jsfisher
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Proof of Immortality, VII
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ferd burfle
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abaddon
Penultimate Amazing
Yah but my claim is....
Jabba
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CT,
- No -- but, you can.
Dave Rogers
Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through
Especially if you're too busy making content-free responses to random posts from over six months ago.
Dave
John Jones
Penultimate Amazing
You actually expect one of your critics to shore-up your arguments against criticism?
That goes beyond stupidity to asinine foolishness.
The Sparrow
Graduate Poster
It's because he wants content for his "map". He can create the illusion of having his ideas critiqued, but then defeating his critics.
The gall of it is quite astounding. It is a fascinating character study.
JayUtah
Penultimate Amazing
I gather he means that if one of his critics wants to echo the objections raised by the statisticians in the statistics forum, Jabba will address it. That raises some problems. The moderators have made it plain that ISF is not appropriately used as a proxy for discussions held elsewhere. Someone who wants to transplant a topic from that forum to this had better be prepared to continue it as a first-class point here. We certainly can't oblige members of that forum to come here.
I think our statistics colleagues fulfill a far greater purpose simply by being a control group by which to evaluate Jabba's manipulations and accusations of unfair treatment. He has suggested that a "neutral jury" would receive his proof favorably. This is a longstanding claim for him at ISF; he constantly accuses his critics of being too biased to see his purported genius. However it's easy to see that he had a neutral jury there, and they were not impressed. They proved quite adequately that Jabba's proof fails because Jabba is incompetent at mathematics, not because of some imaginary bias. They raised the right objections. But Jabba persisted in foisting his own made-up nonsense.
Less pertinent but certainly revealing is the fact that these otherwise dispassionate mathematicians independently came to the same conclusion regarding Jabba's approach: i.e., that he is pompous and rude. Jabba wants to blame all the rancor in his debate here on the supposed mean-spiritedness of his critics. But the evidence shows it's his behavior that's the problem.
Dave Rogers
Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through
The Sparrow
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Just got ****** news yesterday that my best work friend has cancer.
This is what it means Jabba. The biological machine that creates and fuels his sense of awareness is under threat. If that machine fails, his awareness will stop and be gone forever (which I do not want). If medical science can repair his machine, his awareness can hopefully continue for a while longer. (which I do want). All our machines will eventually give out, and all our awarenesses will stop being generated. Its just a case of when. Time to grow up Jabba and face that.
That's reality.
This is what it means Jabba. The biological machine that creates and fuels his sense of awareness is under threat. If that machine fails, his awareness will stop and be gone forever (which I do not want). If medical science can repair his machine, his awareness can hopefully continue for a while longer. (which I do want). All our machines will eventually give out, and all our awarenesses will stop being generated. Its just a case of when. Time to grow up Jabba and face that.
That's reality.
Jabba
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- I think that I really do have to give up to Jay -- I simply can't keep up with him.
- In addition, I will plan on ignoring everyone who tends only to insult me and my ideas. If you think that you might be in that group, but would like me to not ignore you, send me a PM saying that you will try to quit being insulting.
- I've been talking to you guys for almost 6 years now. I spend all the time I can justify doing just that. Most of you claim that I'm being rude when I don't respond to your questions and objections, but I only have 2 or 3 hours a day that I can justify, I've had over a hundred opponents targeting me with their objections and insults, often there are numerous objections and/or insults per post, and I find it hard to believe that you guys really believe that I'm being rude...
- Maybe 30,000 responses and a million views during that time?
- Anyway, I'm going back to responding to those of you who can keep your claims and insults down to a minimum per post.
- I'll try to dredge up all the different issues and sub-issues, and provide my best answers.
- I tried to get back into that statistics site I was in before, but must have done something wrong. I'll try again. I'd like to present them with my latest syllogism and see specifically where they disagree.
- In addition, I will plan on ignoring everyone who tends only to insult me and my ideas. If you think that you might be in that group, but would like me to not ignore you, send me a PM saying that you will try to quit being insulting.
- I've been talking to you guys for almost 6 years now. I spend all the time I can justify doing just that. Most of you claim that I'm being rude when I don't respond to your questions and objections, but I only have 2 or 3 hours a day that I can justify, I've had over a hundred opponents targeting me with their objections and insults, often there are numerous objections and/or insults per post, and I find it hard to believe that you guys really believe that I'm being rude...
