Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 27

[Stacyhs]

Just reading the comments from the small handful (3?) of nutters at TJMK is amusing as it reveals the nonsense they believe is fact. For example:

She fails to inform Roanoke innocents that she lived in the murder house, she was found with a mop and bucket on its front porch a few hours before the body discovered inside, and that evidence of a cleanup was proven.

She omits to tell them she told police that she didn’t know where she was (can you buy that, she didn’t know WHERE she was?) on the night of the murder. Her boyfriend said several different things about her whereabouts.

Posted by Hopeful on 01/25/18 at 09:25 AM

Was Hopeful at the Roanoke last night? Was a video/recording of Knox made public? No. Yet she thinks she knows what Knox did, or did not, say. How can anyone with more than half a brain think Knox failed to mention she and Kercher were roommates?

Hopeful still believes the totally debunked "mop and bucket" story. She thinks the body was discovered "a few hours later" when it was discovered within a half hour of the police's arrival. She believes a clean up was proven when, if fact, it was recognized that a selective clean up was impossible to have occurred.

She thinks Knox told the police she didn't know where she was when, in fact, she repeatedly told them she had been at Sollecito's.

No wonder Hopeful thinks Knox and Sollecito are guilty when she has embraced such woeful ignorance.

Edited: Hopeful also wrote:

A sad day for journalism when not one reporter dares interview one person in the audience with a different opinion from the self-serving pulpiteer Knox.

LOL! How would the reporters know someone had a different opinion if they didn't ask them in the first place? Logical thinking is not strong in this one. Explains a lot.

 

[Stacyhs]

More from alternate-reality Pete:

Roanoke is made harder because it is a campus in disarray with the heads of the student government and student newspaper both frog marched out of their empires.

Pete still doesn't realize that this is false and his "info" comes from two satirical pieces that state the stories are just that.

We should get far more traction when we move up a few macro-notches, to the Italian-Americans in Congress for example, and the national Bar Association, and some Ivy League universities that really do do their homework, and some media outfits that would be thrilled to explode our narrative.

Posted by Peter Quennell on 01/25/18 at 02:24 PM

This is laughable! Does he really think these groups CARE about his little harassment campaign? This more than anything reveals that Pete has lost touch with reality.

 

[acbytesla]

I think it bothers Vixen that Amanda's popularity and the interest in her story is so great that they moved the event to a larger auditorium and still hundreds had to be turned away because it was full. I think it bothers her that people now understand and believe she was wrongfully convicted and that they look to her as a respected subject matter expert. People have empathy for Amanda and that just annoys the hell out of her.

Apparently the event yesterday was a great success and I couldn't be happier for Amanda. I only wish I could have attended.

I'm really quite proud of her. It would have been very understandable for Amanda to crawl into a hole and become a tragic character. There was a time when my impression that this horrible episode was on the verge of ruining her chances of having a happy life. She talked about wanting to live a private average life and not having this event define her.

While I don't blame her for having that sentiment, I never really thought it was possible. Too much had happened. She had been front page news for too long. There would always be the occasional followup story. Hardly anyone doesn't know bits and pieces of the story.
There would always be the nutters. There would be the Peter Quennell's. I was always of the impression that she needed to seize the narrative and use her fame for her benefit.

In a society where the absolute no talent Kardashians make millions of dollars and a loser like Trump can become POTUS, why not create a living? I hope the small tv series is a big success as well. I think it is quite interesting that the negative stories about Amanda have pretty much disappeared despite PQ's desperate attempts.

Here we are more than a decade later and hundreds of people are turned away because the auditorium isnt large enough.

Hooray for Amanda.

 

[ctb1234]

Kimo Sabe is a reference from the the lone ranger tv series. I grew up near mile end in east london, and it is true that you hear that phrase often spoken, however its not cockney in origin. My father and many other cockneys grew up with the lone ranger series. In the 1950s the average person did not have a tv, so they would pay to go to the cinema, where the could pay to see cartoons and other tv series, usually before the main film. The lone ranger is a tv series that many watched, hence they started using words such as Kemo Sabe. Its not cockney slang. So i am sorry to inform you Vixen, but you are wrong. Kemo sabe comes from a fondess that east londoners had for the tv series.

