Merged Jeffrey MacDonald did it. He really did.

[Henri McPhee]

JTF is saying there is no forensic evidence of intruders, which is not true anyway. In some of these murder cases there are no forensics at all. The discovery of DNA has been useful in that regard.

The 4th Circuit judges should read this article which proves MacDonald fell unconscious, with hard documentary evidence, whatever Byn and B. Strong say about the matter of him supposedly never being unconscious:

https://www.crimetraveller.org/2017...ain-jeffrey-macdonald-a-critique-of-the-case/

The defense had no explanation to give to the jurors. But again, found in documents released through the Freedom of Information Act, years after the trial, a handwritten report made by CID agent Robert Shaw early on the murder morning of February 17, 1970 contradicts this lack of finding. He had written, "in the west entrance to the hallway on the floor- near the south wall, just a pile laying there." By the time the CID laboratory technicians got around to processing the hallway and collecting the debris, three days had passed. There were now, no blue pajama fibers on the floor, where Shaw had earlier seen them.........

Regardless, Shaw's handwritten note remains a testament to the existence of a pile of blue pajama threads, left where MacDonald said he had lain unconscious (a pile in the exact spot).

 

[desmirelle]

I hate to break it to the only person supporting Family Annihilator Macdonald that it is MEDICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for Macmurderer to retain a memory of the events immediately preceding the moment of unconsciousness due to the way human short term memory is processed, formed, and stored. (Short term memory will go to long term memory after it has been stored.) Medical fact. For all humans. (Except for those who cannot form new memories due to the fact that they can no longer form short term memories.)

 

[BStrong]

JTF is saying there is no forensic evidence of intruders, which is not true anyway. In some of these murder cases there are no forensics at all. The discovery of DNA has been useful in that regard.

The 4th Circuit judges should read this article which proves MacDonald fell unconscious, with hard documentary evidence, whatever Byn and B. Strong say about the matter of him supposedly never being unconscious:

https://www.crimetraveller.org/2017...ain-jeffrey-macdonald-a-critique-of-the-case/

Blue fibers prove unconsciousness?

That's an interesting pov. Maybe you should review what the eating utensils have to say about what they witnessed.

Start with the spoons. They seem to stick together.

 

[JTF]

You Can Run, But You Can't Hide

HENRIBOY: For the past 15 years, you've refused to accept the challenge and the reason for your cowardice is crystal clear. There is simply no court decision and/or lab document that proves the existence of a conspiracy and/or sources a SPECIFIC hippie home invader to the crime scene.

Again, please provide this thread with the following...

1) A decision by a District Court Judge and/or Appellate Court Judge that concludes that a CID and/or FBI agent committed perjury in this case.

2) A decision by a 4th Circuit Court Judge and/or United States Supreme Court Judge that concludes that Judge Dupree and/or Judge Fox did not provide inmate with a fair trial and/or evidentiary hearing.

3) A lab document that concludes that a fiber was a microscopic match and/or matched the chemical composition of clothing worn by a known intruder suspect.

4) A lab document that concludes that a hair was a microscopic match and/or matched the DNA profile of a known intruder suspect.

5) A lab document that concludes that a fingerprint, palmprint, or footprint matched a print exemplar from a known intruder suspect.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

 

[Henri McPhee]

There are lab documents which indicate that intruders were involved. For a start there were black wool fibers with no known source around Colette's mouth and biceps, and on the wooden club murder weapon. There was the blonde synthetic hair-like fibers with no known source, and the surgical glove fragment which did not come from a MacDonald glove, and a match found when the MacDonalds did not smoke, and the candle wax which did not come from MacDonald candles. The trouble is none of this forensic evidence came with a name tag attached to it.

This is a quote from a Google forum in 1998 about blood where he fell unconscious. The blood and fibers were conveniently wiped away by the so-called Army CID forensic experts:

Dr. MacDonald was destroyed on the stand by a prosecutor who kept asking why there was no blood where he said he was beaten and stabbed unconscious.
There was, in fact, blood found there. Blood had been found in the hallway
and even a pile of fibers were seen before it was destroyed by investigators
and gawkers.

 

[desmirelle]

Self-deleted

 

[JTF]

The Test Of Time

HENRIBOY: You're a prime example of a coward's ability to talk the talk, but not walk the walk. Here are concrete examples of walking the walk.

Not a single fiber was microscopically sourced to a known intruder suspect, but at least 65 fibers were sourced to inmate's torn pajama top. Notice how I give inmate the benefit of the doubt on fibers that could have been deposited from the crotch of his pajama bottoms? Fibers sourced to his torn pajama top were found on the club, on top of all three beds, under Kristen's fingernail, wrapped around Colette's bloody head hair, on bedding used to transport Colette/Kimmie back to their bedrooms, under Colette's body, and even on inmate's bathrobe.

