Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 27

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Hmmm...Amanda has written a best selling book, is in high demand to speak and writes for a real newspaper. This might bring out the Green Eyed Monster in some. Just sayin'.

Innocence project folk consider the Roanoke appearance to be valuable work. As well as Roanoke folk themselves.

Note: Vixen cannot name anyone in the innocence network who doubts Knox.
 
LOL. LJ and no one here has ever said such a thing. Try again.


It rather goes to show just how little Vixen - and, for that matter, apparently the convicting lower courts which were so thoroughly torn a new one by the Marasca SC panel - understands about the adversarial process, in which defendants are innocent until/unless proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of the crime(s) with which they are charged.

It was not - and was NEVER - the job of any court in the Knox/Sollecito trial process to decide "the truth" in this case. And it was most certainly never the job of any court in the Knox/Sollecito trial process to decide whether or not Guede committed the crime alone.

Rather, it was the sole job of all the courts in the Knox/Sollecito trial process to determine whether sufficient evidence, in its totality, proved beyond all reasonable doubt that Knox and Sollecito had indeed committed the various crimes with which each had been charged. If each of the courts in the process deemed that any one of the crimes with which each of Knox and Sollecito had been charged had been proven beyond all reasonable doubt, then (assuming they applied Italian law correctly in their decision making and treatment of evidence*) they should find for guilt on that particular charge. If the court found that insufficient evidence (meaning anything from zero evidence up to anything just short of hitting the BARD standard) had been produced, then the court should have found for non-guilt (and the preservation of the presumption of innocence) on that charge.

So, in fact, each of the courts in the Knox/Sollecito trial process was exclusively tasked with determining whether or not Knox and/or Sollecito committed the crimes with which they had been charged, according to whether the totality of evidence proved their guilt BARD on each of the charged crimes. It was NOT the task of these courts to opine on "what really happened".

Indeed - speaking hypothetically of course, and specifically NOT about this particular case - a court in any given criminal trial may believe that the defendant probably did commit the crime with which he was charged, but safely acquit on the correct basis that the evidence did not prove his guilt BARD. And that defendant might indeed factually have committed the crime. Or someone else altogether might have committed the crime. It is, however, not the job of the court to offer any narrative along those lines. Instead, it is the sole job of the court to acquit (and, in Italy, to give written reasons why it has acquitted - i.e. why in its view the evidence did not prove guilt BARD).

And THAT, Vixen, is why none of the courts in the Knox/Sollecito trial process ever had the remit to state that Guede was the sole perpetrator of this murder and the other related crimes.


* A factor in which the Massei, Chieffi and Nencini courts manifestly failed, and which the Marasca SC panel correctly addressed in its annulments (and, for that matter, a factor which many critical-thinking commentators here and elsewhere had identified and protested against for many years before the affirmation from the Marasca SC panel....)
 
Can one of you ask Amanda Knox when she will do an honest day's work instead of grifting off 'Innocence Projects'?

Same goes for Raff: has he really nothing better to do than design 'apps' to help people locate sunbeds and reserve them.

Get off your backsides and do some proper work!

Why the hell do you care what they do for a living? Frankly, it's none of your business. If I was Amanda or Raffaele and people wanted to pay me to speak I would be thrilled. Hey, if morons hadn't wrongfully imprisoned them for 4 years, this wouldn't be an option. But they did, so now people pay them.

Get used to it or get a life.
 
I'm sure they're all directing people to "lunge at Mignini" in Perugia after hearing Amanda "inciting violence"! BWAAHAAAHAAHAAAA!



My word, Quennell really has gone deep into the nutter Twilight Zone with his hysterical (in both senses of the word...) claims that Roanoke's Programs Director is a "mafia tool", owing to the fact that she's allowed Knox to propagate her "hate crimes" to an audience, and has thus put the very lives of certain Italian public officials (with Mignini heading the list) at risk!

I have little doubt that the senior staff at Roanoke are both weary and a little unnerved by the likely approaches they've received thanks to the coordinated efforts of the small, strange cadre of pro-guilt commentators. I really do hope that some of them have at least paid a visit to the two pro-guilt internet sites: as little as a few minutes' browsing on either site will prove extremely instructive as to the nature, motivation and state of mind of the participants.

And I hope Knox's talk goes (or has gone, by now) well. I hope she IS (was?) asked probing questions, and that she isn't avoiding the elephant in the room concerning her criminal slander conviction (and its resultant justification for the length of her imprisonment). If she does discuss that aspect, then the Roanoke students are in for an interesting tale of how Knox was entrapped (in the deliberate and unlawful absence of a lawyer) into naming Lumumba ("she buckled and told us what we already knew to be true" - remember that zinger?!), and how it's going to take the ECHR to pick that conviction apart and demand that Italy provides full remedy to Knox (which, considering that the remedy will be to remove all of Knox's statements, will effectively mean that Italy will have to annul Knox's conviction).
 
