Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 27

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From the 2015 Italian Supreme Court ruling:


Now, Bill...you know that was an inadvertent error left in by a clerk according to Vixen. An error that has been repeated in Italian official court judgments as previously provided in this forum*. I provided five or six court judgments ruling under 530 par.2 using the phrase "for not having committed the act" or "did not commit the act" in continuation 26, pages 75 and 76. You'd think those court clerks would have learned by now that "for not committing the act" is just not part of art.530, paragraph two. Vixen has proven that time and again by providing evidence. Oh, wait...

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È legittima la qualificazione quale memoria difensiva ex art. 121, comma 1, cpp dell' appello incidentale dichiarato inammissibile che sia stato proposto dagli imputati già assolti in primo grado per non aver commesso il fatto, ai sensi dell'art. 530, comma 2, cpp, al fine di ottenere l'assoluzione in base al comma 1 del medesimo articolo. (Annulla con rinvio, Ass.App. Brescia, 18/01/2013)


Qualification is legitimate as defensive memory ex art. 121, paragraph 1, cpp of the incidental appeal declared inadmissible that was proposed by the defendants who had already been served at first instance for not having committed the case, pursuant to art. 530, paragraph 2, cpp, in order to obtain the acquittal under paragraph 1 of the same article. (Cancel with Referral, Ass.App Brescia, January 18, 2013)
Continuation 26, post #2862

Vixen later tried to dismiss this as only being from a "lower court".
 
Doug Preston has announced that "Monster of Florence" will begin filming this summer on his Facebook page. There are going to be some very pissed off PGP. Awwwwww....

" The movie being made of my book, THE MONSTER OF FLORENCE, is due to start shooting in Italy this summer. I should have news for you soon on who will star in it.
--Doug"
 
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Doug Preston has announced that "Monster of Florence" will begin filming this summer on his Facebook page. There are going to be some very pissed off PGP. Awwwwww....

" The movie being made of my book, THE MONSTER OF FLORENCE, is due to start shooting in Italy this summer. I should have news for you soon on who will star in it.
--Doug"

LOL! The only downside is that this gives the nutters new life to call anti-Mignini stuff the result of paid shills.
 
LOL! The only downside is that this gives the nutters new life to call anti-Mignini stuff the result of paid shills.

First Netflix. And now Hollywood has fallen victim to the massive, multimedia PR machine. Or is it the Mafia? Or the Masons? I've lost track.
 
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Is there any news about Guede's appeal to the CSC of the decision by the Florence Appeal Court declaring his request for a revision trial "inadmissible"? According to the guilters, this request for revision by Guede was supposed to (somehow) overthrow the Marasca CSC panel acquittal of Knox and Sollecito.

The latest Italian news I have found by Google search refers only to the Florence Appeal Court decision:

"Omicidio Meredith, respinta la revisione del processo
10 Gen 2017
FIRENZE – La Corte d’appello di Firenze ha dichiarato “inammissibile” la richiesta di revisione presentata dall’ivoriano Rudy Guede, condannato per l’omicidio di Meredith Kercher a 16 anni. La Corte ha condannato Guede al pagamento delle spese.."

"Murder Meredith, rejected the review [revision] of the trial
10 Jan 2017
FLORENCE - The Court of Appeal of Florence has declared "inadmissible" the request for revision presented by the Ivorian Rudy Guede, condemned for the murder of Meredith Kercher and sentenced to 16 years in prison. The Court ordered Guede to pay the costs."

Source of Italian text: http://www.novaradio.info/tag/processo/
Translation by Google with my help.
 
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Ladies and nutter conspiracists, start your engines. George Clooney's, "The Monster of Florence," starring Clooney as author Douglas Preston, is going to be filmed.

For the rest of us - expect the nutter PR campaign to defend Giuliano Mignini to go into overdrive and cast slurs against Preston and Clooney for the next few years.

Read this The Atlantic article: a short form of Douglas Preston's run in with Mignini, where Mignini tried to pin crimes on Preston and Mario Spezi for interfering in the Monster of Florence investigation.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2006/07/the-monster-of-florence/304981/

Preston's interrogation, where he's presented by Mignini with audio of secretly taped phone conversations, reads a lot like the interrogation of Amanda Knox - chief amongst it all is Mignini purposely misunderstanding a common English idiom (cf "See you later" in the Knox interrogation).

The Atlantic said:
He played the recording again, stopping at several words and demanding to know what Spezi or I meant, as if we were speaking in code, a common Mafia ploy. I tried to explain that the conversation meant what it said, but Mignini brushed my explanations aside. His face was flushed with a look of contempt. I knew why: he had expected me to lie, and I had met his expectation. I stammered out a question: Did he think we had committed a crime at the villa?

Mignini straightened up in his chair and, with a note of triumph in his voice, said, Yes.”

“What?”

You and Spezi either planted, or were planning to plant, false evidence at that villa in an attempt to frame an innocent man for being the Monster of Florence, to derail this investigation, and to deflect suspicion from Spezi. That is what you were doing. This comment—We did it all’—that is what he meant.

