Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

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Those corner apartments across the road are SO San Francisco!!!

You live in the Bay Area?

I'm a local.

The're all houses, all way over a million in today's market and you have to have a security gate. Anything parked in the street is fair game. Even the folks that leave their car unlocked get a broken window from the post-felony charge car burglars:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/a...-ins-at-record-levels-police-try-12464043.php

Vehicle break-ins have continued to soar this year in San Francisco, on top of already epidemic numbers, despite recent efforts by police to stop such crimes with more officers on the street.

Auto break-ins were up in every police district from the start of the year through the end of November, accounting for a 26 percent increase over the same period last year, according to the most recent data provided by the San Francisco Police Department.

At the same time, the rate of arrests for auto break-ins has dropped since last year from just below 2 percent to 1.6 percent.

From Jan. 1 to the end of November, San Francisco had 28,395 auto break-ins — about 85 a day — and already more than in any previous full year. The hardest-hit area was the Mission District, where car break-ins have gone up 86 percent from last year.


I'm next door to the Mission
 
I'm a local.

The're all houses, all way over a million in today's market and you have to have a security gate. Anything parked in the street is fair game. Even the folks that leave their car unlocked get a broken window from the post-felony charge car burglars:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/a...-ins-at-record-levels-police-try-12464043.php

Vehicle break-ins have continued to soar this year in San Francisco, on top of already epidemic numbers, despite recent efforts by police to stop such crimes with more officers on the street.

Auto break-ins were up in every police district from the start of the year through the end of November, accounting for a 26 percent increase over the same period last year, according to the most recent data provided by the San Francisco Police Department.

At the same time, the rate of arrests for auto break-ins has dropped since last year from just below 2 percent to 1.6 percent.

From Jan. 1 to the end of November, San Francisco had 28,395 auto break-ins — about 85 a day — and already more than in any previous full year. The hardest-hit area was the Mission District, where car break-ins have gone up 86 percent from last year.


I'm next door to the Mission

Well, I would have guessed Bernal Heights
 
Potrero Hill.

Oh, that's not far from Laurel Heights where I used to spend weekends while I was on a six month exchange as ground crew on P3B Orions with VP31 at Moffat NAS in the mid 1980s.

I stayed there with a family - the father was a civilian who worked at The Presidio when it was still US Army.
 
Oh, that's not far from Laurel Heights where I used to spend weekends while I was on a six month exchange as ground crew on P3B Orions with VP31 at Moffat NAS in the mid 1980s.

I stayed there with a family - the father was a civilian who worked at The Presidio when it was still US Army.

You might recognize this, view from a B17 radio canopy leaving Moffat:

9NU0Jr.jpg


Bombardier seat over the east bay:

Giktu7.jpg
 
You might recognize this, view from a B17 radio canopy leaving Moffat:

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Bombardier seat over the east bay:

[qimg]https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/922/Giktu7.jpg[/qimg]

Ooh yes, the memories come flooding back. However, that looks like it was after NASA Ames took over Moffat Field
 
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Well, we're all just waiting now that MicahJava has run away from the hard questions (again).

There should be a new fringe reset any day now!
 
Ooh yes, the memories come flooding back. However, that looks like it was after NASA Ames took over Moffat Field

Correct. That was back in the 2000's and Moffat was pretty much closed, but CTists would have had there attention drawn to BLACK C-130's parked where they could not be observed from the grounds...

The 17 we flew in was the Collings Foundation 9-0-9 B17G.
 
Well, we're all just waiting now that MicahJava has run away from the hard questions (again).

There should be a new fringe reset any day now!

He's going through his CT library and scanning CT websites for the usual canned responses attempting to counter us without dealing in actual fact.

The sad/hilarious thing is that in that last National Archives dump there is a memo he could use to breath life into his 2nd bullet to the head theory. I'm not going to detail it because the source of the memo is wrong, but the point is that if he did real research he would have found it by now.
 
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He's going through his CT library and scanning CT websites for the usual canned responses attempting to counter us without dealing in actual fact.

The sad/hilarious thing is that in that last National Archives dump there is a memo he could use to breath life into his 2nd bullet to the head theory. I'm not going to detail it because the source of the memo is wrong, but the point is that if he did real research he would have found it by now.
Nope. The really sad thing is that MJ has revealed himself as a believer in whatever the next CT is. In this thread we have the JFK conspiracy. In the 911 thread, we have a 911 conspiracy, in the OK thread we have an OK conspiracy.

