Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

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3. It seems that your lack of knowledge extends to logical fallacies as well. I haven't changed what you said into something you didn't say, and then try to argue against what you didn't say... You need to read your own link and actually learn what a strawman argument really is.

He's trying to parrot my constant pointing out of his logical fallacies, but it's clear he's never read the links I provided because he keeps making the same errors of logic and, as you point out, doesn't have a clue what a straw man argument is.

Hank
 
The theory is bunk. That simple.

HOW DOES LYING ABOUT THE THROAT WOUND PROVE CONSPIRACY?

And you can't remember what you posted six pages ago, how is anyone supposed to remember details over 10, 20, 30, or 40 years later with 100% accuracy?

I'd love to see Micah come up with a plausible conspiracy oriented shooting scenario knowing what we know about Kennedy's wounds.

  • One back wound
  • One neck wound
  • One head wound

Seriously Micah, try to invent a conspiracy scenario accounting for those wounds that doesn't include gunmen that nobody saw or multiple bullets vanishing into thin air (magic bullets if you will).
 
Here's what MJ is leaving out.

The autopsy was performed with RFK and members of the Kennedy staff looking on from above, and not in a locked room with only the pathologists and a few observers.

Hank can probably give you a better idea of how many folks were present.

This atmosphere give the autopsy team the feeling of being rushed, and there may have been instructions to be quick (I'm not concerned with the autopsy, so I haven't read through all of the testimonies), but whatever the case the family was in-house waiting for the body to be released, and prepared for internment.

This was a lousy environment for someone trying to fabricate the autopsy findings. However, the situation made for a lot of confusion on the part of the people observing, which is evident in the oral records of the event.
 
For the grownups in the room, the folks at the 6th Floor Museum just posted a video of Karen Westbrook Scranton, an eye-witness to the shooting (she was near the freeway sign wearing a green scarf over her head):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJghyNiPOoU

Key Points:

She heard 3 shots.

Dallas PD searched EVERY FLOOR in the TSBD.

"Researchers" would try to get her to change her story while interviewing her to add more shots.

Great background stories about Oswald eating in the lunchroom.

Other good stuff:

What is was like to work in her office in the TSBD, the layout of the 1st and 2nd floors. The culture inside the building.

Doesn't solve any mysteries, but if you are a history buff it is worth your time.
 
Here's what MJ is leaving out.

The autopsy was performed with RFK and members of the Kennedy staff looking on from above, and not in a locked room with only the pathologists and a few observers.

Hank can probably give you a better idea of how many folks were present.

This atmosphere give the autopsy team the feeling of being rushed, and there may have been instructions to be quick (I'm not concerned with the autopsy, so I haven't read through all of the testimonies), but whatever the case the family was in-house waiting for the body to be released, and prepared for internment.

This was a lousy environment for someone trying to fabricate the autopsy findings. However, the situation made for a lot of confusion on the part of the people observing, which is evident in the oral records of the event.

Axxman, although it would explain a lot about his own assassination, Robert F. Kennedy did not posses the ability to be in two separate locations at once. RFK did not personally witness the autopsy, in the autopsy room.
 
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Axxman, although it would explain a lot about his own assassination, Robert F. Kennedy did not posses the ability to be in two separate locations at once. RFK did not personally witness the autopsy, in the autopsy room.

No, his people did, and he was in the building with Jackie the whole time.

Jackie chose Bethesda for the autopsy.

While we're discussing the back/throat wound it should be pointed out that Humes stated in his AARB deposition that when they removed the breast place from JFK they saw a contusion in the upper lobe of the lung from the back wound, but there was "no defect in the pleura anyplace. So it's obvious the missile had gone over the top of the lung. The more I thought about it, the more I realized it had to go out through the neck."

He discussed it on pages 35 through 36:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=788#relPageId=39&tab=page

On page 60 he talks about how many people were in the room, which he estimates to be 20.

In Dr. Finck's deposition he estimates 26 people.

I'll ask again, how does any of this point to a conspiracy?
 
No, his people did, and he was in the building with Jackie the whole time.

Jackie chose Bethesda for the autopsy.

