Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 27

[Bill Williams]

Knox and Sollecito were found guilty of Aggravated Murder after a fair trial, which was upheld on Appeal. It was a slam dunk verdict.
The acquittal was by a couple of geriatrics (the 'junior' judge,Bruno, was >80) who sat for a couple of days, giving Bongiorno two and a half days to bend their ears, whereas all the other parties were restricted to twenty minutes each to present their skeleton arguments.

At least you now admit it was an acquittal.

 

[Bill Williams]

Popular destination for serious criminals due to its lack of extradition treaties with other countries, inlcuding specifically Italy.

And yet Raffaele went back to Italy. So what's your point.

I wish posts here would be moderated as if this were a skeptic's site. Right now it's a "let's make evidenceless assertions" website, where the standard of proof is to assert, "it's a well known fact that....."

 

[bagels]

Knox and Sollecito were found guilty of Aggravated Murder after a fair trial, which was upheld on Appeal. It was a slam dunk verdict.

The acquittal was by a couple of geriatrics (the 'junior' judge,Bruno, was >80) who sat for a couple of days, giving Bongiorno two and a half days to bend their ears, whereas all the other parties were restricted to twenty minutes each to present their skeleton arguments.

Much of Bruno's scribblings, only signed off by senior Judge, Marasca after six months was heavily edited down to just 54 pages - as predicted by me, that it would be short, sweet and highly abstract, as there really was NO genuine point of law to stand on.

Marasca-Bruno rehashed issues that were res judicata (already finally settled by Chieffi Supreme Court) and hung their reasoning on 'investigative amnesia' and 'press influence' (when Italy does not proscribe this).

Not being able to process basic factual events in the order and way in which they proceeded is a troubling concern you may want to speak with somebody about. Not me though because I don't care.

 

[Methos]

Knox and Sollecito were found guilty of Aggravated Murder after a fair trial, which was upheld on Appeal. It was a slam dunk verdict.

The acquittal was by a couple of geriatrics (the 'junior' judge,Bruno, was >80) who sat for a couple of days, giving Bongiorno two and a half days to bend their ears, whereas all the other parties were restricted to twenty minutes each to present their skeleton arguments.

Much of Bruno's scribblings, only signed off by senior Judge, Marasca after six months was heavily edited down to just 54 pages - as predicted by me, that it would be short, sweet and highly abstract, as there really was NO genuine point of law to stand on.

Marasca-Bruno rehashed issues that were res judicata (already finally settled by Chieffi Supreme Court) and hung their reasoning on 'investigative amnesia' and 'press influence' (when Italy does not proscribe this).

Well, we've been through most of this before, so just a little bit of research on the highlighted part:

For Dr. Gennaro Marasca the following is stated in the "BOLLETTINO UFFICIALE del Ministero della Giustizia" dated 15.3.2013 (page 6):

Decreta la nomina a Presidente di Sezione della Corte Suprema
di Cassazione, a sua domanda, del dott. Gennaro MARASCA, nato a Napoli il 4 dicembre 1944, magistrato ordinario di settima valutazione di professionalità, attualmente consigliere della Corte Suprema di Cassazione, previo conferimento delle funzioni direttive giudicanti di legittimità.

For Dr. Paolo Antonio Bruno the following is stated in the "BOLLETTINO UFFICIALE del Ministero della Giustizia" dated 15.7.2018 (page 5):

Decreta la nomina a Presidente di sezione della Corte di Cassazione, a sua domanda, del dott. Paolo Antonio BRUNO, nato a Reggio Calabria il 12 marzo 1952, magistrato ordinario di settima valutazione di professionalità, attualmente consigliere della Corte di Cassazione, previo conferimento delle funzioni direttive giudicanti di legittimità.