I await the moon landing conspiracy, the immunisation conspiracy, MLK, RFK, etc. Eventually, MJ will endorse all of them.
 
He's going through his CT library and scanning CT websites for the usual canned responses attempting to counter us without dealing in actual fact.

The sad/hilarious thing is that in that last National Archives dump there is a memo he could use to breath life into his 2nd bullet to the head theory. I'm not going to detail it because the source of the memo is wrong, but the point is that if he did real research he would have found it by now.

When the word "Research" is brought up with certain CTists, I believe the below may be the involuntary reaction:



Research!
 
Nope. The really sad thing is that MJ has revealed himself as a believer in whatever the next CT is. In this thread we have the JFK conspiracy. In the 911 thread, we have a 911 conspiracy, in the OK thread we have an OK conspiracy.

I await the moon landing conspiracy, the immunisation conspiracy, MLK, RFK, etc. Eventually, MJ will endorse all of them.

He came into the CT world through the OKC Bombing, but even his theory on this isn't clear as he claims it was a Right-Wing conspiracy, which it actually was, but he want's it to go beyond McVeigh and Nichols. He needs to link it to the government, but he has never articulated why.

OKC lead to JFK, and you could tell he was green because he would latch onto theories that had been killed in the 1970's, and 80's. The silencer nonsense breathed new life into his pet theory, even though we had just soundly beaten it's latest proponent here a few weeks before. He has tried to forward his theory, which involves as many as 4 gunmen in Dealey Plaza, but quickly backed off when it was clear this was impossible, and since has not stated a theory. He knows it will not hold up on the multiple levels that a CT involving even a second gunman would require.

He's dabbled with 9-11 a few times, but can't make up his mind about any of it.

MJ is looking for a CT to believe in, it's part of his identity. Last year he was offended when I compared him to the Bigfoot/UFO crowd. This implies that he needs to feel superior, but refuses to do any real work.

I used to be a JFK-CT nutjob, and this is why I was happy to jump into the National Archives JFK document dump. I was hoping to find material about the Cuban paramilitary cells in Dallas/Ft Worth, but there was nothing in there that was new. That means that either nobody at the FBI looked, or they never recorded their investigation(doubtful). It would have been great to find just a whisper that LHO was affiliated with X-Cuban Exile Cell because it would be an interesting place to build a functional CT upon. You know, Oswald hoping to get into Cuba kills JFK to cement his Communist Revolutionary status.

Unfortunately I can only go where the evidence leads, and while the document dump is a fascinating glimpse into CIA and FBI Cold War operations, strategies, and mind-set the fact is that Lee Oswald acted alone. That's what the evidence proves. No other gunmen, no shadowy Cubans, no Soviets, just a sad sack with USMC rifle training, and a weapon which is as much a portable canon as it is a firearm, and the best seat in the house to kill JFK.

While the facts are solid, I am still open to the idea that at the very least one other person knew what Oswald was going to do. I'm not talking some vast CT, but a simple case of some guy who never thought Oswald was serious. But until there are new facts dug up, I'm cool with him acting alone.
 
He came into the CT world through the OKC Bombing, but even his theory on this isn't clear as he claims it was a Right-Wing conspiracy, which it actually was, but he want's it to go beyond McVeigh and Nichols. He needs to link it to the government, but he has never articulated why.

OKC lead to JFK, and you could tell he was green because he would latch onto theories that had been killed in the 1970's, and 80's. The silencer nonsense breathed new life into his pet theory, even though we had just soundly beaten it's latest proponent here a few weeks before. He has tried to forward his theory, which involves as many as 4 gunmen in Dealey Plaza, but quickly backed off when it was clear this was impossible, and since has not stated a theory. He knows it will not hold up on the multiple levels that a CT involving even a second gunman would require.

He's dabbled with 9-11 a few times, but can't make up his mind about any of it.

MJ is looking for a CT to believe in, it's part of his identity. Last year he was offended when I compared him to the Bigfoot/UFO crowd. This implies that he needs to feel superior, but refuses to do any real work.

I used to be a JFK-CT nutjob, and this is why I was happy to jump into the National Archives JFK document dump. I was hoping to find material about the Cuban paramilitary cells in Dallas/Ft Worth, but there was nothing in there that was new. That means that either nobody at the FBI looked, or they never recorded their investigation(doubtful). It would have been great to find just a whisper that LHO was affiliated with X-Cuban Exile Cell because it would be an interesting place to build a functional CT upon. You know, Oswald hoping to get into Cuba kills JFK to cement his Communist Revolutionary status.

