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Another inaccurate article on assault weapons.

Not really saying much but it's one of thee most accurate anti-gun articles I've seen in a while. I say anti-gun because unless I missed it, the article calls ar-15's "military inspired weapons" or something like that but doesn't say the same about any Mauser type bolt action gun on the market.

But the law had blocked sale of militarized upgrades – ranging from 30-round magazines to flash suppressors and grenade launchers.
All existing guns and mags were not affected by the AWB of 1994.

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA), signed by President George W. Bush, provides gun manufacturers with near-total liability protection for the criminal misuse of their products. "The perception for the gun industry is: 'We can't get sued,'" says Josh Koskoff, a Connecticut attorney who filed a case on behalf of Newtown families. "'We can be as unethical and as wild and aggressive in the marketing as we want.'"
The PLCAA is not absolute protection for the gun industry. The writer of the article could have pointed this out after quoting Koskoff's foolhardy claim.
 
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It isn't that they were around in any certain numbers. It is whether or not the framers considered anything other than muzzle loading weapons like you suggested. I'm suggesting they did know of more technologically advanced weapons as I don't have any reason to believe they had their heads up their asses.

So yes, the 2nd is just crying out for improvement.

Interpretation and application are required for every amendment and every law. That's what courts do.

But speaking of the Second....
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms when serving in the Militia shall not be infringed.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...2c36d2b1245_story.html?utm_term=.e59a485d76aa
 
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Well Yeggster, before you are legally allowed to drive you must pass a test, have insurance and register your vehicle. You won't be allowed to drive if you have certain health problems.
Not when driving on private property. I normally use my guns on private property.

In fact driving is pretty heavily controlled by legislation. So shouldn't the same be done to guns?

Heck, they could even have a registration system like the DMV for guns instead of only being allowed to keep paper records, now wouldn't that be an idea.
Some guns are. https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/national-firearms-act
 
But speaking of the Second....
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms when serving in the Militia shall not be infringed.”
So as long as the Ranb Militia of the USA is well regulated (by me of course) I should be golden? I can see another fix to the 2nd coming up soon. :)
 
Meh, while there are misleading (such as quoting discredited whoppers from Vietnam regarding the extreme lethality of the 5.56 round) it’s more of a selective hit piece. It’s like relying on Zinn’s “a peoples history of the United States “ for a balanced overview of American history.

So a military cartridge is not extremely lethal? Or just not as lethal as some others? If you think a history of the rifle's development and civilian marketing is one-sided, what do you think the other side is?
 
So as long as the Ranb Militia of the USA is well regulated (by me of course) I should be golden? I can see another fix to the 2nd coming up soon. :)

You don't get to form your own. A militia would be defined as an organized state body, like the National Guard or state police.
 
You don't get to form your own. A militia would be defined as an organized state body, like the National Guard or state police.
But then that might mean I can't form my own church or write my own book. Both of those things are regulated in a way or at least not allowed to be absolute.
 
So a military cartridge is not extremely lethal? Or just not as lethal as some others?....
Knowing that a military cartridge ranges from 22lr to 50BMG and up, not as lethal as some others is a very broad term.
 
So a military cartridge is not extremely lethal? Or just not as lethal as some others? If you think a history of the rifle's development and civilian marketing is one-sided, what do you think the other side is?

5.56 NATO is far, far less lethal than many civilian rifle cartridges. There are as many stories, probably more, out there of it's lack of stopping power, than it "blowing people's heads off" etc. There is a long history of military rifles being sold for civilian use, and their ammo being adopted for those purposes (.30-06 for example).
 
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5.56 NATO is far, far less lethal than many civilian rifle cartridges. There are as many stories, probably more, out there of it's lack of stopping power, than it "blowing people's heads off" etc. There is a long history of military rifles being sold for civilian use, and their ammo being adopted for those purposes (.30-06 for example).


So the worst you can say about the article is that the cartridge is not extremely lethal? Fair enough. Let's just call it "lethal enough for government work."
 
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So the worst you can say about the article is that the cartridge is not extremely lethal? Fair enough. Let's just call it "lethal enough for government work."

I'm just saying that the article's description of:
""a heel wound," where "the projectile entered the bottom of the right foot causing the leg to split from the foot to the hip."
... are a bit overblown. The AR15 is not the dirty Harry of rifles.
 
I'm just saying that the article's description of:
""a heel wound," where "the projectile entered the bottom of the right foot causing the leg to split from the foot to the hip."
... are a bit overblown. The AR15 is not the dirty Harry of rifles.


Here's what an emergency room doc says about .223 wounds. I'm not sure it matters much that wounds from some other cartridges could be worse. People aren't shooting up schools and movie theaters with elephant guns.
I was looking at a CT scan of one of the victims of the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, who had been brought to the trauma center during my call shift. The organ looked like an overripe melon smashed by a sledgehammer, with extensive bleeding. How could a gunshot wound have caused this much damage?
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...land-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/
 
Here's what an emergency room doc says about .223 wounds. I'm not sure it matters much that wounds from some other cartridges could be worse. People aren't shooting up schools and movie theaters with elephant guns.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...land-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/

Elephant gun? It's less lethal than almost all other modern rifle cartridges. 303 British fires a bullet 3x as heavy at 85% the velocity. It's far more deadly.

Heres a marine's opinion who served in Fallujah.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...e-223-may-not-be-lethal-enough-for-civilians/
 
The British deployed just a single company during the war I believe, so aware yeah probably, first hand experience, not likely. And while an interesting idea it was problematic. It didn't solve the problem of black powder fouling like the Minnie ball rifle did, it suffered from gas leaks, and it's ROF was still only about 8rpm. The first really successful breach loader was the Dreyse need gun, and even it had some issues.

I posted in haste :) Thanks.
 
You don't get to form your own. A militia would be defined as an organized state body, like the National Guard or state police.

My reading of Federalist 46 tells me that we are already in a well regulated militia.

The object of said militia being to protect us from the National Guard or state police in the event our current government becomes tyrannical.
 
Elephant gun? It's less lethal than almost all other modern rifle cartridges. 303 British fires a bullet 3x as heavy at 85% the velocity. It's far more deadly.

Heres a marine's opinion who served in Fallujah.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...e-223-may-not-be-lethal-enough-for-civilians/

As commenters observed, it's likely that a fighter in a combat zone was wearing body armor. But so what? Is a magazine with 20 or 30 .223 cartridges lethal enough to kill a lot of people? Suppose the Las Vegas shooter had used a more powerful cartridge in a bolt-action deer rifle that held three rounds? Would he have killed as many people? AR15s are a package: lethal high-velocity rounds, long range, rapid rate of fire, high-capacity magazine. This is a military weapon that civilians have no good reason to own -- unless they're crouched in their basements waiting for the revolution.
 
Name one successful drug ban? You know an illegal drug that does not exist now because it was banned by the government?
Unnecessary. Certain drugs are banned in most countries. Banning them means that they can't be sold openly in stores, and anyone caught with them gets in trouble. Certain broad types of firearms can be banned in the same way. Sure, some people might still get hold of them, but they'd be in trouble if caught.
 
I thought that was obvious ... The framers of the constitution intended everyone to own the same types of arms the current military has ...

The IDEA is so they can overthrow the government AGAIN, if it become necessary.

Well, that pretty much proves that said framers could not conceive of future weapons development, given that the modern military has hardware that will literally drive over a few civilians with small arms.
 

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