Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories VI: Lyndon Johnson's Revenge

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You mean the very thing you argued previously wasn't possible - is possible?

Hank

I think it's more of an indicator that there is no obvious beveled entrance wound on the x-rays 4-5 inches above the EOP.
 
I think it's more of an indicator that there is no obvious beveled entrance wound on the x-rays 4-5 inches above the EOP.

What about where the autopsy photos, WC and HSCA show the entrance wound?
*takes of sun glasses*
*electric guitars scream*
 
I think it's more of an indicator that there is no obvious beveled entrance wound on the x-rays 4-5 inches above the EOP.

Doesn't matter. You just blew your own argument out of the water.

Admitting to an EOP entrance wound and a top of the head exit wound means you no longer have an argument.

It doesn't matter where on the back of the head the entry is. It doesn't imply a second shooter, and it doesn't imply a conspiracy.

You just assured us of that.

So now you're reduced to arguing with the autopsists that there was more than one bullet strike to the head - the same autopsists you cited as part of your Gish gallop earlier.

And Cummings - like every other pathologist - found only one entry and one exit? Further evidence you will cite anything to support your argument du jour even if it destroys another part of your argument (there were two different bullet strikes to the head, you told us).

Buh-bye.

Hank
 
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Doesn't matter. You just blew your own argument out of the water.

Admitting to an EOP entrance wound and a top of the head exit wound means you no longer have an argument.

It doesn't matter where on the back of the head the entry is. It doesn't imply a second shooter, and it doesn't imply a conspiracy.

You just assured us of that.

Buh-bye.

Hank

We all know a CT will laid a source for their speculation, but not respect a counter conclusion. That a bullet may have entered lower than the accepted wound will matter more than any evidence contrary to a second shot, or for that matter, a complete absence of suggestion of any wound path other than the known exit.
 
Disbelief, there is one thing that I can be certain of in a case as murky as this: Kennedy had a small bullet wound next to his external occipital protuberance. And since the brain photographs and X-rays show nothing we would expect from a high-powered round could have entered there and exiting the frontal-parietal area (severe damage to the cerebellum, bullet fragments in the lower head area), it would appear that the large head wound was created by a completely separate missile. To me, the biggest mystery in the shooting is what happened to the missile that struck next to the external occipital protuberance. The authorities from the autopsy were clear and affirmative that the small wound in the scalp and skull was not high above the EOP at all, but right next to it. So one can't get out of this problem by simply raising this wound to fit a preferred trajectory.

That's lot of words to say you don't have a theory that fits the evidence. You would think at this point, that would be pretty important. Here's the thing, even if you are right about one of these details, it still doesn't mean that Oswald is not the lone assassin. You need to be able to put it all together into something coherent.
 
That's lot of words to say you don't have a theory that fits the evidence. You would think at this point, that would be pretty important. Here's the thing, even if you are right about one of these details, it still doesn't mean that Oswald is not the lone assassin. You need to be able to put it all together into something coherent.

That is the elephant in the room that he will not acknowledge.
 
Exactly.

If you look at this image (this was one that was prepared for the Warren Commission) House Select Committee on Assassinations [HSCA]...

[qimg]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/16/JFK_skull_trajectory.jpg[/qimg]

... you can see that the bullet trajectory is at the bottom of the gaping hole in the skull, and if you watch this video of a bullet fragmenting as it blasts a path through ballistic gelatin...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFVtNqBNmC0

... you can understand why that is.

NOTE: setting the speed to .25 helps to see what happens with the fragmentation.

FTFY

Hank
 
That's lot of words to say you don't have a theory that fits the evidence. You would think at this point, that would be pretty important. Here's the thing, even if you are right about one of these details, it still doesn't mean that Oswald is not the lone assassin. You need to be able to put it all together into something coherent.

How could you replicate Kennedy's head wounds without more than one missile striking the head?
 
How could you replicate Kennedy's head wounds without more than one missile striking the head?

Didn't the autopsy you've been citing say there was one entrance and one exit wound? How would you replicate that by having more than one shot?

Sometimes, you just ask the most inane questions.
 
How could you replicate Kennedy's head wounds without more than one missile striking the head?

If you mean the wounds JFK actually had in his head: By the bullet hitting in the "cowlick" wound, shattering, and causing a trauma wave that ejected through the top of the head.

If however you mean the wounds you seem to be claiming he had:

Dr. Peter Cummings is a case of one forensic pathologist who believes the X-rays suggest a single missile striking slightly above the EOP and exiting the top-right side of the head!
 