How come not one single court (apart from the expunged Hellmann one) concluded 'Rudy did it alone'.

You do not even know the basics of what each court found or did not find.

The Hellmann court wrote that it had no opinion as to whether or not Guede did it alone, as the only question before it was - did either Knox or Sollecito, or both, do it.
 
How come not one single court (apart from the expunged Hellmann one) concluded 'Rudy did it alone'.


Are you PIP now? Because you just asked the #1 PIP question in the history of this case. We all would like very much to know the answer as well :p
 
'Brass neck'.

It is a compilation by one guy. He doesn't even have 'brassic' in there. Does that mean Londoners do not use that term?

In addition, language constantly changes, slang comes and goes. The cockney guys I knew who used 'Kimo sabe' to mean, 'Do you speak English?'

The whole aim of Cockney villain slang is to speak in a code that the police wouldn't understand, and they even invented a backslang for this purpose.

(No, I am not cockney and I never followed the Lone Ranger, thanks for asking.)
You knew some cockney guys who misused a made up American Indian phrase from an American radio drama and you just repeat it without question? Why am I not surprised?
 
I just read John Douglas' expert profile analysis of the killer and how the murder occurred in 'The Forgotten Killer". He was spot on and described Guede to a "T". Of course, this is only because he is a PR shill who is willing to sacrifice his considerable and respected reputation as the "father of profiling" for the FBI for some girl he did not know and had absolutely no connection to whatsoever. He's just "bent".
 
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From VirginiaFirst, a short review of Knox's speech at Roanoke.

http://www.virginiafirst.com/news/local-news/amanda-knox-shares-her-story-at-roanoke-college/937904491

Very well received and many turned away.

It is the most trivial aside of all to note that Peter Quennell's harassment campaign against Roanoke, its staff and Knox had no impact, did not rate a mention.

For those harassed, they saw Quennell's PR campaign for what it was.

Poor Petey and his ragtag...and tiny...group of followers must be getting pretty tired of failing at their harassment attempts. I almost feel sorry for them. Almost. Nah.....
I wonder how they will spin this into a victory for them?
 
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From VirginiaFirst, a short review of Knox's speech at Roanoke.

http://www.virginiafirst.com/news/local-news/amanda-knox-shares-her-story-at-roanoke-college/937904491

Very well received and many turned away.
It is the most trivial aside of all to note that Peter Quennell's harassment campaign against Roanoke, its staff and Knox had no impact, did not rate a mention.

For those harassed, they saw Quennell's PR campaign for what it was.

According to the news report, Amanda Knox's talk was indeed very well received.

"Knox's case became an international media storm and she is currently working on a documentary about women publicly shamed by the media." I think one reason that the guilters are obsessed with Knox is that they envy her ability to communicate effectively, as their own communications make them appear to be hoaxers or self-deluding conspiracy theorists.

I'm surprised that the guilters have not remarked that Roanoke College is in Salem, Virginia... reminding us of a supposed connection to Salem, Massachusetts and witchcraft.

http://www.virginiafirst.com/news/l...shares-her-story-at-roanoke-college/937904491

"Amanda Knox speaks to a packed room at Roanoke College on Wednesday night about her battle with the Italian legal system and why truth matters."

""The controversy was so tantalizing," Knox said. "The story was so good. The truth didn't matter."

The case continues to captivate the world today, exemplified by the hundreds of people who turned out to the packed Olin Theater, an alternate venue set up to accommodate more people. A couple hundred still were turned away."

http://www.roanoke.com/news/local/s...cle_9f5cebc3-0201-5703-9c86-5c49b056c90a.html
 
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Can one of you ask Amanda Knox when she will do an honest day's work instead of grifting off 'Innocence Projects'?

I've got a better idea. Why don't you get off your backside and produce some reliable evidence of one person with actual involvement in Innocence Projects who says Knox is "grifting".

Just. One.
 
'Brass neck'.

It is a compilation by one guy. He doesn't even have 'brassic' in there. Does that mean Londoners do not use that term?

In addition, language constantly changes, slang comes and goes. The cockney guys I knew who used 'Kimo sabe' to mean, 'Do you speak English?'

The whole aim of Cockney villain slang is to speak in a code that the police wouldn't understand, and they even invented a backslang for this purpose.

(No, I am not cockney and I never followed the Lone Ranger, thanks for asking.)

I think you refer to cant, which is different from cockney slang.
 
Attention, Roanoke folks - let's then read the court documents:

Did Marasca-Bruno in 2015 (in the document explaining why they'd exonerated Sollecito and Knox} say "she was there"?


Marasca-Bruno agree with Sollecito's appeal that establishing a Time Of Death (something the lower court had not done) was crucial to assessing his alibi.


