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Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories V: Five for Fighting

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MicahJava said:
The evidence for that starts with the small wound near the external occipital protuberance. This wound was too low in the back of the head to correlate to a frontal-parietal exit like the HSCA posited. The official X-rays and brain photographs show most of the shrapnel and damage was only on the top of the head. A high-powered missile entering there would have turn open the cerebellum and occipital lobes, which is not shown on the brain photographs at all.
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When you say it like that... It's almost as if the bullet entered slightly above the occipital protuberance, but not at the "top" of the head... say three or maybe four inches above, and deflected upwards causing a trauma bow-wave.

Why then, not only would it match the Z film, AND the autopsy photographs, but that brain damage you keep claiming is not compatible with the lower entry wound.

Like... oh... I don't know... all the evidence we actually have actually suggests?
 
The wound was low enough in the back of the head to stay intact after the skull had been opened wide enough to retrieve the brain. So not on the top of the head (where 4-5 inches above the EOP is), because almost the entire top of the head needs to be taken off in order to properly remove a brain.
 
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MicahJava said:
The wound was low enough in the back of the head to stay intact after the skull had been opened wide enough to retrieve the brain. So not on the top of the head (where 4-5 inches above the EOP is), because almost the entire top of the head needs to be taken off in order to properly remove a brain.
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Remember, you've displayed absolutely no useful knowledge about autopsies or gunshot wounds. :)
 
MicahJava said:
The wound was low enough in the back of the head to stay intact after the skull had been opened wide enough to retrieve the brain. So not on the top of the head (where 4-5 inches above the EOP is), because almost the entire top of the head needs to be taken off in order to properly remove a brain.
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The highlighted would be true were the brain being removed from an undamaged skull.

It has already been shown that not only was this not the case, but we could go further and ask if the process you keep assuming to be the methodology would be the best, or even a possible, method, given the damage to the skull.
 
MicahJava said:
The wound was low enough in the back of the head to stay intact after the skull had been opened wide enough to retrieve the brain. So not on the top of the head (where 4-5 inches above the EOP is), because almost the entire top of the head needs to be taken off in order to properly remove a brain.
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They sawed off the skull cap where they could, taking care to preserve the entry wound. We've posted links where Humes discussed this.

You ignore it because it make you wrong...again...:thumbsup:
 
MicahJava said:
No, you can show a conspiracy with only missiles fired from behind. The evidence for that starts with the small wound near the external occipital protuberance. This wound was too low in the back of the head to correlate to a frontal-parietal exit like the HSCA posited. The official X-rays and brain photographs show most of the shrapnel and damage was only on the top of the head. A high-powered missile entering there would have turn open the cerebellum and occipital lobes, which is not shown on the brain photographs at all. Although Cyril Wecht once identified a possible tiny bullet fragment in the upper neck (which would itself probably constitute another proof of the EOP wound), no bullet fragments of any size were in the back of the brain. Either way, it looks like there's no way to explain the contradictory head wounds besides to invoke two missiles striking the head as Dr. George Burkley always expressed concern about.
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So you're arguing a 4th shot, and since only three cartridge cases were found in Oswald's sniper's nest, a 4th shot means a second shooter.

OK, lets assume for a moment that there was a 4th shot. There is no reason in the world why that means there has to be a second shooter. A 4th shot could easily have been fired by Oswald. The number of bullets remaining in a magazine cannot tell you how many shots were fired, even if you know it was full to start with.

So then, where is the 4th cartridge case?

I am a regular shooter at my local range, and I shoot one or both of two rifles that I own...a Remington 700, .270 centrefire bolt-action hunting rifle and a Savage M12 chambered .243 Win. While shooting, I sometimes get hit by a cartridge case bouncing off a wall or an upright at the front of the range and come back at me, and occasionally, I have found a cartridge case lodged in my clothing at the end of my shoot. They usually fall out when I stand up but on at least a few occasions, they have remained in my clothing, and I have either found them on the driver's seat after I got home, or they have fallen out when I went to change clothes in the house.

There is no reason that, if in the unlikely event of Oswald actually firing a 4th shot, that something similar could not have happened to him. The cartridge case lodges in his clothing, and he unknowingly carries it out of the building, where it becomes dislodged either elsewhere in the building and is never found, or out in the street where it is never found (perhaps ends up in a drain).
 
is 'missiles' the new conspiracy buzzword? it sounds beyond ridiculous.
 
Whip said:
is 'missiles' the new conspiracy buzzword? it sounds beyond ridiculous.
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A bullet is also called a missile.

mis·sile
ˈmisəl/Submit
noun
an object that is forcibly propelled at a target, either by hand or from a mechanical weapon.
a weapon that is self-propelled or directed by remote control, carrying a conventional or nuclear explosive.

So, thanks for asking the obvious.
 
smartcooky said:
So you're arguing a 4th shot, and since only three cartridge cases were found in Oswald's sniper's nest, a 4th shot means a second shooter.