While we're discussing the back/throat wound it should be pointed out that Humes stated in his AARB deposition that when they removed the breast place from JFK they saw a contusion in the upper lobe of the lung from the back wound, but there was "no defect in the pleura anyplace. So it's obvious the missile had gone over the top of the lung. The more I thought about it, the more I realized it had to go out through the neck."

He discussed it on pages 35 through 36:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=788#relPageId=39&tab=page

On page 60 he talks about how many people were in the room, which he estimates to be 20.

In Dr. Finck's deposition he estimates 26 people.

I'll ask again, how does any of this point to a conspiracy?

You ask, (s)he avoids and runs away to a "job". Then changes the subject to another allegation upon returning. Endless discussion without resolution.
 
No, his people did, and he was in the building with Jackie the whole time.

Jackie chose Bethesda for the autopsy.

While we're discussing the back/throat wound it should be pointed out that Humes stated in his AARB deposition that when they removed the breast place from JFK they saw a contusion in the upper lobe of the lung from the back wound, but there was "no defect in the pleura anyplace. So it's obvious the missile had gone over the top of the lung. The more I thought about it, the more I realized it had to go out through the neck."

He discussed it on pages 35 through 36:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=788#relPageId=39&tab=page

On page 60 he talks about how many people were in the room, which he estimates to be 20.

In Dr. Finck's deposition he estimates 26 people.

I'll ask again, how does any of this point to a conspiracy?

Axxman, quick! I lost my notes and I forgot which autopsy participants reported photographing of a bruise on Kennedy's right lung. Can you tell me which ones said said they photographed the lung? Because those pictures are not in the official collection today.
 
Quick, MicahJava, before you run away from answering again, how many entrance and exit wounds were there to the skull according to the autopsy you keep citing?

LOL, you're still losing. ;)

1. The outward beveling in the bone indicating exit was on the edge of the bone. They did not find a single, unifying small exit wound for a whole bullet.

2. They did not examine the Harper fragment, which has mysteriously vanished with no evidence of the Kennedy family tried to obtain it. Surviving photographs and X-rays of the Harper Fragment show trace amounts of bullet head on the OUTER SURFACE of the bone. This could be evidence of a bullet exiting the right side of the skull on a tangent, "scraping" along the edge of the bone rather than cleanly exiting through it.

3. The human skin found on CE567.

4. The lower neck cavity on the torso x-rays.

5. Wecht's 1974 report which mentions a possible bullet fragment in the neck area on the uncropped X-rays which are unavailable to the public.

6. Tom Robinson told the HSCA and ARRB that the base of the skull was fractured. Robinson was the second-in-command in repairing Kennedy's skull with filler material, behind Edwin Stroble, who died before the HSCA.

7. Dr. Humes told the ARRB that the posterior cranial fossa was fractured.

8. Richard Lipsey told the HSCA that the autopsy pathologists were discussing the large head wound as basically being a tangential wound, with the bullet that entered the EOP exiting the throat, and the back wound not exiting. `

9. A secret service report mentions fragments of "bone and hair" in the backseat of the limousine while it sitting in storage that were never collected into evidence.

10. A wound like this with a lot of missing bone makes it inherantly difficult to find evidence of beveling on what is left on the skull. The missile could have blown out a portion of bone which contained beveling.


11. Other evidence that the autopsy pathologists were not being honest in their subsequent interviews shows that the official shooting is in question.
 
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Axxman, quick! I lost my notes and I forgot which autopsy participants reported photographing of a bruise on Kennedy's right lung. Can you tell me which ones said said they photographed the lung? Because those pictures are not in the official collection today.

What did Dr. Humes say in the link I posted?
 
1. The outward beveling in the bone indicating exit was on the edge of the bone. They did not find a single, unifying small exit wound for a whole bullet.

2. They did not examine the Harper fragment, which has mysteriously vanished with no evidence of the Kennedy family tried to obtain it. Surviving photographs and X-rays of the Harper Fragment show trace amounts of bullet head on the OUTER SURFACE of the bone. This could be evidence of a bullet exiting the right side of the skull on a tangent, "scraping" along the edge of the bone rather than cleanly exiting through it.

The missile fragmented inside the skull...so congratulations on ignoring the obvious results of a large bullet tearing apart at over twice the speed of sound inside brain tissue, and blowing out the top right part of the skull.

Derp.

3. The human skin found on CE567.

Good, that means JFK wasn't a reptilian.