Just for the record:
Dr. Gennaro Marasca Curriculum Vitae
And an interesting article about Dr. Bruno:
Csm nomina giudice reggino Paolo Bruno Presidente di sezione della Corte di Cassazione

 

[Bill Williams]

The acquittal was by a couple of geriatrics (the 'junior' judge,Bruno, was >80)

Well, we've been through most of this before, so just a little bit of research on the highlighted part:

Just for the record:
Dr. Gennaro Marasca Curriculum Vitae
And an interesting article about Dr. Bruno:
Csm nomina giudice reggino Paolo Bruno Presidente di sezione della Corte di Cassazione

This is perhaps the main reason why Vixen should stop reading at Peter Quennell's TJMK website, and stop listening to the "cut-and-paste" author Nick van der Leek.

Basic information seems to go astray. Italian Supreme Court Judge Dr. Bruno was 63 at the time of the acquittal in 2015, and Dr. Marasca was 70. The "junior judge" was not ">80", but then again why should any of us care. Accuracy has not been the guilters' long-suit.

The Italian Supreme Court reversed the Nencini conviction on the law, on such things like that Nencini's court substituted itself for the experts, and that Nencini allowed such a wide range for T.O.D. that it did not afford the defendants a chance to pursue their alibi defences.

Nencini also stunned the Italian system by writing that Raffaele Sollecito's DNA had been found on the knife, a factoid which had never once been claimed by Giuliano Mignini, Comodi, Judge Massei, Patrizia Stefanoni, or Crini. In effect by acquitting the Italian Supreme Court said that it is against Italian Criminal procedure to convict someone by citing evidence which does not exist.

The best thing for Vixen at this point would be to stop reading Peter Quennell's fantasies. PQ now has it that Judge Boninsegna (the judge who'd acquitted Amanda Knox on defamation charges against the police) is in the hip pocket of the Italian Mafia.

No one else in the whole world claims that - with the possible exception of Giuliano Mignini himself. Such is the agenda of Mignini-surrogates.

 

[Numbers]

Well, we've been through most of this before, so just a little bit of research on the highlighted part:

For Dr. Gennaro Marasca the following is stated in the "BOLLETTINO UFFICIALE del Ministero della Giustizia" dated 15.3.2013 (page 6):


For Dr. Paolo Antonio Bruno the following is stated in the "BOLLETTINO UFFICIALE del Ministero della Giustizia" dated 15.7.2018 (page 5):


Just for the record:
Dr. Gennaro Marasca Curriculum Vitae
And an interesting article about Dr. Bruno:
Csm nomina giudice reggino Paolo Bruno Presidente di sezione della Corte di Cassazione

This is perhaps the main reason why Vixen should stop reading at Peter Quennell's TJMK website, and stop listening to the "cut-and-paste" author Nick van der Leek.

Basic information seems to go astray. Italian Supreme Court Judge Dr. Bruno was 63 at the time of the acquittal in 2015, and Dr. Marasca was 70. The "junior judge" was not ">80", but then again why should any of us care. Accuracy has not been the guilters' long-suit.

The Italian Supreme Court reversed the Nencini conviction on the law, on such things like that Nencini's court substituted itself for the experts, and that Nencini allowed such a wide range for T.O.D. that it did not afford the defendants a chance to pursue their alibi defences.

Nencini also stunned the Italian system by writing that Raffaele Sollecito's DNA had been found on the knife, a factoid which had never once been claimed by Giuliano Mignini, Comodi, Judge Massei, Patrizia Stefanoni, or Crini. In effect by acquitting the Italian Supreme Court said that it is against Italian Criminal procedure to convict someone by citing evidence which does not exist.

The best thing for Vixen at this point would be to stop reading Peter Quennell's fantasies. PQ now has it that Judge Boninsegna (the judge who'd acquitted Amanda Knox on defamation charges against the police) is in the hip pocket of the Italian Mafia.

No one else in the whole world claims that - with the possible exception of Giuliano Mignini himself. Such is the agenda of Mignini-surrogates.

I thank Methos for looking up the real information on Judges Marasca and Bruno.

