Larry Nassar gets 175 years.....

He sexually assaulted more than 150 women and girls.

His actions were especially egregious just by number of assaults.

But 175 years max though? Some multiple murderers don't even get that much time.

Just another example of the draconian laws we have in a so-called developed nation.

You know who should have gotten 100+ years? That rapist who brutally tore into his victim with a tree branch. He was sentenced to 23 years in max security in Russia. She later died after a long coma :(
 
No, indeed. But that's not what you said. You said that he had confessed to child rape.

This is precisely why people who create the laws and sentencing should not have an axe to grind. Throwing nonspecific terms around creates havoc in an already questionable justice system.
 
I don't have the time to read the last 6 pages in the thread, so forgive me if someone already said this:

I'm surprised there wasn't one health care worker, be it a nurse or a medical assistant that didn't have the experience or courage to speak up, it is not acceptable medical practice for male doctors to do any kind of intimate exam on a female patient without another female in the room.

Any women in this forum who have had male doctors do pap smears or pelvic exams should have had a female assistant in the room. IIRC, even my OBGYN had a female assistant in the room during pregnancy pelvic exams.

Someone didn't have experience or didn't speak up about that procedure, regardless of the girls reporting and not being believed.

It's unfortunate. We need to do a better job training medical assistants and educating nurses.


It turns out, some did.

I read a story yesterday about the title IX investigation conducted by the university. There were two versions of the final report made. One was given to the complainants. The other to university officials, and Dr. Nassar himself.

The one given to complainants basically said that their finding was that Nassar's acts were legitimate medicine.

The one given to officials said the same thing, but also said that basically what you said above. it said there should be other people present in the room. It said that any treatments should be conducted clothed if possible. It said that there were a variety of safeguards that ought to have been in place, and referred specifically to this being important in the case of treatment involving the "pelvic floor".

Allow me to digress momentarily. Is treatment of the "pelvic floor" for sports injuries really a thing? I mean, would you be able to find another doctor who said, "Oh yes. Any time I do pelvic floor treatment for muscle injuries on a female patient, I always ensure that there is a female assistant present." It sure sounds to me like something the guy made up.

Anyway, it seems very clear to me that the people who wrote that report knew exactly where Dr. Nassar was putting his fingers, and the tone of the report suggested that there was at least some sense that maybe something wasn't right here, and yet they seemed to have bought into the idea that it was legitimate medical practice. I'm pretty sure that if the same testimony about what happened in private exam rooms had been presented to a less educated audience, the less educated would have immediately drawn the correct inference about Dr. Nassar's motives. As it was, the people charged with writing that report, even after hearing what was going on, concluded that he was just practicing medicine in a different way than what they were familiar with, but because people might not understand it, maybe there should be some nurses present during "treatment".

It looks a lot like a case of The Emperor's New Clothes. No one wanted to say the obvious, and be thought a fool. The unfortunate difference between that story and the real story of Dr. Nassar is that several young people did call attention to what was obvious before their eyes when Dr Nassar was "treating" them. Unlike in the story, the wise people in the crowd did not admit that the child who spoke up was correct after all.

Did he really have such a good reputation for treating sports injuries that people would buy his explanation of why he did what he did, even though there was a perfectly obvious explanation that was familiar to many more people?
 
But 175 years max though? Some multiple murderers don't even get that much time.

Just another example of the draconian laws we have in a so-called developed nation.
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Would you feel less peeved if he had just been sentenced to life in prison for thousands of felonies perpetrated against hundreds of children over a period of 20+ years? He pleaded guilty to 10 charges in exchange for dropping at least a dozen others. Is it the length of the term that's a problem for you? He was already sentenced to 60 years in federal court for child pornography. Michigan could have sentenced him to 30 days in county jail for the child molesting, and he'd still die in prison. Or you think his crimes aren't serious enough to deserve hard time, or what? One reason for the lengthy sentence is to register the community's outrage at his behavior, even if the practical effect is limited.
 
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Did he really have such a good reputation for treating sports injuries that people would buy his explanation of why he did what he did, even though there was a perfectly obvious explanation that was familiar to many more people?

Yes, in short. He had a national reputation for producing champions. Nobody wanted to ask too many questions about how.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...d2991367d9d_story.html?utm_term=.dd568fab3d27
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...aff0034e2de_story.html?utm_term=.e4618320815d
 
Did he actually confess to rape? That's a simple yes/ no question, and the reason for asking it is that this is precisely what you claimed.

It is a confession to rape because the charge under MCL 750.520b “Criminal sexual conduct in the first degree” falls under “CHAPTER LXXVI RAPE”. Under Michigan law there is no other separate and distinct definition of “rape”. Forcible vaginal penetration with a penis would be exactly the same charge.

