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skyeagle409 said:
What can you tell us about the UFO Lakenheath incidents of 1956?
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Nothing... I was less that a year old

skyeagle409 said:
Not from the East gate! In addition, Inwent out my way to provide photo evidence that it was impossible to see the lighthouse from the East gate, not to mention that my assist on an Air Force also confirmed the lighthouse cannot seen from the East gate and to further add, the lighthouse has a light-blocking panel facing the base. How long has that lighthouse been in operation? Any similar reports from the East gate before the 1980 incidents? If not, then you have some explaining to do considering Air Force personnel were long aware of that lighthouse yet no reports in the forest from the East gate on the level of the Rendlesham case. Please explain that.
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But from the point in Rendlesham Forest where the UFO was first sighted (where the rabbit scratchings were) it was a direct line-of sight to the lighthouse.

All the later malarkey was doubling down on the hoax.

skyeagle409 said:
The Lighthouse

http://www.roswellproof.com/files/orfordness_lighth.jpg

Where’s the Lighthouse?

http://www.roswellproof.com/files/ren_eastgrd1981.jpg
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I don't click on links to websites run by any branch of the Stupidati, especially the branch known as Flying Saucer nutcases.

skyeagle409 said:
That is completely false and I know that as a fact. Explain why the British MoD sought to cover up the Rendlesham case. Ask them about Col. Halt’s memo.
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No, it is completely true, and I know that as a fact.

(see how convincing that phrasing is)

There is nothing to explain because there was no cover up. You are just making things up out of whole cloth.

skyeagle409 said:
I have, over the years, warned UFO skeptics about those skepticle websites. One UFO skeptic in another Roswell forum was using Tim Printy’s website in his argument against me. He soon tired of my repeated debunking of Tim’s website and personally contacted Tim and brought Tim into the burning frying pan and when the smoke cleared, Tim Printy was forced to make a correction on his own website after I presented evidence that he was barking up the wrong tree.
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None of which is relevant in any way the the Rendlesham Forest Hoax

skyeagle409 said:
Initially I thought you were referring to the Socorro UFO landing case where tripod depressions were examined. That was another UFO landing case that impressed the U.S. government.
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No, you're just straight up lying now to cover your tracks (no pun intended).

YOU WERE referring to the marks in Rendlesham Forest, very clearly.
 
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Donn said:
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Hey look! Aliens landed.
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Just because UFOs are observed by ground visual/airborne visual and ground radar/airborne radar entering and leaving earth's atmosphere at 'impossible' speeds and maneuvering 'impossibly', and or, stopped in air and hovering over missile silos while missile controls are manipulated 'inexplicably', and or, (etc etc etc) per numerous DOD reports, doesnt mean that Arthur Exon, former commanding officer of Wright-Patterson AFB, who said that the Roswell incident involved extraterrestrials knew what he was talking about.

Same goes for DOD pilots reporting outmaneuvered while chasing UFOs. What do they think they know ? Who are they to make conclusions?

Nor does it prove that the various DOD analysts, studies and spokespersons (admirals, generals, pilots quoted in this thread) concluding extraterrestrial intelligence this and interplanetary phenomena that could be correct in their 'extraterrestrial' conclusions either.

The lot of them are just "arguing from authority", after all.

Just because space is big and just because some say the commute is too lengthy doesnt mean someone did not arrive long ago (or find a shortcut), and has not been in the neighborhood ever since, making things, tinkering with dna. Whatever.

Lest one be jeered as short sighted, one should not assume visitors may not have been camping out discreetly right here on planet earth (not even extraterrestrial then, since arrival) all along, (or in our neighborhood) being known/seen only as they wish....just as we could, (and likely would) given enough time to become sufficiently more advanced than others.

Some already are well practiced at doing some of this kind of (tinkering) stuff in our research labs, being known/seen only as they wish. Thats a different matter though.
 
Even if all the pilots and dod reports saying UFOs behave as intelligently controlled, we cannot assume where they originate. Likewise we cannot assume the nature of such intelligence ie 'who' controls them, remotely or 'piloted'. The universe is big, old and riddled with surprises. Relatively speaking, we dont know Jack.

We do know that we dont know what all dod/govt and other nations powers know. We cannot know what they keep us from knowing. We dont know how much of what they say is true or not.
 
Non-radioactive Rendlesham rabbit scrapings @ the landing site? I think not!


Britain’s 15 page X-Files quietly released by the Ministry of Defence

AN OFFICIAL government UFO dossier of 15 files has been released by the Ministry of Defence and gives details of mysterious incidents in British skies.

An official government UFO dossier that’s referred to as “Britain’s X-Files” has finally been released.

The National Archive has opened up a cache of 15 files from the Ministry of Defense that divulge details of mysterious incidents in British skies.

They include material relating to an unsolved encounter that’s been likened to the Roswell UFO incident in America.

The incident took place in December 1980, when three military personnel claimed to see flashing bright lights and a triangular object near a Royal Air Force base in Rendlesham Forest, Suffolk, about 100 miles northeast of London.