Here are Google translations (with my help) of the Italian quotes from Methos' posts:

"Decrees the appointment as President of a Chamber [Section] of the Supreme Court of Cassation, in its request, dr. Gennaro MARASCA, born in Naples on December 4, 1944, ordinary magistrate of the seventh assessment [level] of professional [rank], currently adviser of the Supreme Court of Cassation, conferring the functions [according to the] directives of judicial legitimacy."

"Decrees the appointment as President of a Chamber [Section] of the Court of Cassation, at its request, of dr. Paolo Antonio BRUNO, born in Reggio Calabria on March 12, 1952, ordinary magistrate of the seventh assessment [level] of professional [rank], currently adviser of the [Supreme] Court of Cassation, conferring the functions [according to the] directives of judicial legitimacy."

So again, the guilters are fabricating false statements. Marasca was 70 years old, and Bruno 63 years old, at the time (March, 2015) that the Marasca - Bruno CSC panel finally acquitted Knox and Sollecto.

The reason the guilters continually fabricate falsehoods about the case is that although they have no valid arguments contradicting the final acquittal of Knox and Sollecito, they refuse to admit this truth, and thus fabricate in order to continue their malicious PR campaign against Knox and Sollecito.

 

[Bill Williams]

So again, the guilters are fabricating false statements. Marasca was 70 years old, and Bruno 63 years old, at the time (March, 2015) that the Marasca - Bruno CSC panel finally acquitted Knox and Sollecto.

The reason the guilters continually fabricate falsehoods about the case is that although they have no valid arguments contradicting the final acquittal of Knox and Sollecito, they refuse to admit this truth, and thus fabricate in order to continue their malicious PR campaign against Knox and Sollecito.

It's so needless, and the lies are awkward and easily exposed.

I mean, why lie about the judges' ages? Why? Why not just stick to the conspiracy theory that they've been bought off?

At least that would require a lot more digging to disprove, even before considering that the nutters haven't demonstrated their allegations to begin with.

Why tell the awkward and easily exposed lie?

 

[Vixen]

At least you now admit it was an acquittal.

Erratum: That should, of course, read, 'annulment'.

 

[Vixen]

Well, we've been through most of this before, so just a little bit of research on the highlighted part:

For Dr. Gennaro Marasca the following is stated in the "BOLLETTINO UFFICIALE del Ministero della Giustizia" dated 15.3.2013 (page 6):


For Dr. Paolo Antonio Bruno the following is stated in the "BOLLETTINO UFFICIALE del Ministero della Giustizia" dated 15.7.2018 (page 5):


Just for the record:
Dr. Gennaro Marasca Curriculum Vitae
And an interesting article about Dr. Bruno:
Csm nomina giudice reggino Paolo Bruno Presidente di sezione della Corte di Cassazione

According to wiki, he was born 1935.

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Bruno

PS It's 'Dr.' now is it?

 

[Bill Williams]

Erratum: That should, of course, read, 'annulment'.

Thank you for admitting your error, although I do not believe you were wrong.

In acquitting the pair in 2015, this is what the Marasca-Bruno, Supreme Court said should have happened:

8.1. An element of evidence of unchallengeable relevance - for the reasons explained hereinafter - is represented by the total absence of biological traces attributable with certainty to the two defendants in the murder room or on the body of the victim, whereas, instead, abundant traces surely attributable to Guede have been found.

This was an insurmountable monolithic barrier on the path taken by the fact-finding judge to arrive at the conviction of the present defendants, already acquitted previously for the murder by the Court of Appeals of Perugia.​

In essence, the Italian Supreme Court said in 2016 that the Hellmann court had been right to acquit the pair. There may have been reason for Chambers 1 of the Supreme Court to reverse that acquittal in 2013, however none of those reasons cited in the Chieffi report overcame the basic fact of the case:

Hellmann's court had been correct in 2011 to acquit. Nothing cited by the 2013 Chieffi court nor the 2014 Nencini court overcame that basic fact.