There is more. In short that exonerating report did not say that K/S had been there. It concluded with:


The matter of "Knox rubbed blood from her hands" was covered in the 2010 Massei report, which even while convicting them, then, the convicting judge had to concede that even the police's own scientific team could not make that determining on the evidence at the scene.

To the Roanoke folks: I can supply the cite if you wish to read it. But for sake of argument, this is how the 2015 exonerating court puts it:



There are major problems with Vixen’s claim Amanda washed Meredith’s blood off her hands. Amanda lived in the cottage which meant it was perfectly normal for Amanda to leave her DNA in her bathroom. How do you determine that DNA has been deposited in such a way that it could only come from washing blood off and not other activities such as normal washing and brushing teeth? If there was conclusive evidence Amanda had washed blood off her hands, why does Vixen need to lie repeatedly the supreme court said this when they didn’t? Where is the evidence from the prosecution proving conclusively that Amanda had washed blood off her hands? If Amanda had washed Meredith’s blood from her hands and the prosecution proved this without reasonable doubt, this would be damming slam dunk evidence. If the prosecution possessed slam dunk evidence, why did the prosecution have to resort to the tactics below which were clearly the methods police/prosecutors would resort to when they have a weak case and a lack of evidence. If the supreme court felt damming evidence existed which clearly indicated Amanda was involved in Meredith’s murder, why did they annul the conviction?

http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/raffaeles-kitchen-knife/
http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/contamination-labwork-coverup/
http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/meredith-kercher-perjury-corruption/
http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/evidence-destroyed/
http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/blood-evidence-downstairs-apartment/
https://knoxsollecito.wordpress.com...old-about-amanda-knox-and-raffaele-sollecito/
http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/myths.html
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11071314#post11071314

If Vixen genuinely believes what she says about Amanda washing off Meredith’s blood off her hands, why does Vixen constantly has to resort to falsehoods in her posts as detailed below if slam dunk evidence existed against Amanda?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11938562#post11938562
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11942852#post11942852
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11598412#post11598412
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11427461#post11427461
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11951893#post11951893
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=11982023#post11982023
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12107306#post12107306
 
So now Knox is giving advice to other convicts on murder/rape raps:

'When Brendan Dassey — whose conviction was questioned in the Netflix documentary series "Making a Murderer" — was being considered for release, his lawyer called Knox asking her for tips on what Dassey should do once he exits the prison door.'

Criminals Advice Bureau : proprietor Amanda Knox - leaflet available, how to get away with murder and paying damages the courts ordered you to pay.
 
So now Knox is giving advice to other convicts on murder/rape raps:



Criminals Advice Bureau : proprietor Amanda Knox - leaflet available, how to get away with murder and paying damages the courts ordered you to pay.
What is the purpose of these tiny slanders? Name one poster you've converted with such drive-by cheap shots?

Esp. when you refuse to express opinions on:

1. Was Peter Quennell correct when he said that despite losing his 2017 defamation suits against Gumbel and Sollecito, that Mignini had really won those suits and was (within a week) going to get an apology from them?

2. One forensic-DNA expert who supports the DNA forensics work that Stefanoni had originally done in this case? (You've never answered that question, you've always responded with word salads about how Stefanoni had never had any academic publishing to be peer reviewed. Aside from that being a tacit admission she does not have a Ph.D., that has nothing to do with anything.)

3. Can you name one person involved in the innocence network who doubts Knox?​
I think whaonellie has another question for you which you never answer.

How do you think Peter Quennell's recent harassment campaign against Roanoke college went?

Why not try some drive-by answers instead of the stuff above?
 
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So now Knox is giving advice to other convicts on murder/rape raps:



Criminals Advice Bureau : proprietor Amanda Knox - leaflet available, how to get away with murder and paying damages the courts ordered you to pay.

Me thinks thou art envious of Amanda. How many lawyers seek your advice? How many people would show up to hear you speak? My guess is not many.
 
You omit to mention that Marasca-Bruno ruled that Knox named Patrick to cover up for Rudy.

Of course she's not going to admit being in cahoots with Rudy. When a defendant does not admit a crime, hello? we have a trial.

Marseco-Bruno never said that Amanda named Patrick to cover up for Rudy. This is a falsehood by Vixen. PGP come up with the ludicrous notion posters should mention things which were not mentioned in motivation reports. Yet another "surely it is not humanly possible for people to be this stupid" moment,
 
Me thinks thou art envious of Amanda. How many lawyers seek your advice? How many people would show up to hear you speak? My guess is not many.

I think it bothers Vixen that Amanda's popularity and the interest in her story is so great that they moved the event to a larger auditorium and still hundreds had to be turned away because it was full. I think it bothers her that people now understand and believe she was wrongfully convicted and that they look to her as a respected subject matter expert. People have empathy for Amanda and that just annoys the hell out of her.

Apparently the event yesterday was a great success and I couldn't be happier for Amanda. I only wish I could have attended.
 
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