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CNN: Dreamers will leave the US if DACA falls through

theprestige said:
Probably the citizens that elect its government and enforce its borders would disagree.
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I believe in the Constitution and law.

The original question I replied to wondered why one would choose to remain in a country that one didn't like, similar to the moronic "America: Love It or Leave It."

Some people, despite whatever current government, love their country, consider it their home, and try to change it.

I'm sure many people of any political persuasion feel this way.
 
Checkmite said:
Evidently you failed to completely read the article, because it's fairly apparent that the (one) Dreamer making the statement is not "threatening" anything, but simply acknowledging the fact that they will have to leave one way or another, and that they would prefer to do it voluntarily rather than live in fear until the day the Gestapo arrest them for not having papers whereupon they'll have to spend an indefinite and miserable amount of time imprisoned before being deported to some place not of their choosing and almost certainly without any assets.
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Haha oh wow.

Enforcing immigration law--something every nation does, and Canada and Mexico both stricter than the US--is now the same as being a Nazi.

Why should any citizen take your arguments seriously?
 
theprestige said:
Haha oh wow.

Enforcing immigration law--something every nation does, and Canada and Mexico both stricter than the US--is now the same as being a Nazi.

Why should any citizen take your arguments seriously?
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Because they understand hyperbole and are not simply desperately trying to dismiss the argument.
 
The Big Dog said:
Actually my interpretation was that you had completely failed to read the article.

They are not being thrown out, they are threatening to voluntarily leave.

So... yeah
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Checkmite said:
Evidently you failed to completely read the article, because it's fairly apparent that the (one) Dreamer making the statement is not "threatening" anything, but simply acknowledging the fact that they will have to leave one way or another, and that they would prefer to do it voluntarily rather than live in fear until the day the Gestapo arrest them for not having papers whereupon they'll have to spend an indefinite and miserable amount of time imprisoned before being deported to some place not of their choosing and almost certainly without any assets.
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Taking out all the hysterical hyperbole shows you agreed with me.

Cool Godwin tho.
 
My suggestion for a compromise:

4 year military enlistment/commission = citizenship upon honorable discharge.

Everyone wins.
 
theprestige said:
The argument is that INS is equivalent to the Nazi political police. Are you *not* desperate to dismiss it?
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It is not the argument. You pick out the 'Gestapo' reference and focus on that and not literally the main point explaining why some would chose to leave rather than wait to be deported.

You're laying with dogs and getting fleas.
 
Pterodactyl said:
My suggestion for a compromise:

4 year military enlistment/commission = citizenship upon honorable discharge.

Everyone wins.
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Besides those who can't enlist or those who would have to leave productive jobs they already have (and their employers lose there too).
 
tyr_13 said:
Besides those who can't enlist or those who would have to leave productive jobs they already have (and their employers lose there too).
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Im not advising as the only solution, but it's the type of thing most people could get behind.



Bad knees? Back to guatemala.
 
The Big Dog said:
Taking out all the hysterical hyperbole shows you agreed with me.

Cool Godwin tho.
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At least you've downgraded your hyperbolic "threatening" to "voluntary."

Yes, they would rather leave voluntarily, rather than being arrested and deported. Makes perfectly logical sense.

Some people, including myself, object to the notion that children raised here, educated here, and a member of the US (IMO) should be deported to nations they barely remember.

Your contrary opinion is of course valid. But when one uses phrases like "Bye, Felicia!', it's somewhat laughable when that person also notes Godwinning.

Somewhat cringeworthy lack of self-awareness.
 
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tyr_13 said:
It is not the argument. You pick out the 'Gestapo' reference and focus on that and not literally the main point explaining why some would chose to leave rather than wait to be deported.

You're laying with dogs and getting fleas.
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I know right? How dare he quote the post.

Quoting someone’s Post is 8 times worse than Hitler.

Good catch
 
TheGoldcountry said:
At least you've downgraded your hyperbolic "threatening" to "voluntary."

Yes, they would rather leave voluntarily, rather than being arrested and deported. Makes perfectly logical sense.

Some people, including myself, object to the notion that children raised here, educated here, and a member of the US (IMO) should be deported to nations they barely remember.

Your contrary opinion is of course valid. But when one uses phrases like "Bye, Felicia!', it's somewhat laughable when that person also notes Godwinning.

Somewhat cringeworthy lack of self-awareness.
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That sound was the point flying over head. I said that the mopes in the CNN piece were “threatening” to “voluntarily” leave.

Although I cannot hide my glee at that you compared “Bye Felicia” to the “Gestapo.”

Hey Felicia..

Bye, bye, bye
Bye, bye...
Bye, bye...
Oh, oh.
 
The Big Dog said:
Hitler.

Good catch
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Thank you for agreeing with me. Now that you recognize the fallacious and intellectually dishonest way you've been engaging in the discussion, you can start to change it. Such growth takes character and courage. Congratulations.
 
tyr_13 said:
Thank you for agreeing with me. Now that you recognize the fallacious and intellectually dishonest way you've been engaging in the discussion, you can start to change it. Such growth takes character and courage. Congratulations.
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That is a holocaust level missing the point.
 
The Big Dog said:
That sound was the point flying over head. I said that the mopes in the CNN piece were “threatening” to “voluntarily” leave.

Although I cannot hide my glee at that you compared “Bye Felicia” to the “Gestapo.”
Hey Felicia..

Bye, bye, bye
Bye, bye...
Bye, bye...
Oh, oh.
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I wasn't comparing the level of hyperbole- both "Gestapo" and "Bye Felicia" are hyperbolic and distracting from the topic.

I was pointing out the hypocrisy (already pointed out by others) of not only engaging in the same activity as others, but also focusing on one word, while conveniently ignoring the substance of the post.

Not that this is anything new.
 
TheGoldcountry said:
I wasn't comparing the level of hyperbole- both "Gestapo" and "Bye Felicia" are hyperbolic and distracting from the topic.

I was pointing out the hypocrisy (already pointed out by others) of not only engaging in the same activity as others, but also focusing on one word, while conveniently ignoring the substance of the post.

Not that this is anything new.
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Bye Felicia is not hyperbolic, not in the slightest. It is a “dismissive kiss off “

But yeah we’ll totally stop pointing out that the thread was godwinned
 
I don't understand the obvious glee from the Trumpists in this thread about kicking out the Dreamers. Can it be interpreted as anything other than casual racism?

I mean, we already know they are at least ok with racism, given that they support Trump, but it's kind of harrowing to see it becoming more open like this.
 
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