An element of evidence of unchallengeable relevance - for the reasons explained hereinafter - is represented by the total absence of biological traces attributable with certainty to the two defendants in the murder room or on the body of the victim....​

 

[Bill Williams]

PS It's 'Dr.' now is it?

Yes. By Italian convention, anyone with a 1st degree from an Italian university can call themselves "Dr.". Like Stefanoni.

 

[Methos]

According to wiki, he was born 1935.

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Bruno

PS It's 'Dr.' now is it?

Do you even read the pages you link to?

Professione: avvocato, funzionario pubblico

Judging from the picture on wikipedia and the one in the article I linked to above, I'd say you've got the wrong person...

PS At least according to the Motivations report (page 1)

 

[Stacyhs]

Slick Pete has been busy again. Now there is not only a Sollecito/Mafia link but, apparently, a Knox/Mafia link:

We have long explained the direct Sollecito/mafia link. That has been in motion since 2010 and the bent Hellman and Marasca/Bruno courts were the results.

Now a direct Knox/mafia link is emerging also.

To Knox’s advantage, the Boninsegna court was bent as well. That was the Florence court which in 2016 heard complaints form the Questura staff about how she mischaracterized the “interrogation” at trial.


It ruled for Knox. What?!?! The report has to be the dopiest explanation of the entire case

It is dopier even than the Marasca/Bruno report. Did Boninsegna (who has known mafia ties, the reason he is in Florence was to get him away from his chums in the south) ready ANY of the court transcripts at all!?

TJMK Dec. 28, 2017

What is this "explanation of the Sollecito/Mafia link"? That there just happened to be a Canadian mobster with the same last name?
Per the usual PGP tactic, Petey makes allegations against Boninsegna without providing any evidence. Quelle surprise.

You are kidding right? Rocco Sollecito Godfather of the Canadian mob, assassinated in his car, is a close relative of Francesco, who was seen attending his memorial service in Bari (from whence both of them hail).

Raff himself was pictured sunbathing on Republic of Dominican beaches (in the middle of his Appeal hearings) with a wellknown mobster.

Popular destination for serious criminals due to its lack of extradition treaties with other countries, inlcuding specifically Italy.

Exactly what is the "close" relationship between Rocco and Francesco? First cousins? Second? Third? According to Ergon, the two "appear" to be cousins because they "share a familial resemblance" and are "from Bari". No evidence or citation for them being "close relatives" is given at all. Are they somehow related? Probably, as they share a surname and hail from the same town. But that is no evidence that Dr. Sollecito had any connection to Rocco's mafia ties. This is simply wishful thinking on Ergon's and your part. Frankly, I think Rocco looks more like Mignini than Dr. Sollecito.

As for Dr. Sollecito being seen at the memorial service for Rocco in Bari, that never happened (which is why no evidence for this is given by you). The proposed memorial service never happened. It was cancelled.

An archbishop and a local police chief in southern Italy have forced the scrapping of a public memorial mass for Rocco Sollecito, a reputed Montreal Mafia boss who was shot dead near Montreal

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-mafia-rocco-sollecito-mass-cancelled-1.3913273

A Catholic bishop in Italy has intervened to stop a memorial mass for Rocco Sollecito, a murdered senior Mafia leader who helped run the most powerful organized crime cartel in Canada’s history.

“I forbid you to celebrate Holy Mass tomorrow … and I ask you not to take similar initiatives in the future without my permission,” reads a letter from Archbishop Francesco Cacucci.

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada...co-sollecito-kiboshed-by-catholic-authorities

No evidence is given for the allegation against Boninsegna either. Once again, not surprising. You really should stop just accepting everything you read on TJMK as fact.

 

[Stacyhs]

And an interesting article about Dr. Bruno:
Csm nomina giudice reggino Paolo Bruno Presidente di sezione della Corte di Cassazione

Here is the translation for the article linked above. Despite Vixen's and the nutters' best efforts to disparage Dr. Bruno's legal abilities, the following disproves them:

Csm appoints judge of Reggio Calabria Paolo Bruno as President of the Chamber of Cassation
By resolution passed unanimously yesterday, the Superior Council of Magistracy appointed the judge of Reggio Calabria Paolo Bruno as President of the Chamber of Cassation.
This is a prestigious executive position, which marks an important stage in a bright and rewarding career.