OK, lets assume for a moment that there was a 4th shot. There is no reason in the world why that means there has to be a second shooter. A 4th shot could easily have been fired by Oswald. The number of bullets remaining in a magazine cannot tell you how many shots were fired, even if you know it was full to start with.

So then, where is the 4th cartridge case?

I am a regular shooter at my local range, and I shoot one or both of two rifles that I own...a Remington 700, .270 centrefire bolt-action hunting rifle and a Savage M12 chambered .243 Win. While shooting, I sometimes get hit by a cartridge case bouncing off a wall or an upright at the front of the range and come back at me, and occasionally, I have found a cartridge case lodged in my clothing at the end of my shoot. They usually fall out when I stand up but on at least a few occasions, they have remained in my clothing, and I have either found them on the driver's seat after I got home, or they have fallen out when I went to change clothes in the house.

There is no reason that, if in the unlikely event of Oswald actually firing a 4th shot, that something similar could not have happened to him. The cartridge case lodges in his clothing, and he unknowingly carries it out of the building, where it becomes dislodged either elsewhere in the building and is never found, or out in the street where it is never found (perhaps ends up in a drain).
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Just... no.
 
Axxman300 said:
They sawed off the skull cap where they could, taking care to preserve the entry wound. We've posted links where Humes discussed this.

You ignore it because it make you wrong...again...:thumbsup:
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What specific statement by Humes are you talking about?
 
MicahJava said:
Just... no.
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So no fourth shot from anywhere? Or just no fourth shot from Oswald's weapon?

If you're arguing for a fourth shot, and no fourth shell was found anywhere in Dealey Plaza within hours of the assassination, on what basis are you eliminating the only known weapon found in Dealey Plaza that day from firing it?

Note: Your need to have a second assassin is NOT an adequate reason.

Hank
 
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Tomtomkent said:
The highlighted would be true were the brain being removed from an undamaged skull.

It has already been shown that not only was this not the case, but we could go further and ask if the process you keep assuming to be the methodology would be the best, or even a possible, method, given the damage to the skull.
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You see, what I said goes double for a damaged skull. Since the area around the large skull defect was so fractures, surrounding bone fragments would just come loose. So Dr. Finck could not have arrived late to the autopsy, after the brain had been removed, to examine a beveled entrance wound which couldn't have even existed. Again, Dr. Finck always insisted that the small skull wound was intact within the open cranium, and was not only visible when previously-separated skull fragments were placed back.
 
HSienzant said:
So no fourth shot from anywhere? Or just no fourth shot from Oswald's weapon?

If you're arguing for a fourth shot, and no fourth shell was found anywhere in Dealey Plaza within hours of the assassination, on what basis are you eliminating the only known weapon found in Dealey Plaza that day from firing it?

Note: Your need to have a second assassin is NOT an adequate reason.

Hank
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A straight line from a high-powered round entering next to the EOP would have exited the face or the right temple. Tom Robinson of Gawler's funeral home said he saw a small hole in the right temple he thought was an exit from a fragment, but there's no fragment trail on the X-ray to make it the official story.
 
MicahJava said:
Just... no.
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Ah, the "just..no" gambit; last resort of those who don't have an answer.

Explain to me why this could not have happened, given that I have multiple personal experiences with this happening to me. There are enough gun enthusiasts on this forum that I'll bet at least some of them have had the same experience.
 
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MicahJava said:
A straight line from a high-powered round entering next to the EOP would have exited the face or the right temple. Tom Robinson of Gawler's funeral home said he saw a small hole in the right temple he thought was an exit from a fragment, but there's no fragment trail on the X-ray to make it the official story.
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That's not the point we were discussing. Your argument was that an additional shot came from somewhere. If somewhere, why not the Depository and Oswald's rifle?

Why assume a straight line now? You haven't been assuming it previously... previously you argued the shot that struck JFK in the back of the head deflected downward. You never explained why downward is the only possible way for the bullet to deflect. Why not upward or to either side? Why the false dichotomy of only a downward deflection or a straight line?

Nobody cares what Tom Robinson remembered 15 or 33 years after the assassination, except you and your fellow Conspiracy Theorists. After claiming you have contemporaneous evidence for all your claims supported by recollections before the ARRB in the 1990's, you resort to pulling Robinson's recollection out of your b- bothersome pile of steaming horse manure.

The contemporaneous record says the morticians didn't see the autopsy. Ironically, YOU posted it here, trying to prove another point.

Hank
 
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Axxman300 said:
A bullet is also called a missile.

mis·sile
ˈmisəl/Submit
noun
an object that is forcibly propelled at a target, either by hand or from a mechanical weapon.
a weapon that is self-propelled or directed by remote control, carrying a conventional or nuclear explosive.

So, thanks for asking the obvious.
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