- Maybe 30,000 responses and a million views during that time?
- Anyway, I'm going back to responding to those of you who can keep your claims and insults down to a minimum per post.
- I'll try to dredge up all the different issues and sub-issues, and provide my best answers.
- I tried to get back into that statistics site I was in before, but must have done something wrong. I'll try again. I'd like to present them with my latest syllogism and see specifically where they disagree.
That's sound like a point where a non-rude and intellectually honest person would admit their argument isn't valid.
That's what you already do Jabba. Except you define "insult" as "asks the most basic questions of you."
What? People have been asking you not to just ignore everyone who makes a valid criticism of your argument for years now. Why do you have to hear it in a PM?
Because you are.
No we're calling you rude because you, the self proclaimed master of effective debate, has the time to data dump all these roadmaps and charts and near page long posts of "Let's take stock of where everybody is at" but have yet to give a simple, 1 sentence response that even acknowledges, much less addresses, any of the countless valid criticism of your nonsense that have been made.
You could have answer at least a few basic questions in the time it took you to post this sad sacking martyrdom nonsense.
NOBODY BUYS THIS FRAZZLED OLD MAN ROUTINE.
And because you consistently lie about what your opponents agree with you about.
So you'll stick with picking one random person at a time to direct your nonsense at while not actually addressing anything anybody says.
You will do no such thing and you know it.
You'll do no such thing and you know it. You don't care why anyone disagrees with you because you aren't mature and intellectually honest enough to cope with it.
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John Jones
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Your logic is flimsy and your ideas are stoopid.
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
Your best answers have been demolished by JayUtah and others many times. You just admitted you have given up trying to respond to their criticisms. So you're done. You lost the argument. You need to find another hobby.
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RoboTimbo
Hostile Nanobacon
No, you simply have no answers to his list of fatal flaws. Please be honest about that.
Please send everyone who has posted in this thread a PM stating that you won't use your JILpu (Jabba Immortal Lie per usual) anymore. But only do so if you actually intend to no longer lie about the things that you have before. Otherwise, I accept your admission that you have failed.
Is that why yesterday you found a six month old post to give a one line response to and did nothing at all to respond to the fatal flaws in your argument?
Which validates all the posts finding flaws in your arguments.
Again, PM me and everyone else that you won't use your JILpu if you plan on discontinuing it. That's the one where you say that you agree that the sense of self is a process in the materialist model and then refer to it as if it were a countable thing.
No need to "dredge up" the fatal flaws and respond to those in the manner you were instructed. They have been referred to daily by multiple people and ignored as often by you.
I'd like a fringe reset, please.
Mojo
Mostly harmless
His "proof" is designed to "disprove" whatever hypothesis is designated as H. Stick "Jabba has a body and an immortal soul" in there and it "disproves" that.
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jond
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The jury will note that Jabba has acknowledged that he cannot answer JayUtah’s fatal flaws.
The jury will also note that Jabba has acknowledged that in the materialistic model, the existence of his body is all that is required to explain his sense of self. Jabba has also acknowledged that for reincarnation or immortality he requires an extra entity (a soul) in addition to his body. Jabba has also acknowledged that it is impossible for Botha body and a soul to be more likely than a body alone.
Therefore, the jury must conclude that Jabba’s continued insistence that immortality or reincarnation is more likely than the existence of his body alone is absurd.
The jury will also note that Jabba has acknowledged that in the materialistic model, the existence of his body is all that is required to explain his sense of self. Jabba has also acknowledged that for reincarnation or immortality he requires an extra entity (a soul) in addition to his body. Jabba has also acknowledged that it is impossible for Botha body and a soul to be more likely than a body alone.
Therefore, the jury must conclude that Jabba’s continued insistence that immortality or reincarnation is more likely than the existence of his body alone is absurd.
Belz...
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And yet you've spend the last five years insulting everyone else, and ignoring even those who are very polite with you. You can't give others the courtesy you're asking for yourself, and can't be expected to live by your word.
So cry me a river. No one is giving you the benefit of the doubt anymore.
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