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TheGoldcountry said:
As I tell my increasingly fascist nephew, the US IS a socialist country, and he would not like the alternative.
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I have one of those too but I don't dare talk politics with him. His dad, my brother, is conservative, but has some perspective on things and is really not much of a cheerleader for Trump. I'm worried about where my nephew is headed.

But he idolizes his grandfather, who fought Nazis, so that's something.

I used to think the right-left spectrum was pretty clear but I was wrong. In my schematic the right was personal rights, small government and maximum free market. On the left was collectivism and the "welfare state" (though not necessarily in a bad way). But then the social conservative/religious right movement rose up. I couldn't stand Roy Moore and it really wasn't about the allegations of sexual abuse. I have no patience with people who think the U.S. is or should be a Christian nation. Even if they are nice people, which Moore isn't.
 
Minoosh said:
He's an ethnic Jew; does that count?
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Of course! (Assuming you're an adherent of the Single Drop rule and think that The Jooz are a race and not a religion.)

The fact that someone who knows him (he lawyered at the foundation she managed) for years and knows he's a Bible-Thumper University grad and a Jews For Jesus convert would think to call him "A Jew" is just more indication of what an ignorant redneck she (and her husband) is(are).
 
Foolmewunz said:
Of course! (Assuming you're an adherent of the Single Drop rule and think that The Jooz are a race and not a religion.)

The fact that someone who knows him (he lawyered at the foundation she managed) for years and knows he's a Bible-Thumper University grad and a Jews For Jesus convert would think to call him "A Jew" is just more indication of what an ignorant redneck she (and her husband) is(are).
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Even their Jewish lawyers are born-again Christians!
 
Foolmewunz said:
Of course! (Assuming you're an adherent of the Single Drop rule and think that The Jooz are a race and not a religion.)

The fact that someone who knows him (he lawyered at the foundation she managed) for years and knows he's a Bible-Thumper University grad and a Jews For Jesus convert would think to call him "A Jew" is just more indication of what an ignorant redneck she (and her husband) is(are).
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To be fair, she claims it's another attorney

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/r...one-of-our-attorneys-is-a-jew/article/2645016

Of course Richard Jaffe voted for Jones.

ETA: :blush:
 
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Stacko said:
This has been covered.
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Doh... I misread the bit about who was the "Messianic Jew".

So they had a Jewish attorney, who voted against him. And another attorney who did vote for him who has been a (strong?) believer in three different faiths.

Hmm

Foolmewunz was right.
 
jimbob said:
Doh... I misread the bit about who was the "Messianic Jew".

So they had a Jewish attorney, who voted against him. .
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Jaffe was never an attorney for Moore, only for his son. But "Our son has a jewish attorney" doesn't sound quite as good.
 
jimbob said:
Doh... I misread the bit about who was the "Messianic Jew".

So they had a Jewish attorney, who voted against him. And another attorney who did vote for him who has been a (strong?) believer in three different faiths.

Hmm

Foolmewunz was right.
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Hilited: Ye-es! Can I get an "Amen!", here? Praise the Lord!



pgwenthold said:
Jaffe was never an attorney for Moore, only for his son. But "Our son has a jewish attorney" doesn't sound quite as good.
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You have to say it correctly for full effect "One of our attorneys is a Jew". "Jewish" while a cliche when coupled with "attorney" doesn't get that smarmy bible-thumpin' bigot thing working.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Hilited: Ye-es! Can I get an "Amen!", here? Praise the Lord!





You have to say it correctly for full effect "One of our attorneys is a Jew". "Jewish" while a cliche when coupled with "attorney" doesn't get that smarmy bible-thumpin' bigot thing working.
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Exactly. And you must realize that for Ms. Moore "Jew" is an ethnicity, not a religion. So her attorney is "a Jew" (draw out the word with a slight sneer on your face) no matter what religion he follows. She knows this because of his name, which is a crucial identifying trait among bigots. "What kind of name is that?" is really code by these people for "Just what kind of despicable minority are you?"
 
Giordano said:
She knows this because of his name, which is a crucial identifying trait among bigots. "What kind of name is that?" is really code by these people for "Just what kind of despicable minority are you?"
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Yeah, that is one of the stupidest things bigots I know do all the time. Back in the 80s a guy worked with me as a temp and made the comment that the CEO must be a Jew because his last name was Brooks (Garth Brooks wasn't known by most people then). The reality that our CEO was from an old line Northeast upper class protestant family was disbelieved by him because in his mind a name says it all.

