Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

[MicahJava]

What is your opinion of the overwhelming evidence for one entry and one exit in the skull and all the shots coming from Oswald's M-C from the sixth floor of the TSBD?

There was a small wound next to Kennedy's EOP. Any wound of entry besides that was created by a separate missile.

 

[RoboTimbo]

There was a small wound next to Kennedy's EOP. Any wound of entry besides that was created by a separate missile.

Did the official evidence you've been citing find another entry wound or another exit wound?

 

[MicahJava]

Did the official evidence you've been citing find another entry wound or another exit wound?

I presume that you believe CE567 is the nose of the bullet that entered the back of Kennedy's skull and exited the top of the head, creating the large defect. Did the bullet break apart as it was traveling through the head? If so, how did CE567 get such a large sampling of human skin lodged near the tip of the outer surface of the nose fragment?

 

[Axxman300]

There was a small wound next to Kennedy's EOP. Any wound of entry besides that was created by a separate missile.

Nope.

Only one shot to the head. It's on film, and there are plenty of eye-witnesses including the autopsy team.

This is the dumbest claim in 54 years.

 

[Axxman300]

I presume that you believe CE567 is the nose of the bullet that entered the back of Kennedy's skull and exited the top of the head, creating the large defect. Did the bullet break apart as it was traveling through the head? If so, how did CE567 get such a large sampling of human skin lodged near the tip of the outer surface of the nose fragment?

Yes, the bullet fragmented inside the head, everyone knows this, there is no mystery. We have most all of those fragments too.

 

[Axxman300]

Turingtest, the Warren Commission was literally run by Allen Dulles, a man who covered up the Nazi concentration camps to protect American business interests. I think your side is the side in question.

Hardly.

No one can point to anything he covered up, and with the FBI, and DPD also continuing their investigations he would have had limited influence.

 

[Axxman300]

The story from the pathologists goes that they couldn't find a beveled exit anywhere near the large defect until the skull fragment shipped from Dallas was fit back in.

The autopsy photographs contradict this story, however. The open-cranium photographs depict a textbook beveled exit on the edge of the large defect.

The pathologists never said anything about an exit wound in the forehead. They claimed they didn't recognize the beveled exit when they were shown the photographs.

The autopsy pathologists never said there was a small, individual hole above the right eyebrow like Michael Chesser and Joe Riley made the case for.

And it's hard to disagree. I mean, the skull bone does appear to be slightly depressed in that area. The autopsy photographs are ambiguous as to showing any hole there, the x-rays are a harder scientific subject.

You have not seen all of the pictures and all of the x-rays so you cannot say what they do or do not show.

 

[abaddon]

Did the official evidence you've been citing find another entry wound or another exit wound?

I presume that you believe CE567 is the nose of the bullet that entered the back of Kennedy's skull and exited the top of the head, creating the large defect. Did the bullet break apart as it was traveling through the head? If so, how did CE567 get such a large sampling of human skin lodged near the tip of the outer surface of the nose fragment?

Answer the question asked.I assume you must have read it since you replied to it.

Since you are citing something, how many entry wounds exist, how many exit wounds.

You must know this, surely.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Turingtest, the Warren Commission was literally run by Allen Dulles, a man who covered up the Nazi concentration camps to protect American business interests. I think your side is the side in question.

This is utterly untrue.

In 1935 Dulles returned from a business trip to Germany appalled by the Nazi treatment of German Jews and, despite his brother's objections, led a movement within the law firm of Sullivan & Cromwell to close their Berlin office. As a result of Dulles' efforts, the Berlin office was closed and the firm ceased to conduct business in Nazi Germany.

Dulles helped a number of German Jews, such as the banker Paul Kemper, escape to the United States from Nazi Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Dulles

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Actually, it's called having a job and a life. I think I post on here plenty for anyone's tastes. I would have to be mentally unwell to respond to literally every BS-fillibuster post in this thread.

This thread would be half the size it is if you answered the numerous questions you keep running away from, and also acknowledged your multiple factual errors and lack of expertise in pretty much every relevant field.

 

[HSienzant]

Hank, Dr. Cummings only argued a single head shot from the EOP based on his interpretation of the skull fracture patterns on the X-rays. He did not weigh in on the trajectory required, pattern of brain damage, fragment dispersal, etc.

He's a forensic pathologist, not a conspiracy theorist. The expert you cited says the bullet hit near the EOP and exited near the forehead. So stop claiming it's impossible.

The point is that he looked at the original X-rays and didn't see an entry hole in the cowlick.

No, the point is your own expert disagrees with you about the impossibility of the path you argue against. That won't change. You claim it can't be done. He says it was done.

You have tried repeating this same exact comment several times and every time I explain the same basic concept that you would've known read the article. There is no way you keep making the same accident.

Back at you. Your own expert disagrees with you. You're done here.

Will you please stop that and instead provide some compelling evidence or arguments for your alternative entry wound location 4-5 inches above the EOP?