After entering the Magistrature at the age of twenty-five, President Bruno began his judicial activity at the Court of Vibo Valentia to move, after a few years, to the Court and then to the Court of Appeal of Reggio Calabria, standing out for preparation and professionalism. , both in the civil and criminal sectors.
For three years he presided over the Corte d'assise reggina, defining three processes of national importance: the "Cosa Nostra" trial for the murder of the magistrate Nino Scopelliti; two trials against Calabrian crime, for the murders of the President of the Ferrovie dello Stato Vico Ligato and the baron Antonino Cordopatri.

Winner of a competition for titles and processional merits, in 1998 Dr. Bruno has moved to Rome, at the Office of the Massimario (study office) of the Court of Cassation. Appointed director, he was assigned to the Fifth Criminal Section where he was involved, as a member of the judging panel or speaker, some of the most important trials of Italian judicial history: the G8 of Genoa, the massacre of Piazza della Loggia of Brescia, countless processes of organized crime and terrorism; the murders of Marta Russo, Marco Biagi, Merdith Kercher and Chiara Poggi.
He was the author of judgments of great importance, such as the sentence for the murder of prof. Marco Biagi by the Red Brigades; the sentence against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, accused of the murder of Meredith Kercher; several rulings on corporate and bankruptcy matters, most recently on the subject of "false valuation".

Since 2013, it is part of the United Penal Sections, the highest jurisdictional body of the Supreme Court, called to rule on the jurisprudential contrasts between the different sections and on legal issues of particular importance.

Since 1986 he has also been a member of the tax commission, now president of the section of the provincial commission of Rome.

 

[Stacyhs]

A judge has just tossed out the murder conviction of Kirsten Lobato with prejudice. She is freed. As in the Knox case, the police pursued an unlikely suspect with dogged tunnel vision, an inept investigation, and a highly suspect witness.

 

[bagels]

A judge has just tossed out the murder conviction of Kirsten Lobato with prejudice. She is freed. As in the Knox case, the police pursued an unlikely suspect with dogged tunnel vision, an inept investigation, and a highly suspect witness.

I guess the judge wanted to spare the prosecutor the embarrassment of trying to argue flies don't like corpses in Las Vegas.

 

[Methos]

Here is the translation for the article linked above. Despite Vixen's and the nutters' best efforts to disparage Dr. Bruno's legal abilities, the following disproves them:

Csm appoints judge of Reggio Calabria Paolo Bruno as President of the Chamber of Cassation
By resolution passed unanimously yesterday, the Superior Council of Magistracy appointed the judge of Reggio Calabria Paolo Bruno as President of the Chamber of Cassation.
This is a prestigious executive position, which marks an important stage in a bright and rewarding career.

After entering the Magistrature at the age of twenty-five, President Bruno began his judicial activity at the Court of Vibo Valentia to move, after a few years, to the Court and then to the Court of Appeal of Reggio Calabria, standing out for preparation and professionalism. , both in the civil and criminal sectors.
For three years he presided over the Corte d'assise reggina, defining three processes of national importance: the "Cosa Nostra" trial for the murder of the magistrate Nino Scopelliti; two trials against Calabrian crime, for the murders of the President of the Ferrovie dello Stato Vico Ligato and the baron Antonino Cordopatri.
Winner of a competition for titles and processional merits, in 1998 Dr. Bruno has moved to Rome, at the Office of the Massimario (study office) of the Court of Cassation. Appointed director, he was assigned to the Fifth Criminal Section where he was involved,[in] as a member of the judging panel or speaker, some of the most important trials of Italian judicial history: the G8 of Genoa, the massacre of Piazza della Loggia of Brescia, countless processes of organized crime and terrorism; the murders of Marta Russo, Marco Biagi, Merdith Kercher and Chiara Poggi.
He was the author of judgments of great importance, such as the sentence for the murder of prof. Marco Biagi by the Red Brigades; the sentence against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito, accused of the murder of Meredith Kercher; several rulings on corporate and bankruptcy matters, most recently on the subject of "false valuation".

