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CNN: Dreamers will leave the US if DACA falls through

What happens to these people who probably don't even have a place? They just get thrown over the border while heartless ***** point and laugh?
 
dudalb said:
Hello Bigot.
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well, golly that is the type of comment that has me totally rethinking how I feel about these "dreamers" threatening to leave the USA. Maybe they can be taken in by all the folks who promised to move out if Trump got elected??

Bu-bye Felicia!
 
Thanks, Obama, etc!

Who is Felicia?

As I've been saying, these people are just pawns for both sides. Obama pulled a political stunt saying they can stay. That was a really stupid, yet calculated move. Calculated, because he knew this day would come.

Problem is, I don't think you can tell people they can stay and then turn around and throw them out years later. That is messed up, and it is now OUR mess. Again, thanks Obama. And everyone before you as well.

It's our fault that we and these "dreamers" are in this situation. We just ignored the problem for years, exploiting illegals the whole time.

I think at this point the best we can do is kick the bad ones out and let the rest stay. Telling people they can stay, telling them to go ahead and set up a new life for themselves, investing everything they have, and then years later telling them no? I am against that and that is putting it mildly.

I don't care much about who is already here, I want the borders secured.

Now, as for dreamers here claiming they will leave if they don't get what they want - sounds like they have become Americans to me. The crying line is over there.
 
Are the "Dreamers" of CNN the folks dreaming of picking strawberries? Or are they talking Elon Musk/ Mikola Tesla level?

But yeah, to what Midge said.
 
I think you guys need to sort out which of your citizens is paying illegal immigrants off the books and contrary to US law and prosecute them to the fullest.

If you don't this is just gong to keep happening.

Which US citizens are flouting immigration/employment law for their own profit? Find them and stop them.
 
When I lived overseas I knew two host country nationals who had more or less been "Dreamers" (a decade or more before the term came into use). Their parents had taken them to North America (one to the U.S., the other to Canada) as very young children. They both grew up speaking English, watching English language movies, American and British music, all that.

Then, in their late teens, off to a third-world country they had no memory of. It is terrible to treat people that way. The one from Canada seemed to be able to integrate back into the host country culture without too much difficulty, but the one from America just felt like a fish out of water, and was really depressed.
 
mgidm86 said:
Thanks, Obama, etc!

Who is Felicia?

As I've been saying, these people are just pawns for both sides. Obama pulled a political stunt saying they can stay. That was a really stupid, yet calculated move. Calculated, because he knew this day would come.....
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Not so sure about that. Obama was buying some time until there could be a permanent deal. Clinton would likely have continued it. Nobody imagined that Trump would move into the White House. I suspect Obama might have done a lot differently in his last couple years if he thought Trump could win.
 
3point14 said:
I think you guys need to sort out which of your citizens is paying illegal immigrants off the books and contrary to US law and prosecute them to the fullest.

If you don't this is just gong to keep happening.

Which US citizens are flouting immigration/employment law for their own profit? Find them and stop them.
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Well sure, that is what we would do if we actually wanted to reduce illegal immigration. However, that would deprive businesses of their supply of cheap, disposable exploitable labor. Illegal immigrants are going to take whatever wages they can get, as long as they are better than what they can get in Mexico or whatever other country they came from. They are not likely to complain about wage and hour or safety violations, and they can be laid off without having to pay unemployment compensation.

IMO, the real goal of many ostensibly anti-immigrant people is to maintain the status quo. That is why they support mostly ineffective stuff like walls or other "border security" measures, and push propaganda to keep anger directed at the immigrants themselves, rather than the people employing them. They don't really want to stop illegal immigration. Neither do they want to see illegal immigrants granted legal residency or citizenship, as legal residents or citizens would likely be less inclined to put up with bad treatment.
 
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CORed said:
Well sure, that is what we would do if we actually wanted to reduce illegal immigration. However, that would deprive businesses of their supply of cheap, disposable exploitable labor. Illegal immigrants are going to take whatever wages they can get, as long as they are better than what they can get in Mexico or whatever other country they came from. They are not likely to complain about wage and hour or safety violations, and they can be laid off without having to pay unemployment compensation.

IMO, the real goal of many ostensibly anti-immigrant people is to maintain the status quo. That is why they support mostly ineffective stuff like walls or other "border security" measures, and push propaganda to keep anger directed at the immigrants themselves, rather than the people employing them. They don't really want to stop illegal immigration. Neither do they want to see illegal immigrants granted legal residency or citizenship, as legal residents or citizens would likely be less inclined to put up with bad treatment.
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Seems pretty spot on and in keeping with the theme of the last few decades where rich people get poor people to blame very poor people for the problems caused by rich people trying to stay rich.
 
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