The Trump Presidency (Act V - The One Where Everybody Dies)

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President Trump isn't the problem IMO, he's a symptom of the problem (a potent mix of selfishness, racism, xenophobia, fear of losing power, lack of respect for expertise and experts and inerrancy). If people start getting deported, President Trump's support will actually get a slight bump because the 35-40% who already love him will continue to love him and a proportion of the remainder will support him because he's a strong President, doing what he promised and protecting America. :rolleyes:

The people who will be incensed at the deportations are IMO already vehemently anti-Trump.

Well said.

Indeed. Nominated.
 
Hmmm, that's fodder for one of those alternate history books, ...

I feel like we've been in the "alternate history" for about the last year.


It would never sell all that well as a book. Too unbelievable.

Well, it didn't, anyhow, when Sinclair Lewis wrote it in the Thirties.

It's doing much better recently, now that it reads more like a documentary.
 
lomiller said:
Originally Posted by BobTheCoward
Real world experience is extremely faulty compared to evidence based approaches.
Since when are you interested ion evidence based approach? You’ve made it abundantly clearly you are only interested in your own idealized view of how the world should work and routinely dismiss evidence of how it actually works are being irrelevant to you.


I'm just a little bit curious where he thinks evidence comes from, if not the real world.

Not curious enough to ask him, though. I know the futility of that.
 
I'm just a little bit curious where he thinks evidence comes from, if not the real world.

Not curious enough to ask him, though. I know the futility of that.

It was short hand for approaches that explicitly use current best evidence versus those that rely on experiences of experts. The classic example is evidence based medicine versus individual doctors determining an approach they think is best for individual patients based on their experience (doctors are terrible skeptics and scientists).
 
About Trump's Commerce Secretary:

From: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/201...ecretary-keeps-falling-asleep-during-meetings
When Donald Trump first hired Wilbur Ross, he delighted in describing the 80-year-old investment mogul as a “killer.”...
But Ross’s fortunes have since taken a turn, with Forbes calling his billionaire status into question, and his stake in a Russian shipping company with ties to Vladimir Putin surfacing at the worst possible time. All this—along with what one source said is his unfortunate tendency to fall asleep in meetings (and to mop the resulting drool up with his tie)— has reportedly caused the president to sour on the man he was once so thrilled to employ.


"I am self funding and will hire the best people"
- Trump

ETA: So who has Trump appointed:
- Tillerson for Secretary of State, who had no prior government experience, and with an "unusual" friendship with Putin
- Sessions for Att. General, who once joked KKK people were fine until he found out they used pot
- Zinke, for secretary of the interior, who doubts human influence on climate change
- Carson for Housing, who has no experience with housing
- Devos, for education, who had no experience with public schools
- Flynn for National Security advisor, who had to resign (and, it should be noted, Obama advised against hiring)
- Pruitt for EPA, despite the fact that he actually sued the EPA multiple times
- Perry for energy, despite the fact that he didn't seem to know what the department did before he was appointed to lead it
- Mattis for defense, a guy who, previously, pushed the military to buy medical technology that was complete bunk
- Perdue for Agriculture, although when he was gov. he accepted illegal campaign contributions
- Mnuchin for treasury, had been a wall street executive (isn't Trump supposed to be against wall street?), and seems to be misusing government jets
- Ross, who can't stay awake during meetings

Anyone scandals I missed?
 
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"I am self funding and will hire the best people"
- Trump

ETA: So who has Trump appointed:
- Tillerson for Secretary of State, who had no prior government experience, and with an "unusual" friendship with Putin
- Sessions for Att. General, who once joked KKK people were fine until he found out they used pot
- Zinke, for secretary of the interior, who doubts human influence on climate change
- Carson for Housing, who has no experience with housing
- Devos, for education, who had no experience with public schools
- Flynn for National Security advisor, who had to resign (and, it should be noted, Obama advised against hiring)
- Pruitt for EPA, despite the fact that he actually sued the EPA multiple times
- Perry for energy, despite the fact that he didn't seem to know what the department did before he was appointed to lead it
- Mattis for defense, a guy who, previously, pushed the military to buy medical technology that was complete bunk
- Perdue for Agriculture, although when he was gov. he accepted illegal campaign contributions
- Mnuchin for treasury, had been a wall street executive (isn't Trump supposed to be against wall street?), and seems to be misusing government jets
- Ross, who can't stay awake during meetings

Anyone scandals I missed?

Don't forget about all the judicial nominees - you know, the ones the ABA said were not qualified?
 
So Trump is heading to Davos for an economic forum, but Melania will not be going (after initially saying she would). Supposedly its due to "scheduling and logistical problems", but since she initially planned to go, you have to wonder why scheduling would now be an issue.

Of course, the gossip is that it may have something to do with the president's alleged affair with a porn star.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/22/politics/melania-trump-davos/index.html
 
Melania may be having an affair. This could be an indication of that.
 
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Don't forget about all the judicial nominees - you know, the ones the ABA said were not qualified?


And also the set of advisers that have absolutely no experience in government, policy, or foreign relations. I'm talking to you, Jared and Ivanka.
 
Look, if paying hush money over an affair with a porn star doesn't even make a single one of his supporters blink and it doesn't even stary in the news cycle a few moments of his blatant racism isn't going to have any effect.


It does have an effect. It reinforces even more the support from the people who put him in the White House. They love that stuff.

That's among the reasons that sexual peccadilloes which would have the entire GOP screaming for blood if it were a Dem are just water off a duck's back. Those Trump supporters are way happier about having an overt bigot in office. It makes it easier for they to do the same thing.

And they probably wouldn't mind banging a porn star either, if they could do it without having to pay $130 grand.
 
Melania may be having an affair. This could be an indication of that.

To be honest, I feel like the whole Melania thing is that she was under the impression the election was a public relations stunt, this First Lady thing is the opposite of how she expected to spend the next four years.

I think she's just getting tired of it all.
 
To be honest, I feel like the whole Melania thing is that she was under the impression the election was a public relations stunt, this First Lady thing is the opposite of how she expected to spend the next four years.

I think she's just getting tired of it all.
But who's going to help solve the problem of Cyberbullying?
 
To be honest, I feel like the whole Melania thing is that she was under the impression the election was a public relations stunt, this First Lady thing is the opposite of how she expected to spend the next four years.

I think she's just getting tired of it all.
I can't disagree with your speculation.

She may have had an affair going even before the election. It's all speculation and guesses.
 
I'm not interested in effects of policies. I am capable of assessing the process of determining the effects and their probability of occurring. When a person points to very strong evidence of all the harm my policies will do, I agree with them.

IOW you don’t use facts as a basis for forming your position on issues. Therefor not fact based.
 
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