What’s more, there are an additional three files which have still not been released, according to Nick Pope, a former civil servant who worked for the Ministry of Defense.

Last year, an American airman involved in the incident won a legal bid to force military health chiefs to pay for the treatment of injuries he claimed to have sustained at Rendlesham Forest.

“In citing the [MoD radiation documents] and in granting John Burroughs full disability for his injuries in Rendlesham Forest, the US Government has by de facto acknowledged the existence of unidentified aerial phenomena which, in John Burroughs’ case, resulted in physical injury,” his lawyer Pat Frascogna said.

The Rendlesham Forest incident took place in December 1980 over several nights.

On Dec. 26, 1980, military personnel at the twin bases of Royal Air Force Bentwaters and Royal Air Force Woodbridge in Suffolk saw a strange light in Rendlesham Forest, which lies between the two bases.

Three men were sent out to investigate and two of them encountered a small, triangular craft.

Two nights later a deputy base commander, Lt. Col. Charles Halt, and his team encountered the UFO.

He said later: “Here I am, a senior official who routinely denies this sort of thing and diligently works to debunk them, and I’m involved in the middle of something I can’t explain.”
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I might add that military radar controllers have now confirmed they tracked the UFO over the area.
 
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This is the CIA's FIOA Reading Room:

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/

Type "UFO" into the search engine and you'll get 15 pages of documents. Most are from the 1950's which were declassified in 1978, but a few are as recent as 2015.

Since the CIA spies on other counties none of these reports come from the US, and a bunch are from the Soviet Union.

They are just reports, no conclusions are made. There are few White Papers in there where the topic is discussed in abstract.

For fun you can also search for Remote Viewing, Parapsychology, ESP, and so on.

For those who want to get a grasp on how the CIA feels about these subjects all you have to do is type in "Bigfoot", and all kinds of position papers on Woo.
 
Axxman300 said:
This is the CIA's FIOA Reading Room:

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/

Type "UFO" into the search engine and you'll get 15 pages of documents. Most are from the 1950's which were declassified in 1978, but a few are as recent as 2015.

Since the CIA spies on other counties none of these reports come from the US, and a bunch are from the Soviet Union.

They are just reports, no conclusions are made. There are few White Papers in there where the topic is discussed in abstract.

For fun you can also search for Remote Viewing, Parapsychology, ESP, and so on.

For those who want to get a grasp on how the CIA feels about these subjects all you have to do is type in "Bigfoot", and all kinds of position papers on Woo.
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The Soviet Union has had its share of UFO incidents and they have confirmed that UFOs have interfered with U.S. missiles as well, and that is where I come in because my base was involved the investigation in the Malmstrom AFB incident where Air Force security personnel reported a saucer hovering over the area whereas, our missiles shutdown. The cause was from an electromagnetic pulse from outside the shielded cables, and what are UFOs known for? Generating electromagnetic pulses. It was also determined that nothing man-made was responsible.
 
skyeagle409 said:
That is completely false and I know that as a fact. Explain why the British MoD sought to cover up the Rendlesham case.
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The Ministry of Defence didn't cover it up. That's why a UFO fan club went to the forest to measure the radioactivity two years later and didn't find any.

You are now lying continuously.

1) Why did the magic radiation that Halt claimed to have found magically disappear?
2) How was this magic radiation any different to normal background radiation, anyway?
3) Why are the UFO landing indentations exactly the same size and depth as the thousands of other rabbits scrapings in Rendlesham forest?
4) Why did Halt change his account three times?
5) Why did the base CO state Halt was lying?
 
skyeagle409 said:
The Soviet Union has had its share of UFO incidents and they have confirmed that UFOs have interfered with U.S. missiles as well,
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What good luck. I speak Russian.

Link me to your best Russian UFO case where the GRU states UFOs interfered with US missiles?

You made similar claims on the Skeptic Society Forum and ran away every time you were asked to provide evidence.:D
 
What a load of codswallop. Here's my cred's Sky Eagle. Ex Air force Officer assigned to ADC in 1964,1965, 1966, 621st TCS Udorn RTAFB, 1967. I was (take your pick) a weapons director/intercept director/weapons controller. They are pretty much the same thing. First 2 years secret clearence, second two top secret. Our main duty was of course protecting the US from the Commie hordes. What we did on a daily basis was run practice intercepts with fighters in our sector. In Thailand our primary duty was KC 135 tanker hookups with aircraft ingressing and egressing North Viet Nam. Also lots of Laos secret war stuff. Udorn was about 30 clicks from the Mekong.

In the States at that time we used a computerized system known as SAGE. Air traffic ID section received all flight plans of aircraft entering the US in our sector (all of the southeast from the Texas Louisiana border to coastal Georgia down to the Florida keys.) If someone was flying into US airspace and was tracking red we would scramble two. Let's make this clear the, local police, the CIA, the FBI or towns folk did not ask us to scramble. If I was the WD I would tell my tech to call Homestead AFB and off the fighters would go. They were under our control until they locked on to the target or got a visual at which time they would call “Judy” and take over.