In a humorous twist that showed how stupid this person was, he went back to under the table carpentry when the temp position ended. The next I heard about him was when he was caught by the IRS for buying a brand new pickup truck with $15K cash. He had claimed no income other than the one temp job for the past ten years. Of course he thought he could get a lesser penalty out of it by ratting out the employer. However the employer was smart enough to have filed all proper paperwork with the IRS saying the guy was a sub-contractor not employee. Never heard about the final outcome but the IRS was putting jail time on the table for flagrant tax evasion.
 
blutoski said:
I was buttonholed on a bus in September 2016 by a guy who clearly wanted to strike up a conversation with me about how great it is to be white. The opening line was about the yachts we saw out the window. "When trump wins, we'll all have one of those, you'll see." He was complaining about 'you know, them (armwave)' meaning nonwhite people, basically most people in Vancouver.

"Those darkies smoke that stuff in public. In public" - I deduced he meant black people smoke mj in public in Vancouver. Well, yeah, that's probably true. So do white people. Everybody does, it's perfectly legal. Meanwhile, I pointed out this guy was sucking on a bottle of gin in a paper bag on a public bus, which was 100% criminal. He waved his hands, "Trump will fix all that. He'll send 'em all back and we can do what we want, say what we want."

It brought the reality of it all home to me: socially, we have a long way to go, these people are out there, breeding quiverfulls, speaking cautiously for now, but waiting for their moment.

Dude was straight from Central Casting, and even today I wonder if it wasn't some sort of street performance art by a bored 75 year old actor between roles.
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I see your white racist and raise you a black man I met a few days ago in San Jose that thinks most white people should be killed. I doubt all black people feel that way though, and I doubt all white people agree with what that dumbass you met on the bus thinks either. Plenty of racism to go around.

You got a guy getting drunk from a paper bag (was he white too?) and an old guy who is an obvious long-time racist (darkies?). I'm not sure that bus is going to give you a good cross section of society. Then again, you were on it.

I think people are hypersensitive about all this racial stuff because it has been blown way out of proportion, mainly by the media. Isn't anyone else just sitting back and shaking their head at all the little marionettes dancing to their tune?

It reminds me of a Funhouse ride with all the jump-scares that frighten you for like 5 seconds and then you move on to the next one.

A KKK guy jumps out at you. EEEK!
A white racist - OMG!
Holy crap a nazi - RUN!
A nuke! AAAAAIIIIEEEEE!!!!

Then you get off the ride and everything is pretty much as it was when you got on. I'm waiting for people to gather their senses and start thinking but it isn't happening.
 
mgidm86 said:
I see your white racist and raise you a black man I met a few days ago in San Jose that thinks most white people should be killed. I doubt all black people feel that way though, and I doubt all white people agree with what that dumbass you met on the bus thinks either. Plenty of racism to go around.

You got a guy getting drunk from a paper bag (was he white too?) and an old guy who is an obvious long-time racist (darkies?). I'm not sure that bus is going to give you a good cross section of society. Then again, you were on it.

I think people are hypersensitive about all this racial stuff because it has been blown way out of proportion, mainly by the media. Isn't anyone else just sitting back and shaking their head at all the little marionettes dancing to their tune?

It reminds me of a Funhouse ride with all the jump-scares that frighten you for like 5 seconds and then you move on to the next one.

A KKK guy jumps out at you. EEEK!
A white racist - OMG!
Holy crap a nazi - RUN!
A nuke! AAAAAIIIIEEEEE!!!!

Then you get off the ride and everything is pretty much as it was when you got on. I'm waiting for people to gather their senses and start thinking but it isn't happening.
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As I've mentioned in other threads, it is easy to say this when one is a member of the majority and racism is therefore largely invisible in one's day to day life. I am (culturally) Jewish and I assure you that racism/anti-Semintism is definitely there. And being pale and only slightly matching the stereotype of how Jews should look, I suspect that I see only a small part of the anti-Semitism that is present. The people I know for whom their ethnicity is far more obvious, who are Black or Asian, tell me that instances occur to them weekly or more often. It is impossible for them to forget they are minorities.

I realize that conservatives would like to believe that there is virtually no racism left in the USA. So would I. Unfortunately the reality is quite different from the hope, and it is not the press or the "liberals" who are inventing racism. To avoid relying purely on anecdotal evidence (and even recognizing that you have dismissed the results of polls with which you disagree in other threads), there are many who do see the racism still existing in the USA. For example:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/blacks-white-racism-united-states-polls/index.html (note in particular how non-minorities tend not to see the racism that minorities experience).

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ions-deteriorating-reuters-poll-idUSKBN17U1JU

http://www.people-press.org/2017/10/05/4-race-immigration-and-discrimination/

In many ways the good news is that most people, when polled, want to abolish this racism and its effects. And that many, even those in the majority, can become aware of the racism that is present... if they put aside what they wish was true and open their eyes to what is actually there...

I recently watched a very good movie, called "I Am Not Your Negro" which is a documentary about James Baldwin and the 1960's civil rights movement. In it was a horribly embarrassing scene in which Mr. Baldwin is confronted on the Dick Cavett TV show in the 1960s by a white Harvard Professor who assures him that there is virtually no racism in the USA and that it was the Blacks who were inventing it- blowing it up out of proportion if you will. I highly recommend the entire movie- it is based on Baldwin's writings and speeches, which are beautiful prose, and is a fabulous review of the civil rights movement. It is not propaganda or polemic- just a nicely told story. I think it is on Netflix.
 
