Is that supposed to be a reference to a source? Or are you embarrassed by the prospect of citing it properly?
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Henri McPhee
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That came from an article on the internet which I don't entirely agree with. The author seems to think that Chamberlain should have forged an alliance with Stalin and Soviet Russia, which was something Chamberlain had examined and rejected. Stalin wanted an alliance with Germany.
https://ghostwritingessays.com/far-...nges-nazi-germany-1939-dangerously-negligent/
There seems to be a controversy at the moment, which is something which frightens this forum, about the syllabus for history students in the UK. From 1937 onwards the history is all about Churchill and Mrs. Thatcher. I don't think it's the pure unadulterated historical truth. Some history teachers are said to have downed tools about it. In my day I used to spend year after year studying the Tudors, probably for the exams.
Your link indicates that it came from a ghost writer of college essays at 1010 N HANCOCK ST, PHILADELPHIA, PA 19123, USA.
Stalin had an alliance with Czechoslovakia.
ETA Per wiki.
On May 16, 1935 the Czechoslovak-Soviet Treaty of Alliance was signed between the two states as the consequence of Soviet alliance with France (which was the Czechoslovak main ally).
The Munich deal annihilated one of Stalin's allies, and discredited the other. He then (foolishly and unscrupulously) turned to Germany. If CS had been permitted to remain in existence, and if France had not slighted its Soviet ally, there is no reason to suppose that Stalin would have turned to Germany. /ETAWhere did that happen? Who said they did it?
"Year after year studying"? Dear me. Why didn't you hire ghost writing essays? Then you could have presented material after paying the ghosts a fee, and you could have saved yourself the trouble of studying anything at all.
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fagin
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I hate to burst your bubble, but Chamberlain was not a German officer.
And yet again you are plain wrong, Chamberlain was pursuing an alliance with the Soviets right up until the Molotov-Ribentropp pact was signed.
Again untrue, or can you this time provide some evidence to support your assertion about the syllabus? The only thing that 'frightens' anyone here is your resolute refusal to do any research beyond a five second Google search.
Which I cannot help suspecting you failed, badly.
Oh and why on earth would history be all about Churchill 'from 1937' onwards? He didn't return to government until 1939, after the outbreak of war, and didn't become PM until 1940. In 1937 he was a backbench MP with no influence and was distinctly out of favour over his support of Edward the VIII in the abdication crisis.
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ddt
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A group of higher officers around outgoing chief of staff Ludwig Beck and incoming chief of staff Franz Halder plotted to overthrow Hitler, in case Germany declared war on CS, and informed London of this plan. But contrary to your assertion, they did need a reason; and war at the time was really not popular with the German population.
Munich took away whatever momentum the opposition to Hitler had and cemented his position. Of course Henri will ignore this along with every other fact pointed out to him and come back with some irrelevant webpage he Googled up. He seems to feel primary sources represent some sort of conspiracy to hide the truth.
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ddt
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Force Nazi Germany to fight on two fronts and it collapses fast. Especially in 1938 without Czech tanks.
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Henri McPhee
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Personally, I think it would have been quite jolly to have gone to war in 1938 with the might of the Czechs as allies, and weak little Germany, the war might have been over by Christmas. It's just that Chamberlain was taking military advice at the time, and advice and information from our secret service about Hitler's intentions. Britain was not up to the job at the time, and public opinion could not be disregarded.
There is an interesting opinion from 1952 about all this. I'm not sure this is entirely accurate:
http://www.carrollquigley.net/misc/Quigley_explains_how_Germany_conquered_Czechoslovakia.htm
There is an interesting opinion from 1952 about all this. I'm not sure this is entirely accurate:
http://www.carrollquigley.net/misc/Quigley_explains_how_Germany_conquered_Czechoslovakia.htm
fagin
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Wars are always jolly....
Well, in 1938 the Czech's didn't have Czech tanks, at least not the ones the Germans ended up nicking (the ones renamed Pz38t).
And the British hardly had any of the tanks they used in 1940. I don't think any Mathilda's had been delivered, for example.
As I said above, the Germans had a head start on pretty much everyone.
As for the Soviets, one of the questions raised over defending Czechoslovakia was how the Soviets could intervene meaningfully.
Quigley has a reputation as a conspiracy nutcase which has earned him much credit on the extreme ultra right, such as the John Birch Society.
In 1971, Gary Allen, a spokesman for the John Birch Society, published None Dare Call It Conspiracy, which became a bestseller. Allen cited Quigley's Tragedy and Hope as an authoritative source on conspiracies throughout his book. Like Skousen, Allen understood the various conspiracies in Quigley's book to be branches of one large conspiracy, and also connected them to the Bilderbergers and to Richard Nixon. ... Jim Marrs ... cites Quigley in his book Rule By Secrecy, which describes a conspiracy linking the Milner Group, Skull and Bones, the Trilateral Commission, the Bavarian Illuminati, the Knights Templar, and aliens who posed as the Sumerian gods thousands of years ago.
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Actually I had on mind previous version called Škoda LT vz. 35 (Under German designation Panzer 35(t)) which was already delivered and active. Apparently LT 35 was used by Germans as substitute for Panzer III (medium tank!)
As for Soviet Union, that was real concern because of distance and very short border with us.
I don't think Germany was that far ahead as is commonly portrayed.
BTW: It would be interesting comparison between Czech and German tanks. it looks like it wouldn't be fun for Germans...
Ah yes, forgot about the 35.
All told there were some 300 in 1938?
That outnumbers the Germans PzIII and PzIV (some 40 of the former and 80 or so of the latter). However you can't look at these in isolation.
It has to be looked at with the tactics overall, so the Luftwaffe.
This is one of the questions that comes up in briefing documents for Chamberlain in '38. Could anyone actually intervene fast enough. And the analysis that seemed to come back each time was "no".
They had hundreds of 109s in 1938. No one else had a frontline fighter that would match that.
As I say above, you can't do that in isolation.
ddt
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Short as in 0 km. Poland bordered Romania (the "Romanian bridgehead" through which substantial parts of the Polish army escaped in 1939) and thus CS didn't border the USSR. Poland would have been needed to grant the Red Army the right to cross its territory to get into Slovakia (or to nitpick, Carpatho-Ruthenia). Guess the chances of them doing that.