Brexit: Now What? Part IV

[Andy_Ross]

So if I understand well the content on this documents the UK government wants to leave the EU but still keeping all its advantages with respect to international trade. And hope that the 100+ countries which have signed 700+ agreements with the EU will continue to apply them to the UK after March 2019

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...ents_in_the_Implementation_Period_-_CLEAN.pdf

That seems to be the plan.

 

[Amazer]

Well it would be a good idea to first decide on what they want. And ensure that the goals are not mutually incompatible

And risk splitting the party?

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[Andy_Ross]

Well it would be a good idea to first decide on what they want. And ensure that the goals are not mutually incompatible

They will do whatever a handful of MPs from Northern Ireland will allow.

 

[jimbob]

They will do whatever a handful of MPs from Northern Ireland will allow.

The Today Programme made me feel all nostalgic* for the 1980s when I heard Ian Paisley talking about "noy surrender"


*Because Northern Ireland in the 1980's was far better than after the Good Friday Agreement

 

[jimbob]

From Badsscience

And back to reality:

“Brexit is a defining moment in the history of our nation,” a source in May’s office said.

Other similar defining moments in the history of a nation being Imperial China's destruction of it's trading fleet, Scotland's Darien Scheme and the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour.

Foreign minister Boris Johnson, a leading Brexit advocate, will begin the ‘Road to Brexit’ series with a speech on Wednesday, described by May’s office as a “rallying cry to those on both sides of the Brexit debate.”

Well I for one welcome Johnson's occasional and immaculately well-considered interventions in the Brexit Debate, I'm sure his trademark combination of obscure Classical allusions, random Latin phrases and casually racist non-sequiters will bring much needed clarity and unity to the debate.

 

[Andy_Ross]

According to the Express May's 'vision' is going to knock out the EU bullies and make Britain a beacon of genuine world wide free trade.

 

[jimbob]

According to the Express May's 'vision' is going to knock out the EU bullies and make Britain a beacon of genuine world wide free trade.

I suppose Brexit has pushed Diana off the front page of the Express, so it's not all bad.

 

[ddt]

LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Theresa May will make two speeches on Brexit in the coming weeks to provide more details setting out the country’s path to leaving the European Union.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...1b8d&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

That's good. When she has done that we can trigger Article 50.

I'm confident those speeches will be as clear on her vision and strategy as her Florence speech was.

 

[jimbob]

I'm confident those speeches will be as clear on her vision and strategy as her Florence speech was.

I agree, and applaud the precision in your use of language.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

I agree, and applaud the precision in your use of language.

Once she announces that she wants a strong and stable, red, white and blue Brexit that means Brexit everyone will know exactly what our strategy is and no-one will have any excuse to not support her. That'll teach those cheese eating sausage munchers!

 

[ponderingturtle]

That should hardly be a shock to anyone unless the EU was willing to completely abandon the four freedoms or Ireland was willing to leave the EU (or I suppose there's a united Ireland or an independent NI joins the EU - neither of which would be acceptable to the DUP).

In any case, WTO rules stipulate that the UK and EU would have to be in a customs union for there to be an open border (if there is no hard border between NI and the rest of the UK) and NI and EU in a customs union (if there is a hard border between NI and the rest of the UK).

An open NI/Ireland border is fundamentally incompatible with the UK separating itself from the EU to the extent proposed by the hard-Brexiteers

But Brexit means Brexit and the people voted for that, why are they so focused now on undermining democracy just to keep an open border in Ireland, does Brexit mean nothing!

 

[Andy_Ross]

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...essor-to-land-rover-defender?CMP=share_btn_tw

Jim Ratcliffe, the multibillionaire chemicals tycoon and Brexit supporter, has handed a contract to create a “British” successor to the Land Rover Defender to a company in Germany.

Ineos said Stuttgart-based engineering firm MBtech will “take the initial design concepts through to a fully engineered vehicle … followed by prototypes” produced in 2018 in Germany.

The company said it was evaluating a number of options for full-scale production of the vehicle in the UK and abroad. “Our preference is for a UK location, but the choice must be about head as well as heart,” a spokesperson said.

 

[3point14]

Do we yet know what May said to the Japanese motor manufacturers to stop them shutting down all the UK plants?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Have a lot of money?

 

[3point14]

Have a lot of money?

That's terribly unoriginal, isn't that what she said to the DUP?

I wish I was politically useful to Ms May, it seems there's some sort of connection between that and access to the treasury pot.

 

[Amazer]

Did anyone bother watching Boris?

I watched some of it myself but still struggling to find anything resembling a plan. Or to find anything unifying...

It would seem that the UK government still hasn't got a coherent, unified strategy and they're just stalling.

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[Greebo]

Did anyone bother watching Boris?

I watched some of it myself but still struggling to find anything resembling a plan. Or to find anything unifying...

It would seem that the UK government still hasn't got a coherent, unified strategy and they're just stalling.

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Only saw the highlights on the news last night. A lot of words used, not a lot said - Boris to a T then.

 

[GlennB]

Did anyone bother watching Boris?

I watched some of it myself but still struggling to find anything resembling a plan. Or to find anything unifying...

It would seem that the UK government still hasn't got a coherent, unified strategy and they're just stalling.

Strewth no!

But it seems he used the phrase ‘teleological construction’.

"Listeners might therefore suspect that this was an example, not unheard-of with this speaker, of an attempt to bamboozle the populace with pseudo-erudition."

 

[ponderingturtle]

Did anyone bother watching Boris?

I watched some of it myself but still struggling to find anything resembling a plan. Or to find anything unifying...

It would seem that the UK government still hasn't got a coherent, unified strategy and they're just stalling.

But you have to then blame it on the EU, for not giving them a plan to start with. I mean you are not supposed to know what you are even trying for before you start negotiations right?

It just seems like the EU could conceed to all the UK's demands and we wouldn't be any farther because the UK hasn't even decided what it wants the end goal to look like.

 

[Amazer]

But you have to then blame it on the EU, for not giving them a plan to start with. I mean you are not supposed to know what you are even trying for before you start negotiations right?

To be fair, the EU have provided templates for several plans. But as usual the UK knows very well what it doesn't want... but is all over the place when it comes to deciding what it does want (except of have cake, eat cake).

It just seems like the EU could conceed to all the UK's demands and we wouldn't be any farther because the UK hasn't even decided what it wants the end goal to look like.

Indeed... it's rather baffling that a nation like the UK has come to this. But then, 2016 onwards has been a real eye opener with regard to how well developed western countries really are. We haven't come as far as I presumed we had.