Still waiting for MicahJava to provide an accurate citation of a wound “right next to” the EOP.
Still waiting for him to identify that wound location consistently on the x-rays and photographs.
Still waiting for CONTEMPORARY evidence that the autopsy surgeons disagreed with the autopsy finding or their presentation in the WC.

Still waiting for MicahJava to cite his "4 to 5" inches source"
 
Still waiting for MicahJava to explain what the red spot is in the location where the entrance wound is described.

Still waiting for MicahJava to acknowledge that Oswald was behind JFK.

Still waiting for MicahJava to give his comprehensive theory for what happened that explains all of the evidence.

Still waiting for MicahJava to show where the entrance wound was as he understands it using the pics he posted.
 
Here is some history behind who saw what on the X-rays regarding a purported defect 4-5 inches above the EOP.

Dr. Werner Spitz,

"The missile which struck the right side of the President's head penetrated approximately 10 cm (4") above the occipital protuberance and 2 1/2 cm (1") to the right of the midline." "Nothing in the evidence which I have viewed tends to conflict with my opinion that the two shots which struck the president could have come" from the sniper's nest.
This is exactly where we see the entrance wound in the autopsy photographs

This is exactly where Dr Morgan said the entrance wound was.

There is nothing to see here. The known position of the head wound fits almost perfectly with the known facts... that JFK was shot from the 6th floor of the TSBD, with a 6.5x52mm bullet from from Oswald's Mannlicher Carcano rifle.

The only variable is that we don't know precisely what angle JFK's head was tilted downwards and what angle it was turned inwards at the exact moment of impact because the snapshots taken of Zapruder 312 & 313 are not sharp or clear enough to be precise, but what measurements can be taken put the entry wound within the margins of error.
 
But how can we trust a doctor who thinks the wound was in one place, and not open to interpretation with a 25% margin of error....
 
How could you replicate Kennedy's head wounds without more than one missile striking the head?

Let me help you, this is where you are supposed to tell us your theory, not continue to ask questions. You should be done anomaly hunting and be able to piece together your evidence into a coherent theory. Go.
 
How could you replicate Kennedy's head wounds without more than one missile striking the head?

This has been explained to you numerous times... there are two wounds on JFKs head

The first is the entry wound as shown in the autopsy photos.

The second is the "exit" wound, not of the bullet but of the brain matter, blood tissue and bullet fragments; this wound being a result of the explosion caused by a pressure cavity due to the sudden release of the kinetic energy of the impacting and fragmenting bullet.

You need to again review this video to understand how this happens...



Ballistic gelatin is used for these kinds of tests precisely because it very closely approximates the reaction of human tissue to the impact of a high velocity bullet.

This is not what might happen, this is what happens EVERY TIME a human suffers the impact of a bullet at high velocity, which then fragments. In this case, the bullet fragments into at least five pieces without having to pass through bone; just its impact with the relatively soft gel. Passing through bone first causes a greater slow down, therefore, a greater release of kinetic energy and a greater amount of fragmentation.

I urge you to watch that clip carefully, and with an open mind. In your mind, try transfer what you see happen to the ballistic gel, to a human head, and try to imagine how a human brain would respond to that impact.

THERE ARE NO OTHER WOUNDS ATTRIBUTABLE TO BULLET IMPACTS ON THE SKULL OF JFK!!

Now, if you think there are then

1. Tell us where you think the shots were fired from
2. Show us where the impact and exit wounds are
3. Explain what happened to the additional bullets

Back your assertions up with actual evidence.

NOTE: By "actual evidence" I mean documented evidence including physical evidence such as autopsy photographs, bullets or bullet fragments, scene photos, and properly taken witness statements. Third hand reports from some anonymous nutcase poster on a JFK Conspiracy forum is not evidence.
 
The 6.5x52mm Carcano round seals Oswald's guilt, certainly proves it was his gun. It is not only an over-powered, large round, it was unfamiliar to most Americans. For the hundreds of GSW's Parkland received every month, I doubt any were the 6.5x52mm.

The funny thing is that the 6.5 round his becoming the hip new thing for distance shooting (if I judge my gun magazine cover drool factor), so maybe in the future the bullet won't be such a mystery for people...not that this changes CTist's minds.

Long distance shooters have been on the 6.5 mm projectile for a good long time, and the similar 6.5 x 55mm Swedish Mauser caliber is popular enough that some US manufacturers have included that caliber in their line ups:

http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammo/hunting-ammo/a-metric-marvel-6-5x55-swedish-mauser/
 
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