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I thought I should follow up my prior post by explicitly noting- I am not in anyway saying that only "Whites" can be racist. There are racist Blacks and Asians and Native Americans (and any other group one wishes to define- do I as Jewish count as "White" or, as Ms. Moore wishes, should I be put in a separate category?). Hell, people in New England view French-Canadians as possessing all the negative stereotypes that Confederate apologists in Alabama assign to blacks. It probably relates to how humans once lived in very small villages and viewed outsiders with suspicion and mistrust.

So I am not making "Whites" alone into devils. We are all devilish. But we need to recognize the demons in us to save the soul of our society.
 
mgidm86 said:
It reminds me of a Funhouse ride with all the jump-scares that frighten you for like 5 seconds and then you move on to the next one.

A KKK guy jumps out at you. EEEK!
A white racist - OMG!
Holy crap a nazi - RUN!
A nuke! AAAAAIIIIEEEEE!!!!
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The first three probably don't scare me, personally, as much as number 4 because I'm white!
Did you consider if that might have something to do with it?
 
mgidm86 said:
I see your white racist and raise you a black man I met a few days ago in San Jose that thinks most white people should be killed. I doubt all black people feel that way though, and I doubt all white people agree with what that dumbass you met on the bus thinks either. Plenty of racism to go around.

You got a guy getting drunk from a paper bag (was he white too?) and an old guy who is an obvious long-time racist (darkies?). I'm not sure that bus is going to give you a good cross section of society. Then again, you were on it.

I think people are hypersensitive about all this racial stuff because it has been blown way out of proportion, mainly by the media. Isn't anyone else just sitting back and shaking their head at all the little marionettes dancing to their tune?

It reminds me of a Funhouse ride with all the jump-scares that frighten you for like 5 seconds and then you move on to the next one.

A KKK guy jumps out at you. EEEK!
A white racist - OMG!
Holy crap a nazi - RUN!
A nuke! AAAAAIIIIEEEEE!!!!

Then you get off the ride and everything is pretty much as it was when you got on. I'm waiting for people to gather their senses and start thinking but it isn't happening.
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To add to what Giordano has pointed out - have you read the DoJ report into Ferguson PD?

Amongst the petty corruption, there was plenty of racial prejudice (literally pre-judice - as it included the court officials). Yet Ferguson had a lower disparity ration for its vehicle stops than the Missouri average.

It's utterly implausible that Ferguson was a uniquely bad apple, as opposed to fairly representative of similar police departments. That alone is sufficient to say that institutional racism is still a problem in parts of the US.

Maybe you are lucky and it isn't visible where you are. Maybe it is hard for a member of the majority to see it.
 
Giordano said:
Exactly. And you must realize that for Ms. Moore "Jew" is an ethnicity, not a religion. So her attorney is "a Jew" (draw out the word with a slight sneer on your face) no matter what religion he follows. She knows this because of his name, which is a crucial identifying trait among bigots. "What kind of name is that?" is really code by these people for "Just what kind of despicable minority are you?"
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Maybe I'm not one of "these people", but I often ask the origin of last names with which I am unfamiliar. I think you go too far when you suggest that such questions are suspect.
 
jimbob said:
Maybe you are lucky and it isn't visible where you are. Maybe it is hard for a member of the majority to see it.
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"I don't see it, therefore it doesn't exist/isn't a problem," is probably the quintessential expression of privilege and mainstream obliviousness.

For my part, when I was younger I tended to believe that racism was a minor curiosity, the realm of backwoods hicks and fringe nutcases; but more or less gone from mainstream society. Then I started reading and listening to minority voices, to black people, hispanic people, First Nations people, and so on. And when I really paid attention to their experiences, it became much more obvious how thoroughly ingrained racism still is in mainstream American culture. The violent racism is far less common than it was in the '50s and '60s (but seems to be having a resurgence of popularity), but subtle, sneering, patronizing racism is still endemic.

I think what really clinched it for me was finally coming to terms with, and coming out as, a transgendered person. Once I did that, I became more acutely aware of how pervasive transphobia is in American culture, not just mainstream culture, but so many different subcultures and under-cultures. Constantly being the butt of jokes, being snidely acknowledged as this sort of person who is protected by certain socio-political conventions, but is not worthy of any consideration or courtesy or respect beyond the minimum mandated responsibility to pretend that such a person as myself is an equal member of a society that underneath that pretense would prefer that I did not exist.

That was an "a ha" moment, that enabled me to more easily understand what other groups endured, and made me become more skeptical regarding claims of living in a "post-racial" society, and more skeptical of the white mainstream portrayal of minority experiences.
 
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