 

[Bill Williams]

Just reading the comments from the small handful (3?) of nutters at TJMK is amusing as it reveals the nonsense they believe is fact. For example:

In other words:

Peter Quennell's harassment campaign against Roanoke college was a complete failure (thank God):

And Hopeful doesn't know anything about the evidence in this case. Indeed - it was the "mop and pail" non-evidence that Nina Burleigh found (when in Perugia herself), which caused her to suddenly find herself on the receiving end of Quennell's campaign, cf. "How are the kiddies?"

The basic problem with the nutters is that they know nothing of the fundamentals of the case. The rest is their "bad", their harassment, etc. of unsuspecting colleges.

Yet Quennell still holds out hope that there will be a breakthrough with Italian Americans.

 

[acbytesla]

In other words:

Peter Quennell's harassment campaign against Roanoke college was a complete failure (thank God the flying spaghetti monster):

And Hopeful doesn't know anything about the evidence in this case. Indeed - it was the "mop and pail" non-evidence that Nina Burleigh found (when in Perugia herself), which caused her to suddenly find herself on the receiving end of Quennell's campaign, cf. "How are the kiddies?"

The basic problem with the nutters is that they know nothing of the fundamentals of the case. The rest is their "bad", their harassment, etc. of unsuspecting colleges.

Yet Quennell still holds out hope that there will be a breakthrough with Italian Americans.

FTFY

 

[Bill Williams]

In other words:

Peter Quennell's harassment campaign against Roanoke college was a complete failure (thank God the flying spaghetti monster):

FTFY

LOL!

I almost missed it!

 

[Vixen]

Kimo Sabe is a reference from the the lone ranger tv series. I grew up near mile end in east london, and it is true that you hear that phrase often spoken, however its not cockney in origin. My father and many other cockneys grew up with the lone ranger series. In the 1950s the average person did not have a tv, so they would pay to go to the cinema, where the could pay to see cartoons and other tv series, usually before the main film. The lone ranger is a tv series that many watched, hence they started using words such as Kemo Sabe. Its not cockney slang. So i am sorry to inform you Vixen, but you are wrong. Kemo sabe comes from a fondess that east londoners had for the tv series.

If it's within the sound of the Bow Bells, it's cockney.

 

[whoanellie]

Kimo Sabe is a reference from the the lone ranger tv series. I grew up near mile end in east london, and it is true that you hear that phrase often spoken, however its not cockney in origin. My father and many other cockneys grew up with the lone ranger series. In the 1950s the average person did not have a tv, so they would pay to go to the cinema, where the could pay to see cartoons and other tv series, usually before the main film. The lone ranger is a tv series that many watched, hence they started using words such as Kemo Sabe. Its not cockney slang. So i am sorry to inform you Vixen, but you are wrong. Kemo sabe comes from a fondess that east londoners had for the tv series.

Thanks for the info. If Kemo Sabe is used often in East London was it used to mean "Do you speak English?" or "Do you understand?".

 

[Bill Williams]

Re: Novelli. Novelli confirmed that Stefanoni had not followed international protocols. Vixen has already cited Novelli as someone who at trial, and under cross-examination, supported Stefanoni's work. It becomes a strange claim when Novelli confirms that Stefanoni's lab followed other protocols other than the international ones.

Re: Balding. This is someone who Vixen has never cited. Balding expresses the opinion that 165B is from Sollecito. But Balding did not say that contamination was out of the question. (Balding did not reference it, but Detective Napoleoni told the Massei court that the medical staff who'd come to the cottage had gone into the victim's room without protective, anti-contamination gear on.)

This is what Balding had said about contamination, and more specifically if he'd seen the negative controls.

The bra clasp was collected about 47 days after the murder, and it was found in a different location from where it was initially observed. In the interim many people entered the cottage and items from her room were removed. Are these concerns sufficient for the clasp to be excluded as evidence?​

The only worry would be if somehow DNA from Sollecito was brought into the room and deposited on item 165B. I don't know enough about what happened to say if that was likely but I'd guess that people walking in and out of the room etc would be unlikely to do that.

The clasp was collected with gloves that were not clean, not with disposable tweezers (videos here and here). The glove was handled by more than one person. Are these concerns sufficient for the clasp to be excluded as evidence? If not, should the clasp be given less weight as evidence because of them?​

Same comment - the only concern is if any of this could have transferred DNA from Sollecito onto item 165B.

Would you care to comment on the storage of the clasp after the forensic police tested it?​

I know nothing about it.