Off the Coast of Florida is the Bahamas, everybody in Florida's favorite vacation spot. If you are in an aircraft enering the US from the Islands you needed to file a flight plan with the FAA. If not you would have the status "unknown" not UFO. 99.9 % of our scrambles were on aircraft like this. The rest usually commercial aircraft somewhat off course.

During those four years there was not one mention of a UFO, none, nada, zip. I'm trying to picture FAA controlers alowing a jet fighter running all over the sky at all kinds of altitudes and speeds in and out of traffic lanes for commercial air traffic. 3-5 miles separation is common. If they were low then VFR would work but low and slow traffic aren't on the lookout for Mach 1.6 aircraft. You are looking at a major disaster.

Here's the sum up. We were the guys who needed to know about this. It was what ADC did, it was our responsibility and we had a briefing every shift change and if you mentioned UFO you would have been laughed out of the blockhouse.
 
fibbermcgee said:
What a load of codswallop.
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Yes. Skyeagles stories are indeed, a load of codswallop. You will note he doesn't supply citations or supporting documentation. He also makes up many of his stories on the spot. He made some hilarious claims on the Skeptic Society Forum.

"There are many examples of countries and their leaders taking sides with the UFO community. I think Japan is or was recently in the news because of the prime minister and his wife and UFOs. Then there was the somewhat recent Argentina incident."

" Note: I didn't mean Argentina, I meant Chile."

Skyeagle was asked to supply these governments official documents supporting the UFO community. He ran away. :)
 
fibbermcgee said:
What a load of codswallop. Here's my cred's Sky Eagle. Ex Air force Officer assigned to ADC in 1964,1965, 1966, 621st TCS Udorn RTAFB, 1967. I was (take your pick) a weapons director/intercept director/weapons controller. They are pretty much the same thing. First 2 years secret clearence, second two top secret. Our main duty was of course protecting the US from the Commie hordes. What we did on a daily basis was run practice intercepts with fighters in our sector. In Thailand our primary duty was KC 135 tanker hookups with aircraft ingressing and egressing North Viet Nam. Also lots of Laos secret war stuff. Udorn was about 30 clicks from the Mekong.

In the States at that time we used a computerized system known as SAGE. Air traffic ID section received all flight plans of aircraft entering the US in our sector (all of the southeast from the Texas Louisiana border to coastal Georgia down to the Florida keys.) If someone was flying into US airspace and was tracking red we would scramble two. Let's make this clear the, local police, the CIA, the FBI or towns folk did not ask us to scramble. If I was the WD I would tell my tech to call Homestead AFB and off the fighters would go. They were under our control until they locked on to the target or got a visual at which time they would call “Judy” and take over.

Off the Coast of Florida is the Bahamas, everybody in Florida's favorite vacation spot. If you are in an aircraft enering the US from the Islands you needed to file a flight plan with the FAA. If not you would have the status "unknown" not UFO. 99.9 % of our scrambles were on aircraft like this. The rest usually commercial aircraft somewhat off course.

During those four years there was not one mention of a UFO, none, nada, zip. I'm trying to picture FAA controlers alowing a jet fighter running all over the sky at all kinds of altitudes and speeds in and out of traffic lanes for commercial air traffic. 3-5 miles separation is common. If they were low then VFR would work but low and slow traffic aren't on the lookout for Mach 1.6 aircraft. You are looking at a major disaster.

Here's the sum up. We were the guys who needed to know about this. It was what ADC did, it was our responsibility and we had a briefing every shift change and if you mentioned UFO you would have been laughed out of the blockhouse.
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Nice to see someone else in this thread "in the trade" so to speak, although your experience seems far more extensive and on point that mine.

Your post confirms something that most of us here understand, that our current resident Flying Saucer "enthusiast" has no idea what he is talking about, and makes up stuff on the hoof when challenged.
 
skyeagle409 said:
Just to let you know that you just told me that you don't know the rest of the story. Had you done further research using the FOIA, you would have found that rabbits had nothing to do with it and that a determination was made the object weight around 8 tons and that is what reallly impressed the government investigators and the object described has also been described in other UFO sightings.

Once again, don't just rely on the Internet and let me know how much you don't know. Just use the FOIA to get the rest of the picture of what you did't know!! Declassified govenment documents will tell the rest of the story.
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You sure put quite a lot of faith and trust in what the US government gives you.
What sort of magic, wonder woman lasso compels the government to release documents obtained through the FOIA channels to be truthful/original and not just a rabbit-hole, wild goose chase to keep UFO believers and enthusiasts busy?
 
....if you believe that.

Which type or group is more known for triumphant parroting of govt releases when it serves their stance?

career pilots

career govt types

statists (for lack of a better term)

pseudo skeptics (for lack of a better term)

so called conspiracists (for lack of a better term)

it is bias that gets in the way so until actual proof is found this discussion goes round and and round like a merry go round.
 
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