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Yeggster said:
I posted much easier in this thread how our "Canadian Style gun laws" would have had NO effect on this Florida shooting, and that is assuming the shooter wanted to only use a .223 semi auto rifle.
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Can you explain why? I'm reading that any semi-auto rifle is "restricted" which means that it can be owned after registration. I would assume that would include some sort of investigation on the mental state of the owner, and any cursory one would red flagged this guy immediately. But I don't pretend to be an expert on Canadian gun law.
 
MikeG said:
I'm just going to ask you to back that up. It gets tiresome repeatedly indicating that the point you are making is utterly wrong. So, it's your claim that there is a de facto weapons ban here. Where's your evidence? You might want to answer in the appropriate thread.
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Less than 2% of England and Wales residents own a firearm (mostly shotguns). 20-30% of Americans own guns, mostly not shotguns. When you live in 20% land, 2% sure feels like a de facto ban.
 
Want to argue bullets didn't go through walls? Read this:

What I Saw Treating the Victims From Parkland Should Change the Debate on Guns
I was looking at a CT scan of one of the victims of the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, who had been brought to the trauma center during my call shift. The organ looked like an overripe melon smashed by a sledgehammer, with extensive bleeding. How could a gunshot wound have caused this much damage?

The reaction in the emergency room was the same. One of the trauma surgeons opened a young victim in the operating room, and found only shreds of the organ that had been hit by a bullet from an AR-15, a semi-automatic rifle which delivers a devastatingly lethal, high-velocity bullet to the victim. There was nothing left to repair, and utterly, devastatingly, nothing that could be done to fix the problem. The injury was fatal.
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I'm seeing a few ideas being thrown around as things that could get a meaningful level of bipartisan support:

1. Raise the age for being able to purchase rifles to 21
2. Clone or adapt the GVRO system currently being used in California
3. Improve the background check system

I'd imagine that all three of these (especially the last two) enjoy significant bipartisan support among voters. I'm guessing politicians will still manage to screw them up somehow.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Less than 2% of England and Wales residents own a firearm (mostly shotguns). 20-30% of Americans own guns, mostly not shotguns. When you live in 20% land, 2% sure feels like a de facto ban.
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Only if you want it to. Probably 75% of the population (figure plucked out of the air) could own a gun if they wanted to. The point is, Brits don't typically aspire to owning guns. They're only normal in rural communities where dealing with rats, rabbits and pigeons is an every day issue, and where shooting birds (bred specially for the purpose) is a near universal sport. We don't have a gun culture. You do. That's the difference.
 
MikeG said:
I'm sure you're doing this for irony and effect. If you're not, well.......take a deep breath.
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It was intended, but maybe I'm too miffed for such a demonstration to be effective. :(


It's just hard. I am taking this opportunity to clearly state that my own position on gun control has changed substantially over the past few years. I have had enough of these horrifying incidents. I would support just about any level of regulation necessary for real, empirical change to take place.

Sorry to anyone who thinks I'm less cool now, but yeah, not sorry. This is one of the biggest shifts in perspective I have ever personally experienced. And feeling the way I do, and knowing many other people who feel basically the way I do, just makes being lumped in with "backwoods, gun-crazy Murkins" all the more stinging.

So what do I do with this newfound position of mine? I can't go lobby and protest - I have a *********** job. That job doesn't pay very well, so I've got nothing to contribute financially to any lobbyist groups or activism. I vote, nobody listens, because I'm surrounded by Pennsatucky on all sides. It's like farting into the wind.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Less than 2% of England and Wales residents own a firearm (mostly shotguns). 20-30% of Americans own guns, mostly not shotguns. When you live in 20% land, 2% sure feels like a de facto ban.
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Or, only 2% want to own them?

98% of people in the UK don't even think about owning a gun.

They are seen as sporting items in the UK, most people don't want to participate.
 
Wayne LaPierre says the right to bear arms is "not bestowed by man but granted by God to all Americans as our American birthright."
 
isissxn said:
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So what do I do with this newfound position of mine? I can't go lobby and protest - I have a *********** job. That job doesn't pay very well, so I've got nothing to contribute financially to any lobbyist groups or activism. I vote, nobody listens, because I'm surrounded by Pennsatucky on all sides. It's like farting into the wind.
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Actually you know exactly what to do. You get on line and advocate sensibly and with humour, and persuade some of your friends to change their views a little. You make a reasoned argument about it when people discuss it face to face. You get a few people to at least consider something they might not have considered before. That's all. It's how revolutions happen.
 
MikeG said:
Only if you want it to. Probably 75% of the population (figure plucked out of the air) could own a gun if they wanted to. The point is, Brits don't typically aspire to owning guns. They're only normal in rural communities where dealing with rats, rabbits and pigeons is an every day issue, and where shooting birds (bred specially for the purpose) is a near universal sport. We don't have a gun culture. You do. That's the difference.
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Target shooting is popular but is mostly Air Rifle or .22 single shot target rifles.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Or, only 2% want to own them?

98% of people in the UK don't even think about owning a gun.

They are seen as sporting items in the UK, most people don't want to participate.
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BobTheCoward said:
Do the laws affect gun ownership rates?
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No. If you want one you can get one, cheaply and easily.

Most people don't really have an urge to shoot things, and those who do probably have one.

As has been mentioned upthread (probably numerous times, in this and other threads) shooting here is basically either hunting or sport. For that it's easy to get a firearm, either rifle or shotgun. What we don't need or particularly want, are pistols to shoot people. Because other people don't generally have pistols to shoot us.

It's a simple solution, and works pretty well.
 
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