5. Wecht's 1974 report which mentions a possible bullet fragment in the neck area on the uncropped X-rays which are unavailable to the public.

Oh, now they're "uncropped". Plus, Wecht is a CTist.

6. Tom Robinson told the HSCA and ARRB that the base of the skull was fractured. Robinson was the second-in-command in repairing Kennedy's skull with filler material, behind Edwin Stroble, who died before the HSCA.

Where did he get is MD in Pathology?

7. Dr. Humes told the ARRB that the posterior cranial fossa was fractured.

Anyone can see that in the x-rays. Any more obvious facts we need to know?

8. Richard Lipsey told the HSCA that the autopsy pathologists were discussing the large head wound as basically being a tangential wound, with the bullet that entered the EOP exiting the throat, and the back wound not exiting. `

So? They likely discussed a lot of theories as they went along. All that matters is what they wrote in the report.

Lipsey also says Oswald acted alone, probably based on his Army experience at the firing range.

9. A secret service report mentions fragments of "bone and hair" in the backseat of the limousine while it sitting in storage that were never collected into evidence.

If they found them they passed them up the chain.

10. A wound like this with a lot of missing bone makes it inherantly difficult to find evidence of beveling on what is left on the skull. The missile could have blown out a portion of bone which contained beveling.

This is nothing more than CT claptrap nonsense. The head-shot is on film, clear as day. So unless you want to argue that JFK was shot again between the Tripple Overpass and Parkland you've got nothing.

11. Other evidence that the autopsy pathologists were not being honest in their subsequent interviews shows that the official shooting is in question.

No.

CTists are the ones who are not honest. They have unrealistic expectations for the people WHO WERE ACTUALLY THERE to posses super-human capabilities for memory, and have ice water in their veins in the midst of a national human tragedy.

Saying the pathologists are dishonest is a lie, a lie made without proof.

I posted the link to Humes' AARB deposition for the 6th time, and yet you failed to read it. You ask all these stupid questions that can be answered by reading his statements alone, and yet you do not?

Why?
 
Reading MJ's ramblings makes it apparent that MJ does not know what a logical fallacy is since his ramblings are full of those fallacies.

Claiming their opponents are engaging in logical fallacies seems to have become a popular tactic among CT's and woo-peddlers lately. It is usually apparent that they really don't understand the concept of the fallacy that they are citing, and it certainly doesn't seem to have led to any reduction in their own use of logical fallacies.
 
Claiming their opponents are engaging in logical fallacies seems to have become a popular tactic among CT's and woo-peddlers lately. It is usually apparent that they really don't understand the concept of the fallacy that they are citing, and it certainly doesn't seem to have led to any reduction in their own use of logical fallacies.

On the contrary, a couple years of constant arguing on various internet forums have really sharpened my skills to spot a fallacy. The only problem is usually articulating why what someone said is a fallacy, because I often read stuff from other people that's stupid on multiple levels instead of just the one.
 
On the contrary, a couple years of constant arguing on various internet forums have really sharpened my skills to spot a fallacy. The only problem is usually articulating why what someone said is a fallacy, because I often read stuff from other people that's stupid on multiple levels instead of just the one.

MJ, your posts are full of logical fallacies. So it seems that a couple of years has not sharpened your skills.
 
On the contrary, a couple years of constant arguing on various internet forums have really sharpened my skills to spot a fallacy. The only problem is usually articulating why what someone said is a fallacy, because I often read stuff from other people that's stupid on multiple levels instead of just the one.

But you've never argued anything. You make claims that then get destroyed, so you move onto new claims there aren't true, and then restate your first claims as if you never made them.

There is no logic in your claims, only fallacies.

There was only one gunman in Dealey Plaza, Lee Oswald. He fired 3 shots, two striking JFK and Connally.

He did it all by himself.

There was no 2nd shooter using a silencer (LOL).

The autopsy is accurate, in spite of it being conducted in what Humes called "a circus atmosphere".

There were no dark forces, right-wing nor Communist involved, pulling the strings to cover up the truth.
 
There were no dark forces, right-wing nor Communist involved, pulling the strings to cover up the truth.

Yes

Anyone who was 'pulling strings' back then would be dead or extremely elderly - why would they now care?
 
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