Did you analyze the electronic data files? Did you examine the laboratory¹s own protocols and machine logs?​

I have only seen the epgs for the autosomal DNA profiles of 165B. There is an unclear version of them in the Conti-Vecchiotti report, but Prof Vecchiotti kindly provided my with a clean set.

Did you examine the negative controls?​

No.

Perhaps Balding is referring to Stefanoni herself and her dirty glove 46 days after the medical staff had been in the room, without protective gear. He'd "guessed" that it would have been unlikely for anyone to do, what the pic below shows.

 

[Vixen]

Re: Novelli. Novelli confirmed that Stefanoni had not followed international protocols. Vixen has already cited Novelli as someone who at trial, and under cross-examination, supported Stefanoni's work. It becomes a strange claim when Novelli confirms that Stefanoni's lab followed other protocols other than the international ones.

Re: Balding. This is someone who Vixen has never cited. Balding expresses the opinion that 165B is from Sollecito. But Balding did not say that contamination was out of the question. (Balding did not reference it, but Detective Napoleoni told the Massei court that the medical staff who'd come to the cottage had gone into the victim's room without protective, anti-contamination gear on.)

This is what Balding had said about contamination, and more specifically if he'd seen the negative controls.

​

Perhaps Balding is referring to Stefanoni herself and her dirty glove 46 days after the medical staff had been in the room, without protective gear. He'd "guessed" that it would have been unlikely for anyone to do, what the pic below shows.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_5397154cd51816a9a7.jpg[/qimg]

There is no such thing as 'international standards'. Dr Stefanoni used established ENSFI standards, superior to the mishmash of different protocols from one state to another in the USA and the Wisconsin Highways Handbook referred to by the defence. Italy is a founder member of the EUROPEAN forensic scientific standards.

Please stop regurgitating the same old, same old.

 

[Bill Williams]

Also, just for the mix.... Professor Novelli seems to be in some sort of trouble. Maybe someone else can handle the translation better than the following:

http://roma.corriere.it/notizie/cronaca/17_giugno_09/tor-vergata-minacce-abusi-rischio-processo-il-rettore-961b38ca-4d38-11e7-a0c3-52aebd58a53d.shtml?refresh_ce-cp

At the top of the priorities of the Rector of Tor Vergata, Giuseppe Novelli, there was the alleged unquestionability of his deeds. At least so it seems to judge by the conduct of two university researchers - pressures, threats, promises - to withdraw an appeal to the Tar against the call in the role of two professors, they considered incorrect and in fact deprived them of the right to aspire to that place. For his attempts to "convince" the applicants, Novelli now risks the trial.

The prosecutor has asked for the indictment on the charge of attempted bribery and instigation to corruption thanks to the evidence collected by the two complainants, who secretly recorded the heated talks with the rector: "For the next few years you look for another University . As long as I do the rector, she will never be a professor here ... either withdraw the appeal, or disappear from here, "Novelli shouted at one of the researchers, threatening even a disciplinary measure against him.

A softer line of persuasion was adopted by the rector with the other applicant, sent to "a burst of pride" that would then be rewarded properly. According to the prosecutor Mario Palazzi and the added Paolo Ielo, Novelli: «in the capacity of Rector, then a public official, he abused the top position and the powers deriving from it, failing to do so for reasons beyond his control». Two "benefits" were close to the Magnifico: "Do not suffer the consequences deriving from the ascertainment of procedural irregularities adopted in the professors' call and not see their institutional position weakened". Vain precautions, because the appeals have not been withdrawn, they have even added the penalties and sealing everything, last March, the Tar has canceled the appointments of the two professors and other 55.​

 

[Bill Williams]

There is no such thing as 'international standards'. Dr Stefanoni used established ENSFI standards, superior to the mishmash of different protocols from one state to another in the USA and the Wisconsin Highways Handbook referred to by the defence. Italy is a founder member of the EUROPEAN forensic scientific standards.

Please stop regurgitating the same old, same old.

Nice try. The **are** international standards with regard to multiple amplifications, standards that are simply - ah, er - standard, as Novelli himself said, as quoted by the Nencini court:

Continuing the examination, the Prosecutor asked Prof. Novelli his opinion on the fact that the amplification was not repeated at least twice. [213] Prof. Novelli answered as follows: “Look, there also exists…As I said earlier, it is true that there exist recommendations, protocols, standardizations, but there is also experience, common sense and the ability of a technician to be able to decide, faced with a given situation, what they should do.​

Your argument is with the very person you cite as a support to Stefanoni. Hoots!