Not a single hair matched the DNA profile of a known intruder suspect, but inmate's DNA profile matched the profile of hairs found on Kristen's bed, on bedding used to transport Colette/Kimmie back to their bedrooms, and in the palm of Colette's left hand. The latter hair is significant for it was torn, bloody, and located next to a bloody splinter from the club. Prior to DNA testing on the hair, inmate's advocates argued that the source of the hair was the wielder of the club.

This is just a portion of the evidence that led to inmate's conviction and all of the inculpatory evidence in this case has stood the test of time. The same cannot be said for evidentiary arguments put forth by inmate's advocates.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

 

[BStrong]

There are lab documents which indicate that intruders were involved. For a start there were black wool fibers with no known source around Colette's mouth and biceps, and on the wooden club murder weapon. There was the blonde synthetic hair-like fibers with no known source, and the surgical glove fragment which did not come from a MacDonald glove, and a match found when the MacDonalds did not smoke, and the candle wax which did not come from MacDonald candles. The trouble is none of this forensic evidence came with a name tag attached to it.

This is a quote from a Google forum in 1998 about blood where he fell unconscious. The blood and fibers were conveniently wiped away by the so-called Army CID forensic experts:

And you still are confronted with the fact that other than your beautiful boy's word, there is no evidence that he actually lost consciousness.

He's been proven a liar often enough for me to determine that his credibility is worthless.

 

[Henri McPhee]

I didn't give the source for that MacDonald blood quote about the Google groups MacDonald forum in 1998 which is at :

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.true-crime/yWXMUY8k-Nk/5Y5Mx-LNEOoJ

Fred Bost wrote publicly that there were no pajama fibers on the wooden club murder weapon. There is hard documentary evidence from the FBI expert examiner Frier to back that up. I don't know why JTF keeps spewing his fabricated evidence and sloppy forensic theories. It was bad police work.

MacDonald kept lapsing into unconsciousness when he was first found by the military police. He was not pretending it. It's just a silly opinion, and not evidence, to suggest that he was never unconscious during the MacDonald murders.

 

[JTF]

Still Waiting

HENRIBOY: Your ongoing failure to walk the walk demonstrates your inability to effectively advocate for convicted murderer Jeffrey MacDonald. As I mentioned in a prior post, it also demonstrates your cognitive cowardice for if inmate was truly innocent, there would be ample court/lab documentation to back that claim.

Even Fred Bost was unable to come up with the goods, so he was forced to rely on supposition, half-truths, and debunked evidentiary arguments. You have certainly adhered to Bost's version of an alternate reality, but the song remains the same. The lyrics of that song focus on a mass murder spending his remaining days in a Maryland correctional facility.

Again, the burden is on YOU to provide proof of inmate's innocence. For the past 15 years, you have failed in spectacular fashion to provide this proof, but the details of the challenge have not changed.

1) Produce a decision by a District Court Judge and/or Appellate Court Judge that concludes that a CID and/or FBI agent committed perjury in this case.

2) Produce a decision by a 4th Circuit Court Judge and/or United States Supreme Court Judge that concludes that Judge Dupree and/or Judge Fox did not provide inmate with a fair trial and/or evidentiary hearing.

3) Produce a lab document that concludes that a fiber was a microscopic match and/or matched the chemical composition of clothing worn by a known intruder suspect.

4) Produce a lab document that concludes that a hair was a microscopic match and/or matched the DNA profile of a known intruder suspect.

5) Produce a lab document that concludes that a fingerprint, palmprint, or footprint matched a print exemplar from a known intruder suspect.

http://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

 

[byn63]

https://www.stlmag.com/news/call-it-murder/

The article above talks about Dr. Mary Case. I have mentioned her before especially to henri.....she has testified at criminal trials, she has an impressive CV, and is an expert beyond all doubts. In one True Crime book I read, Dr. Case testified that "it is medically impossibly to lose consciousness AND retain memory of the blow that caused that loss". (+this article discusses the case "Paula Sims" case.) She also pointed out, that in a situation where one is rendered unconscious the memory leading up to and for a time after regaining consciousness will be affected. This is a medical fact.

Personally, I think henri should either provide us with his curricula vitae showing that he is as well trained and expert as Dr. Case or he should shut up about inmate's alleged loss of consciousness which salient beings know did not occur.

 

[Henri McPhee]

I agree with Byn that medical opinion says that you don't remember much about an incident if you are unconscious for more than ten minutes. To my mind it's a bit like having a bad fall where you fall flat on your face, or if you are involved in a bad car crash, or if you are knocked out in a boxing ring. You remember bits and pieces, and the background to an incident, but maybe not the exact details.

There is more background to the MacDonald case which makes sense to me at this website. The MacDonald case was a gross miscarriage of justice:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/apr/14/jeffrey-macdonald-murder-errol-morris

Morris first got interested in the MacDonald story in the 1980s, and has been dipping in and out of the details since the 1990s. In trying to explain what brought him back to the case again and again, he writes: "It wasn't the brutality of the murders. I was afraid of something even more chilling – that MacDonald was innocent. That he had been made to witness the savage deaths of his family and then was wrongfully convicted for their murders. I wondered if people needed him to be guilty because the alternative was too horrible to contemplate."