Unfortunately I can only go where the evidence leads, and while the document dump is a fascinating glimpse into CIA and FBI Cold War operations, strategies, and mind-set the fact is that Lee Oswald acted alone. That's what the evidence proves. No other gunmen, no shadowy Cubans, no Soviets, just a sad sack with USMC rifle training, and a weapon which is as much a portable canon as it is a firearm, and the best seat in the house to kill JFK.

While the facts are solid, I am still open to the idea that at the very least one other person knew what Oswald was going to do. I'm not talking some vast CT, but a simple case of some guy who never thought Oswald was serious. But until there are new facts dug up, I'm cool with him acting alone.

Axxman, I will not post mentioning OKC again in this thread, but let me point you towards the facts behind a man named Richard Wayne Snell:http://okbomb.wikia.com/wiki/Richard_Wayne_Snell

I believe that this man is one of the only confirmed additional conspirators in the bombing.
 
Of course there is also the issue of MJ's other claim that the shots from the grassy knoll were carried out using a silencer so that nobody could hear them anyway.

I think you need glasses. I only said that the perceived loud noise from the direction of the grassy knoll must be explained somehow. As the HSCA acoustics earwitness experiment has shown, it is very unlikely that a Carcano shooting from the Sixth Floor can account for that.

The sound on the grassy knoll could be explained while still only having rear shots, for one thing. Noise-suppressors in conjunction with supersonic ammunition have been reported to create the illusion that a gunshot originated from the opposite direction.
 
Well, we're all just waiting now that MicahJava has run away from the hard questions (again).

There should be a new fringe reset any day now!

I didn't find anything compelling about the comments here from the last couple of days. You can't get away with stating something without basis because you put it in a long rambling wall of text.
 
the HSCA acoustics earwitness experiment has shown, it is very unlikely that a Carcano shooting from the Sixth Floor can account for that.

I refer you to this post

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12178069&postcount=119

In which I CLEARLY showed that the HSCA acoustics earwitness experiment did in fact yield results in which the test subjects mistook shots on from the TSBD as coming from the Grassy Knoll, and vice versa on 14 out of 57 occasions

You do yourself no favours by blatantly lying about this, or pretending that these results don't exist. Doing so makes you look like a fool, and undermines what little credibility you have.
 
I didn't find anything compelling about the comments here from the last couple of days. You can't get away with stating something without basis because you put it in a long rambling wall of text.

You have plenty of questions that you have failed to answer (and have run away from) and that have remained unanswered for the last couple of months!. How about you answer those, or are you afraid to do so?
 
I think you need glasses. I only said that the perceived loud noise from the direction of the grassy knoll must be explained somehow. As the HSCA acoustics earwitness experiment has shown, it is very unlikely that a Carcano shooting from the Sixth Floor can account for that.

The sound on the grassy knoll could be explained while still only having rear shots, for one thing. Noise-suppressors in conjunction with supersonic ammunition have been reported to create the illusion that a gunshot originated from the opposite direction.

There is nothing that warrants the additional layers of complications.

The sounds “on the grassy knoll” can be explained by witness confusion and echoes, from Oswald’s shots.

As you consistently fail to supply any compelling evidence beyond your own conviction, of any other gunshots having to be accounted for, your theories of silencers and snipers may as well be about pixies and ghosts.
 
I didn't find anything compelling about the comments here from the last couple of days.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12177710&postcount=94
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12177960&postcount=104
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12178128&postcount=127



You can't get away with stating something without basis because you put it in a long rambling wall of text.

Begging the question is still a LOGICAL FALLACY. You need to show it's without basis and rambling, not just assert it is.

We'll apparently wait forever for you to back up your assertions.

Because you can't.

You don't get to just dismiss the posts that point out the apparent gaps in your reasoning and your facts. That's just you doing your hand-waving again. As I pointed out previously, you're still resorting to a fringe reset, bringing up the same points over and over (as you did in March 2017 and October 2017 for the issue of the Grassy Knoll witnesses) and ignoring all the rebuttal arguments made back then and again more recently as cited above.

Hank

PS: The above posts are just on the topic of the supposed grassy knoll witnesses. There are other posts you either ignored entirely or didn't address the issue raised on other subjects as well, in this new thread of JUST FOUR PAGES alone.
Like:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12174857&postcount=47
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12174857&postcount=54
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12174857&postcount=61
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12174857&postcount=64

If we go back to the old thread, well, your ignoring of points is just too numerous to mention.
 
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