Shooting near Denver - multiple cops down

[William Parcher]

Multiple officers shot, suspect at large, bomb squad, SWAT on scene in Douglas County

One Douglas County deputy died and four more wounded along with two civilians Sunday morning at a Highlands Ranch apartment complex. The shooter was also shot and is believed dead, the Sheriff’s Office said in a tweet at 9:32 a.m.

Not sure about the confirmed status of the shooter.

https://www.denverpost.com/2017/12/31/officers-down-and-swat-on-scene-in-douglas-county

 

[baron]

Daily event in the US, is it not?

 

[William Parcher]

Daily event in the US, is it not?

Shootings, yes. Shootings with multiple deputies shot are not so common.

 

[JoeMorgue]

One deputy confirmed killed. 6 others (4 police and 2 civilians) reported as wounded.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/31/us/colorado-shots-fired/index.html

 

[William Parcher]

Odd that there's no confirmation on the shooter. Still saying "believed to be dead".

 

[casebro]

Odd that there's no confirmation on the shooter. Still saying "believed to be dead".

They won't know for sure until they are done shooting him.

 

[Toke]

Sounds a bit inconsistent to me.

The gunman who killed one Douglas County deputy and wounded four others ambushed the law enforcement officers as they responded to a domestic disturbance call at a Highlands Ranch apartment complex, Sheriff Tony Spurlock said Sunday.

Four deputies arrived at the gunman’s home in the Copper Canyon Apartments at the same time. They were immediately shot, and they called for backup. All were wearing bulletproof vests but were struck in unprotected parts of their bodies.

First it is called an ambush.

The deputies were let into the apartment by one of the two men, who were roommates. The deputies were having a conversation with the two men when the suspect decided to barricade himself in a bedroom and soon after opened fire with the burst that killed Parrish and wounded the other officers, Spurlock said.

Then it is a conversation gone off the rails.

Perhaps the deputies were acting in an threatening manner and he feared for his life.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I wouldn't read to much into it. Early reports and reports during the actual event are almost always a mess.

And let's not let emotions from the other thread leak in here okay?

I'm (and I hope everyone else is as well) against people being shot without probable cause, be they civilians or police. Nothing in my opinions about police misconduct in anyway reduces my sadness and sympathy for this event.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

I wouldn't read to much into it. Early reports and reports during the actual event are almost always a mess.

And let's not let emotions from the other thread leak in here okay?

I'm (and I hope everyone else is as well) against people being shot without probable cause, be they civilians or police. Nothing in my opinions about police misconduct in anyway reduces my sadness and sympathy for this event.

Seconded.

 

[Hungry81]

This isn't even remotely newsworthy. .



https://youtu.be/zZIbpexA4g8


Thats freedom in action baby. This should be the NRA's anthem.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Sorry for the cynicism but my reaction at this point:

White guy, after a standoff, opens fire and the cops were caught off guard.

There was an account the standoff lasted 30 minutes, not exactly consistent with how the shots occurred. If it was a standoff, how were the cops ambushed?

Black guys who are unarmed and innocent, no benefit of the doubt, cops shoot first on the flimsiest of movements.

Maybe police training needs a bit more emphasis on innate biases that are getting innocent people and cops killed?

 

[bluesjnr]

It's hardly surprising that, from time to time, members of the death squads police force are going to get some back.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Sorry for the cynicism but my reaction at this point:

White guy, after a standoff, opens fire and the cops were caught off guard.

There was an account the standoff lasted 30 minutes, not exactly consistent with how the shots occurred. If it was a standoff, how were the cops ambushed?

Black guys who are unarmed and innocent, no benefit of the doubt, cops shoot first on the flimsiest of movements.

Maybe police training needs a bit more emphasis on innate biases that are getting innocent people and cops killed?

OK this needs some updating but the main point remains the same, when it's a white guy they aren't ready for being shot at.

 

[sadhatter]

Sorry for the cynicism but my reaction at this point:

White guy, after a standoff, opens fire and the cops were caught off guard.