 

[desmirelle]

All that snippet proves is that Morris did little research before opening his mouth and putting his foot in it. In order for Macdonald to have "witnessed" the savage murders, he had to be in the rooms. (Well, he was, but that's because he was the savage murderer.) According to what Macdonald has said about the murders, he (wuss that he was) was unconscious in the hallway and woke up after everything happened.

Do you have any sources with FACTS?

 

[byn63]

Leave it to henri to not grasp the importance of what Dr. Case said....the FACT is that HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO REMEMBER THE BLOW THAT CAUSED THE LOSS OF CONSCIOUSNESS" not that he'd remember parts of it. In fact, anyone who carefully reads the article sees that she says that a true loss of consciousness will result in some memory lapses leading up to the trauma. Dr. Mary Case is not just ANY medical professional she is board certified in both Neuro and Forensic Pathology thus making her a leading expert on head trauma which we all know inmate did not have head trauma and he did not lose consciousness and there were no hippies.

henri if you want to debate Dr. Mary Case's conclusions then provide the curricula vitae that shows you are qualified; if you CANNOT provide such a curricula vitae then shut up because you are in no way qualified to argue against her conclusions.

Errol Morris IS NOT EITHER A NEURO-PATHOLOGIST OR FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST so whatever he may or may not have stated in regards to inmate's alleged loss of consciousness is immaterial/irrelevant.

 

[BStrong]

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MacDonald kept lapsing into unconsciousness when he was first found by the military police. He was not pretending it. It's just a silly opinion, and not evidence, to suggest that he was never unconscious during the MacDonald murders.

Over the years otj, the only individuals that I had first hand experience with that "kept lapsing into unconsciousness" were alcohol or drug OD's - I dealt with many situations where somebody suffered a head injury from violence or accident and when they went out, they went out. If they were lucky enough to come back that was great, but this "in and out" stuff with head injuries is jive.

Popular fiction always gets it wrong about violence and physical injury. Your man crush might have believed if he "kept lapsing into unconsciousness" he was portraying reality, but while he may be able to fool the gullible and willing, people who have experienced head injuries first hand recognize Shakespeare when they encounter it.

BTW, what level of head injury did your man crush receive? Now I remember! a bruise and a contusion! Luckily, there's a bunch of actual scientific research that has gone into the effects of trauma to the brain - here's a link to a great resource, The Brain Injury Alliance of Utah:

https://biau.org/types-and-levels-of-brain-injury/

In the above section they go into great detail about types of injury and the different levels of trauma that causes each level of injury as well as the symptoms of traumatic brain injury.

Nowhere in their research do they describe "lapsing into unconsciousness" as a symptom of TBI- the victim goes out for a period of time depending on injury level then they regain consciousness

 

[Henri McPhee]

This is part of the testimony of military policeman Tevere on oath at the Article 32 proceedings in 1970 with regard to this unconscious matter. It's a fact:

http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/1970-07-08-a32-tevere.html

Q What did you do when you went into the house?
A I entered the house with my pistol drawn and proceeded up to Captain MacDonald who appeared to have been unconscious, in a state of semi-consciousness.
Q Now what were the lighting conditions in that bedroom?
A In the bedroom there was a small light on. I didn't need my flashlight.

 

[desmirelle]

What I noticed about your quote was the preface "appeared to have been" - indicating that no unconsciousness was observed in fact by the MP.

 

[desmirelle]

What I noticed about your quote was the preface "appeared to have been" - indicating that "unconsciousness" was not observed by the MP.

 

[byn63]

What I noticed about your quote was the preface "appeared to have been" - indicating that no unconsciousness was observed in fact by the MP.

EXACTLY! The MPs were not trained in Emergency Medical Procedures, they were not Doctors or Nurses, and were not trained in what happens with brain injury. IN FACT, in 1970, very little was known about traumatic brain injury. IN recent years studies have been conducted that show the results of concussion, including multiple concussions, shaken baby syndrome, blunt force trauma induced concussion etc. Not only did inmate lie about what happened (since he could not have remembered the detail he described nor could he have seen what he claimed to have seen due to the lighting) he showed that he was faking it which I call consciousness of guilt. I mean seriously, he expects salient persons to believe he was knocked out, then regained consciousness, then blacks out on top of his dead wife, AND THEN regains consciousness just as the MPs walk in? Seriously?

 

[Henri McPhee]

This is from this legal document about Jeff MacDonald being unconscious. I suppose the TT numbers are from the trial transcript:

http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/downloads/2016-06-07-defense-opening-brief.pdf

MacDonald testified that the woman intruder had blond hair, was wearing a
floppy hat, appeared to be carrying a candle, and was with several men. (TT 6588
92). At some point during the struggle, MacDonald was knocked unconscious.
Upon coming to, MacDonald testified in detail to finding his family members
bloodied and dead, his efforts to revive them, and his phone call for help. (TT
6595-6605). He was unconscious when help finally arrived.