Since 2013, it is part of the United Penal Sections, the highest jurisdictional body of the Supreme Court, called to rule on the jurisprudential contrasts between the different sections and on legal issues of particular importance.

Since 1986 he has also been a member of the tax commission, now president of the section of the provincial commission of Rome.

Thank you for the translation.
Looks Dr. Bruno is indeed what PQ likes to call an "Anti-Mafia judge".

Just for the record: AFAIK it was "Dr." Mignini mouthpiece Andrea Vogt who brought up the "Anti-Mafia" stuff in this article: Amanda Knox is a convicted killer: the decision is (almost) final:

Frankly, it makes a mockery of the Italian magistrates who professionally managed this appeal, and who regularly risk their lives prosecuting the mafia in that very same courtroom. Has American arrogance ever been so bold? Have the western media ever been so complicit in such an orchestrated public relations sham?

(I just love the fake outrage shown by Ms Vogt here...)

As a sitenote: PQ of TJMK must have been aware of the strill.it article and with it Judge Bruno's career since at least May 2nd, 2016, since they used the article's picture of Judge Bruno to "illustrate" Chimera's post titled: Revenge “On” The Knox: Judges Bruno And Marasca Of The Supreme Court Strike Back...

 

[Numbers]

Do you even read the pages you link to?

Judging from the picture on wikipedia and the one in the article I linked to above, I'd say you've got the wrong person...

PS At least according to the Motivations report (page 1)

The guilters must really have some issues with not reading their references.

The Italian Wikipedia article for the Paolo Bruno born in 1935 in Mottafollone, Italy, calls him "è un politico e avvocato italiano". That is, "he is an Italian politician and lawyer". The text under his photograph, on the right, states clearly that he is a member of the Italian Parliament, Chamber of Deputies ("Deputato della Repubblica Italiana"). He is not a judge, and one cannot be a judge and a member of parliament in Italy at the same time.

So, again, the guilters are using fabrications in place of valid arguments, because they have no valid arguments. The other nonexclusive possibility is that the guilters have an inability or unwillingness to actually read the references that they (almost never) cite.

 

[Vixen]

Exactly what is the "close" relationship between Rocco and Francesco? First cousins? Second? Third? According to Ergon, the two "appear" to be cousins because they "share a familial resemblance" and are "from Bari". No evidence or citation for them being "close relatives" is given at all. Are they somehow related? Probably, as they share a surname and hail from the same town. But that is no evidence that Dr. Sollecito had any connection to Rocco's mafia ties. This is simply wishful thinking on Ergon's and your part. Frankly, I think Rocco looks more like Mignini than Dr. Sollecito.

As for Dr. Sollecito being seen at the memorial service for Rocco in Bari, that never happened (which is why no evidence for this is given by you). The proposed memorial service never happened. It was cancelled.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-mafia-rocco-sollecito-mass-cancelled-1.3913273

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada...co-sollecito-kiboshed-by-catholic-authorities

No evidence is given for the allegation against Boninsegna either. Once again, not surprising. You really should stop just accepting everything you read on TJMK as fact.

There was a discreet memorial service. What was banned was the traditional parade through the streets. Can't stop people from calling a church service.

 

[abaddon]

According to wiki, he was born 1935.

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Bruno

PS It's 'Dr.' now is it?

Yes. DR it is. Your ilk will simply dwindle into internet obscurity and there is nothing you can do to stop it. You personally may not like that much, and likely will resort to an ever decreasing circle of mirrors. But your cause will fade and die. And so it should. The movement was born out of hate, and in hate it will die.

Nobody cares anymore.