There was an account the standoff lasted 30 minutes, not exactly consistent with how the shots occurred. If it was a standoff, how were the cops ambushed?

Black guys who are unarmed and innocent, no benefit of the doubt, cops shoot first on the flimsiest of movements.

Maybe police training needs a bit more emphasis on innate biases that are getting innocent people and cops killed?

I'm really into tactics so I have to ask.

By your statement you know of a safe effective, quick way to breach a barricaded room mid ambush. That is *********** awesome, please explain it, I'd love to know the details.

Otherwise it would seem you are trying to wedge in some racial rant in a situation that has no connection to racial politics.

 

[sadhatter]

OK this needs some updating but the main point remains the same, when it's a white guy they aren't ready for being shot at.

And how does one become ready in that situation?

Your point would stand if no black man had killed a cop yet. But if you want to open that can of worms, we can.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

...
Your point would stand if no black man had killed a cop yet. But if you want to open that can of worms, we can.

Bull.

What I have seen is video after video of cops not shooting white people they encounter, of giving them the benefit of the doubt, and video after video of the cops killing unarmed black men and boys in negligent split second decisions.

Clearly bias is affecting police judgement and everyone, cops and civilians, would be better served if the police would address the bias affecting their assessments.

Not that there aren't exceptions, for example the recent shooting of that poor man who they were shouting confusing instructions to all the while being ******** making unnecessary threats telling the guy his life depended on an absurd deference to police power.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Here is the account from the police FB page:

Timeline:
Douglas County Dispatch initially received the report of a “verbal disturbance” call at the location at approximately 3:00 a.m. involving two males. Both males were at the apartment, one male said the suspect was acting bizarre and might be having a mental breakdown. Deputies cleared the scene at 3:44 a.m., no crime had been committed at that time. Deputies were called back to the scene at 5:14 a.m. and the first officer arrived on scene at 5:17a.m. Three additional officers also arrived on scene, the last one arriving at 5:35am. One male had left the scene prior to officer’s arrival. The male returned to the scene and gave officers a key and permission to enter the apartment, but then left the scene prior to the shooting. At 5:56 a.m., four officers were hit by rifle rounds from the suspect’s bedroom. Three of the deputies were able to get to safety, however, the fourth officer, Deputy Parrish, was not able to retreat. Due to the amount of gunfire along with sustained injuries, the three injured deputies were not able to get to Parrish for an immediate rescue.

So here you have police that had already been to the apartment once. They go back, use keys to open the door and enter the apartment whereupon the shooting started, an ambush through the bedroom door.

Think of all the shootings we've seen where the police shoot first, or call SWAT in, where they would not have entered that apartment like they did.

Bad decision on the cops' part. I'm not addressing the bias so much as how that bias makes the police less safe as well as young black men.

 

[casebro]

Here is the account from the police FB page:So here you have police that had already been to the apartment once. They go back, use keys to open the door and enter the apartment whereupon the shooting started, an ambush through the bedroom door.

Think of all the shootings we've seen where the police shoot first, or call SWAT in, where they would not have entered that apartment like they did.

Bad decision on the cops' part. I'm not addressing the bias so much as how that bias makes the police less safe as well as young black men.

So the guy is home in bed, minding his own business, gets awoken by somebody claiming to be the police, already in his house.

 

[casebro]

Bull.

What I have seen is video after video of cops not shooting white people they encounter, of giving them the benefit of the doubt, and video after video of the cops killing unarmed black men and boys in negligent split second decisions.

Clearly bias is affecting police judgement and everyone, cops and civilians, would be better served if the police would address the bias affecting their assessments.

Not that there aren't exceptions, for example the recent shooting of that poor man who they were shouting confusing instructions to all the while being ******** making unnecessary threats telling the guy his life depended on an absurd deference to police power.

I don't see how any of that could possible have any selection bias on anybosdy's parts. Nosiree, no selection bias at all. On anybody's parts. Not much. Hardly.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

So the guy is home in bed, minding his own business, gets awoken by somebody claiming to be the police, already in his house.

No.

More will come out about the earlier call to the house and his social media rants.