The Trump Presidency (Act V - The One Where Everybody Dies)

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3point14 said:
Ah yes, but abortions also prevented the birth of the wouldhavebeen infamous Boston babyeater, the Sacramento Schoolgirl strangler and the bloke that (would have) bombed the White House...
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Isn't there a correlation between the rise in abortion and the decline of the crime rate?
 
nelsondogg said:
How could god regret anything? Doesn't that imply he made a mistake, and thus is not perfect.
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Yes, and the problem for Biblical literalists is very extreme. Verse 29 of the same chapter, 1 Sam 15 plainly contradicts these earlier verses by stating
27 As Samuel turned to leave, Saul caught hold of the hem of his robe, and it tore. 28 Samuel said to him, “The Lord has torn the kingdom of Israel from you today and has given it to one of your neighbors—to one better than you. 29 He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a human being, that he should change his mind.”​
 
Minoosh said:
The more the merrier. I wonder how the Democrats are doing right now in terms of lining up talent and developing a marketing strategy.

As for Republicans - it's not a given IMO that the most extreme candidates will automatically prevail over moderates. Even Republicans might be getting tired of extremism. And I wasn't thinking solely of the 2018 election either. Times do change at some point. Plus, look what happened in Alabama.
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Roy "Not Technically a Paedophile" Moore lost by a minuscule margin?
 
They never offered solid gold to any previous president. Nobody was worth that. They totally love him, but I don't like him.
 
The White House has outlined an immigration plan that would allow 1.8 million people to become US citizens in exchange for funding of a border wall.

The framework was described by a senior Trump aide in a conference call to Republicans ahead of legislative negotiations with Democrats.

The proposed bill, to be unveiled on Monday, requests $25bn (£17.6bn) in funds for a wall on the Mexican border.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42825431
 
Captain_Swoop said:
The White House has outlined an immigration plan that would allow 1.8 million people to become US citizens in exchange for funding of a border wall.

The framework was described by a senior Trump aide in a conference call to Republicans ahead of legislative negotiations with Democrats.

The proposed bill, to be unveiled on Monday, requests $25bn (£17.6bn) in funds for a wall on the Mexican border.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42825431
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As much as I think the wall is a really stupid idea, I suspect that this is close to the best immigration compromise likely to come out of the Trump administration.
 
Civet said:
As much as I think the wall is a really stupid idea, I suspect that this is close to the best immigration compromise likely to come out of the Trump administration.
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Cotton and Perdue are eagerly out the gate praising it so it's likely to be DOA in the senate judging by that bellwether.
 
Civet said:
As much as I think the wall is a really stupid idea, I suspect that this is close to the best immigration compromise likely to come out of the Trump administration.
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He will have changed his mind by Saturday.
 
jimbob said:
Roy "Not Technically a Paedophile" Moore lost by a minuscule margin?
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Yes, but in a state where Republicans normally win by twenty points.

I'm going to be real curious about states that are much more evenly split like Arizona and Texas.
 
Civet said:
As much as I think the wall is a really stupid idea, I suspect that this is close to the best immigration compromise likely to come out of the Trump administration.
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I agree.

If Trump can be made to own the policy he'll find himself working with Democrats against Republican opposition, which could have all sorts of repurcussions. It's not as if Trump is actually a Republican, after all.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
The White House has outlined an immigration plan that would allow 1.8 million people to become US citizens in exchange for funding of a border wall.

The framework was described by a senior Trump aide in a conference call to Republicans ahead of legislative negotiations with Democrats.

The proposed bill, to be unveiled on Monday, requests $25bn (£17.6bn) in funds for a wall on the Mexican border.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42825431
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Heh. Schumer offers Trump the wall in exchange for DACA, Trump bites but then changes his mind and asks for more stuff. Schumer takes the wall off the table. Trump wants backsies and offers Schumer's original deal.

World class negotiation at work, folks.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
Heh. Schumer offers Trump the wall in exchange for DACA, Trump bites but then changes his mind and asks for more stuff. Schumer takes the wall off the table. Trump wants backsies and offers Schumer's original deal.

World class negotiation at work, folks.
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I didn't follow all of the details but I don't think Schumer's plan included scrapping chain migration for extended families and getting rid of the diversity lottery. Those details would make this unsupportable for many Democrats. I'm unclear on whether Trump's current proposal would include a merit-based system like he's endorsed before but Democrats have generally been cool to such ideas.
 
Why are we supposed to oppose chain migration? As a citizen, I want my parents, married children, and adult siblings in this country. Why do people oppose that?
 
BobTheCoward said:
Why are we supposed to oppose chain migration? As a citizen, I want my parents, married children, and adult siblings in this country. Why do people oppose that?
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Sometimes it's a version of the "they're not sending their best" concept that Trump advanced. I don't know that there's any evidence that chain migration leads to worse immigrants, but some people seem to believe it does.
 
Seems like what they want is to be able to import one member of a family, use them, then get rid of them. Adding family makes it so much harder to deport those you have used up.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Why are we supposed to oppose chain migration? As a citizen, I want my parents, married children, and adult siblings in this country. Why do people oppose that?
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The issue -- and you don't have to be a rabid right-winger to have some concerns -- is that each person admitted in the "chain" then has the right to get priority admission for others. Immediate family would usually be defined as your spouse and minor children. If you expand it to include your parents, each of them might have brothers and sisters, who might have their own spouses and children; your married children's spouses have parents and their own children; your siblings have spouses and children; etc., etc. How many people should be admitted based on your citizenship? There are limits to how many people are admitted to the U.S. every year, and quotas for each country. If your second- or third-step relative is given privileged admission, it reduces the odds for all the other people who might have better qualifications and skills than your relatives. And the process can take many years; you don't call your mom and say "Head for the airport."

And to be admitted legally and naturalized as a U.S. citizen is already a privilege that most people in the world can only dream of. How much do you think what you want should be allowed to affect the rest of us?

Some of Trump's claims are outlandish. But the fact is that most countries admit immigrants on the basis of education, skills, financial status etc., not who their relatives are. Try emigrating from the U.S. to Canada, the UK, Germany etc. and see what they ask you.

Here's one perspective:
https://www.numbersusa.com/solutions/end-chain-migration
 
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