No need. I don't have to prove an alternative. Your argument, your burden of proof. You can't have forgotten all the logical fallacies I pointed out you were invoking already, could you?

Hank

 

[HSienzant]

There appears to be a bottleneck on determining what's right and wrong in this country today. Well I just happened to have been an expert on matters concerning bottles. And, drawing on that PHD allows me to state that "ALL BOTTLENECKS ARE AT THE TOP."

He's never seen my ketchup bottle apparently.

Hank

 

[HSienzant]

The story from the pathologists goes that they couldn't find a beveled exit anywhere near the large defect until the skull fragment shipped from Dallas was fit back in.

The autopsy photographs contradict this story, however. The open-cranium photographs depict a textbook beveled exit on the edge of the large defect.

So they did find it then. Thanks for that admission.

The pathologists never said anything about an exit wound in the forehead. They claimed they didn't recognize the beveled exit when they were shown the photographs.

That denial was decades later. Nobody put the exit wound in the forehead. Except sometimes you, when you argue the bullet would have to exit the face.

The autopsy pathologists never said there was a small, individual hole above the right eyebrow like Michael Chesser and Joe Riley made the case for.

They found damage there from a bullet fragment.

And it's hard to disagree. I mean, the skull bone does appear to be slightly depressed in that area. The autopsy photographs are ambiguous as to showing any hole there, the x-rays are a harder scientific subject.

So now you're back to arguing everyone is wrong and MicahJava knows best. We get that with every conspiracy theorist who stops by here.

Seriously, we get that with every conspiracy theorist who stops by here.

You're no different in that regard. You have a different theory than Robert Harris, and a different theory from other CTs, but so what? You all argue with the experts and you all set yourself up as knowing more than the experts. Even to the point where you argue with your own experts and your fellow CTs.

Hank

 

[HSienzant]

Turingtest, the Warren Commission was literally run by Allen Dulles...

According to what biography of Dulles?

Perhaps you might deign to tell us the full name of the Commission, and who it is named after, if you can figure that out?

Hank

 

[MicahJava]

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If it's not a depressed hole in the skull, what is it? Looks more like a wound than anything the cowlickers have brought to the table.

Edited by Loss Leader: 

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[HSienzant]

If it's not a depressed hole in the skull, what is it? Looks more like a wound than anything the cowlickers have brought to the table.

Thanks for your layman's analysis, which will be given all the attention it deserves (none).

You've previously argued the HSCA forensic pathology panel (and forensic pathologists in general) don't know how to read X-rays.

So you're now substituting your layman's opinion for their expert opinion?

Hilarious.

Hank

 

[RoboTimbo]

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Answer the question you quoted and didn't answer:

Did the official evidence you've been citing find another entry or exit wound?

 

[abaddon]

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/7MP45wx.png[/qimg]

If it's not a depressed hole in the skull, what is it? Looks more like a wound than anything the cowlickers have brought to the table.

So no source or chain of evidential source or any damn thing. Close up? If you do not know how bovine that is, then there is little hope for you.

Feel free to share your expertise in X-Ray analysis, because you apparently have none.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Turingtest, the Warren Commission was literally run by Allen Dulles, a man who covered up the Nazi concentration camps to protect American business interests. I think your side is the side in question.

No. You are merely attempting to poison the well by smearing Allen Dulles. Yes, Dulles initially thought Hitler might be good for Europe, on balance. So did Winston Churchill. But both quickly recognized Hitler as the monster he was. And Dulles, along with other high-ranking US officials, recruited some ex-Nazis for the CIA and other agencies after the war, because it was felt that their value in opposing the Soviets outweighed their actions as Nazis. An argument can be made that this was immoral, but you can't use that as an excuse to dismiss the Warren Report.

Further, the following is from a Daily Beast article by James A. Warren:

In the end, and with all due respect for Talbot’s dogged detective work, the case he makes for Dulles’s masterminding the assassination strikes me as far-fetched and highly speculative. Even if one grants the existence of a Dulles-led, malign, and anti-democratic network of “deep power” conspirators—a tall order in and of itself—it’s hard to see why they would see the need to liquidate Kennedy. Contrary to Talbot’s claims, JFK’s policies, foreign or domestic, simply did not pose a dire threat to “deep power” interests. As Columbia historian Alan Brinkley points out, the consensus among historians today is that JFK’s “differences with the hardliners … were mostly tactical not strategic.”

Finally, from a practical standpoint, is it at all plausible that John McCone, the Kennedy-appointed CIA director at the time of the assassination, stood by passively as the retired Dulles waltzed back into CIA headquarters two years after having been fired to spearhead the greatest conspiracy in U.S. history? And if Dulles was behind it all, one wonders why Robert Kennedy pleaded with President Johnson to ask the gentleman spy to serve on the commission to investigate the murder of his beloved brother. Was Bobby in on it, too?​

Fail.

 

[MicahJava]

This information about Allen Dulles I know from David Talbot's Devil's Chessboard. It's not like the book doesn't have a citation chapter, you know. It's an actual work of history.