 

[ctb1234]

So if some Iranians speaking Farsi is heard within the sound of the Bow Bells, it's cockney???? If i were to say an english phrase in Paris, does that mean its French??

 

[ctb1234]

Originally in the tv series it meant friend or faithful friend, and its still used that way. It has never been used to in East London to mean "Do you speak English?"

 

[Stacyhs]

There is no such thing as 'international standards'. Dr Stefanoni used established ENSFI standards, superior to the mishmash of different protocols from one state to another in the USA and the Wisconsin Highways Handbook referred to by the defence. Italy is a founder member of the EUROPEAN forensic scientific standards.

Please stop regurgitating the same old, same old.

There are internationally recognized protocols for the collection of forensic samples. One of which is to change gloves between handling evidence to minimize contamination. Or, in your bizarre world, does that not apply to ENSFI protocol standards?

 

[TruthCalls]

There is no such thing as 'international standards'. Dr Stefanoni used established ENSFI standards, superior to the mishmash of different protocols from one state to another in the USA and the Wisconsin Highways Handbook referred to by the defence. Italy is a founder member of the EUROPEAN forensic scientific standards.

Please stop regurgitating the same old, same old.

Gee, I wonder if R.I.S. abides by ENSFI standards? ...I mean, wasn't it R.I.S. that said a minimum of two amplifications must be done on DNA before the results could be considered reliable, more for LCN profiling?

I'm pretty sure anyone familiar with how Stefanoni ran this investigation could cite at least a dozen major infractions that would violate ENSFI standards, especially since they are "superior" to those in the USA. For example, I'm pretty sure if the standards in the USA says store items intended for DNA analysis in paper the ENSFI would not suggest otherwise yet this is precisely what Stefanoni did with 165B. Do you agree or, if not, can you cite the ENSFI standard that says storing an item in a plastic bag so it can rust and become useless is an accepted standard?

BTW, on who's authority do you make the claim that ENSFI standards are "superior" to the standards used in the USA?

 

[Vixen]

Also, just for the mix.... Professor Novelli seems to be in some sort of trouble. Maybe someone else can handle the translation better than the following:

http://roma.corriere.it/notizie/cronaca/17_giugno_09/tor-vergata-minacce-abusi-rischio-processo-il-rettore-961b38ca-4d38-11e7-a0c3-52aebd58a53d.shtml?refresh_ce-cp

​

Not another workplace dispute.

 

[Vixen]

So if some Iranians speaking Farsi is heard within the sound of the Bow Bells, it's cockney???? If i were to say an english phrase in Paris, does that mean its French??

It is, if it is KAREEM ABDUL JABBAR [=car].

The only people I ever heard using the expression, 'Kimo sabe?' interspersed with their normal speech were Cockney (and / or Kent) guys.

Just because you never heard it it doesn't mean it is not so. I had never heard of KAREEM ABDUL JABBAR until I saw it just now on a cockney dictionary.

People have a weird idea that all of history is recorded in google and if they cannot find it, it never happened.

Fact is, you will find very few newspaper reports dated prior to 1987 or so. It doesn't mean they do not exist.

Nobody ever claimed 'kimo sabe' was anything other than a Lone Ranger figure of speech.

Sheesh!

 

[Stacyhs]

It is, if it is KAREEM ABDUL JABBAR [=car].

The only people I ever heard using the expression, 'Kimo sabe?' interspersed with their normal speech were Cockney (and / or Kent) guys.

Just because you never heard it it doesn't mean it is not so. I had never heard of KAREEM ABDUL JABBAR until I saw it just now on a cockney dictionary.

People have a weird idea that all of history is recorded in google and if they cannot find it, it never happened.

Fact is, you will find very few newspaper reports dated prior to 1987 or so. It doesn't mean they do not exist.

Nobody ever claimed 'kimo sabe' was anything other than a Lone Ranger figure of speech.

Sheesh!

And you have failed to provide a scintilla of evidence that "kimo sabe" (correctly spelled "kemo sabe") is ever used by anyone (other than you) to mean "Do you understand". Did that dictionary where you found Kareem Adbul Jabbar" have "kimo sabe" in it? I'd say no as you'd have linked to it if it did.

Sheesh!