(I see that there are a few websites that list the title of the chapter as “SEXUAL CONDUCT”. I don’t know why that is, but it does not appear to be consistent with official records.)
 
All competitive sports are like that at the highest levels.

They all have the intensity, but I don't think they all have that level of control. I don't see the isolation that was described in that Washington Post article.

I've never heard of a nine year old track prodigy being hustled away to weeks long camps where they signed pledges to limit contact with parents or with their own coaches. For years, I've read stories about the intensity and what it takes to become a world champion. I've admired Olympians, but always wondered if that level of training and intensity was really worth it. If that's what it took to be world champions, was it worth it?

That was true for lots of sports, but only gymnastics crossed the line to creepy. I always thought there was something not quite right about gymnastics. I think the difference between that and other sports was that the peak performance occurs so young, with almost all the champions being teenagers, and to reach that level, the girls needed to be identified as potential candidates at age 5 or less.

Reading about the level of control that they had, culminating in being told that they had to submit to "examination" any time, only by approved doctors, alone in their dormitory rooms. I don't think you would find that in other sports, at least not in the USA. The thing that really makes it cross to cult-like, though, is the apparent unquestioning acceptance of these bizarre activities.

It says something about the power of gold.
 
I've never heard of a nine year old track prodigy being hustled away to weeks long camps where they signed pledges to limit contact with parents or with their own coaches.

The highest levels of competitive track and field don't depend on nine year old prodigies, so you're probably not going to see kids that age involved in much cult-like stuff beyond the usual sport-mom craziness.
 
But 175 years max though? Some multiple murderers don't even get that much time.

I'm really trying to wrap my head around why this bothers people so much.

If he's in prison for life why does it matter so much how the math works out?
 
Yeah in a completely separate country.

There's that.

I'm not sure that this negates the point, though. It's just a lot harder to compare.

If I slap a thousand people in the face, that's a thousand minor assaults. I'm not sure putting me away for 10 years is the way to go, however. ;)
 
There's that.

I'm not sure that this negates the point, though. It's just a lot harder to compare.

If I slap a thousand people in the face, that's a thousand minor assaults. I'm not sure putting me away for 10 years is the way to go, however. ;)
I would think it might depend on whether you were slapping those thousand people for the purpose of sexual gratification and using a position of authority and trust to apply those slaps to children and get away with it for 20 or more years.
 
There's that.

I'm not sure that this negates the point, though. It's just a lot harder to compare.

If I slap a thousand people in the face, that's a thousand minor assaults. I'm not sure putting me away for 10 years is the way to go, however. ;)

That might be extreme, but there has to be some enhanced penalty. Otherwise you're saying that the first crime gets punished, but others are free. Nobody would think that's a good idea. And instead of a thousand minor assaults, think of hundred rapes. You think that should be treated the same as one? If not for punishment, you at least want to keep a serial criminal off the streets to protect the public.
 
Some interesting points from Nassar's letter, quoted by CNN:

I was a good doctor because my treatments worked and those patients that are now speaking out were the same ones that praised and came back over and over and referred family and friends to see me. The media convinced them that everything I did was wrong and bad. They feel I broke their trust. Hell hath not fury like a woman scorned. It is just a complete nightmare. The stories that are being fabricated to sensationalize this than the AG would only accept my plea if I said what I did was not medical and was for my own pleasure. They forced me to say that or they were going to trial and not accepting the plea. I wanted to plea no contest, but the AG refused that. I was so manipulated by the AG and now Aquilina. And all I wanted was to minimize the stress like I wrote earlier...In addition, with the federal case, my medical treatments with the Olympics/national team gymnastics were discussed as part of the fleet. The FBI investigated them in 2015 and found nothing substantial because it was medical. Now, they are seeking the media attention and financial reward.

Nassar is not only denying actual guilt...he is accusing the media, attorney general, and his sentencing judge of corruption. This just boggles the mind.

https://www.local10.com/news/national/read-judge-aquilinas-statement-to-larry-nassar
 
Some interesting points from Nassar's letter, quoted by CNN:

Nassar is not only denying actual guilt...he is accusing the media, attorney general, and his sentencing judge of corruption. This just boggles the mind.

https://www.local10.com/news/national/read-judge-aquilinas-statement-to-larry-nassar

The judge quoted sections of that letter during the sentencing hearing, and even asked him directly: "Would you like to withdraw your plea? Did you plead guilty because you are guilty?" He didn't argue.
 
Nassar is not only denying actual guilt...he is accusing the media, attorney general, and his sentencing judge of corruption. This just boggles the mind.

It might boggle the mind, but it does not surprise me at all.

He was already sentenced for possession of child pornography (and in accordance with the plea agreement for the sexual assaults) to terms longer than the natural term of the remainder of his life.... He was never getting out anyway, so what does he have to lose?
 

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