I was floored. I stammered that this was just a theory, but Mignini interrupted me and said, “These are not theories. They are facts!” He insisted I knew perfectly well that Spezi was being investigated for the murder of Narducci, and that I knew more about the murder than I was letting on. “That makes you an accessory. Yes, Dottor Preston,” Mignini insisted, “I can hear it in your voice. I can hear the tone of knowledge, of deep familiarity with these events. Just listen.” His voice rose with restrained exaltation. Listen to yourself!”​
How many times here on this thread on ISF/JREF have you heard that either Amanda Knox or her mother, or in one case the whole of Seattle, were SPEAKING IN MAFIA CODE?

The "framing of an innocent man" also plays in the Kercher murder debacle, albeit in that case Mignini managed to get even the ISF to agree that Knox, and not Mignini, should have been held responsible for that.

"We did it all" is a comment that Mignini lifts out of context on the secret telephone recording, and imbues false meaning to it. Although Mignini was not the one who had initially imbued false meaning to Knox's "See you later" text to Lumumba, he certainly did not shut it down either.

As Douglas Preston eventually said, Mignini is obsessed with satanic sex theories in crimes. So even though Mignini had not specifically used those terms in relation to Amanda Knox, he'd found plenty of of ground surrounding Hallowe'en to get his favourite point in play.

It's going to be a fun time in 2018 having the guilt-nutters, Mignini-surrogates going all ga-ga over the coming film. Maybe they'll unearth this now deleted YouTube video of Mignini at a "Satan and the Law" conference?





Yup, we're going to make Continuation 50 - no sweat.
 
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It's hard to think that Douglas Preston had presented all this about Mignini in 2006! 2006!!

Note the familiar tactics Mignini managed to get away with:

The day of (Spezi's) arrest, Mignini asked for and received a special dispensation to invoke a law that is normally used only for terrorists or Mafia dons who pose an imminent threat to the state. For a period of five days Spezi was denied access to his lawyers, kept in a tiny isolation cell under conditions of extreme deprivation, and grilled mercilessly. It was noted in the press that Spezi’s treatment was harsher than that of Bernardo Provenzano, the Mafia “boss of bosses” captured in Sicily a few days later.​

Also note how Chief Inspector Michele Giuttari is also part of this vendetta against Spezi - Giuttari being hand in glove with Mignini.

Any of this sound familiar? This is how Spezi described his own ordeal, and they were words later to apply to Sollecito and Knox, both being rather unremarkable personalities caught up in Mignini's fantasies:

For more than a year, I have been the victim not just of half-baked police work, but of what could be said to be authentic violations of civil rights. This phenomenon—which pertains not just to me, but to many others—brings to mind the most dysfunctional societies, such as one might expect to find in Asia or Africa.​
Indeed, the "amnesiac" police work was eventually noted by the Italian Supreme Court as one of its reasons for annuling Knox's and Sollecito's convictions.
 
Is there any news about Guede's appeal to the CSC of the decision by the Florence Appeal Court declaring his request for a revision trial "inadmissible"? According to the guilters, this request for revision by Guede was supposed to (somehow) overthrow the Marasca CSC panel acquittal of Knox and Sollecito.

The latest Italian news I have found by Google search refers only to the Florence Appeal Court decision:

"Omicidio Meredith, respinta la revisione del processo
10 Gen 2017
FIRENZE – La Corte d’appello di Firenze ha dichiarato “inammissibile” la richiesta di revisione presentata dall’ivoriano Rudy Guede, condannato per l’omicidio di Meredith Kercher a 16 anni. La Corte ha condannato Guede al pagamento delle spese.."

"Murder Meredith, rejected the review [revision] of the trial
10 Jan 2017
FLORENCE - The Court of Appeal of Florence has declared "inadmissible" the request for revision presented by the Ivorian Rudy Guede, condemned for the murder of Meredith Kercher and sentenced to 16 years in prison. The Court ordered Guede to pay the costs."

Source of Italian text: http://www.novaradio.info/tag/processo/
Translation by Google with my help.

The latest I have found is this one "Omicidio Kercher, Guede chiede alla Cassazione di riaprire il processo. L’ivoriano in permesso premio a Perugia" from February 18th, 2017:
Rudy Guede tenta l’ultima carta, quella della Cassazione. Gli avvocati che lo difendono infatti, ovvero Tommaso Pietrocarlo e Monica Grossi, hanno deciso di presentare un ricorso alla suprema corte dopo che, il 10 gennaio scorso, la Corte d’Appello di Firenze ha dichiarato inammissibile la loro richiesta di revisione del processo del ragazzo, unico condannato in via definitiva per l’omicidio della studentessa inglese Meredith Kercher, avvenuto a Perugia il primo novembre 2007. La notizia è stata riportata sabato da La Nazione. In Cassazione i giudici potrebbero annullare con rinvio o confermare la decisione adottata dalla corte di Firenze, ma la data dell’udienza non è ancora stata fissata.
It only states that Guede's lawyers have indeed filed an appeal to the Supreme Court...


I think the date of November 17th, 2017 that came up as the date of the Supreme Court decision was a misunderstanding by the author of this piece that appeared first in the German (internet) News on October 31st, 2017 "Für immer rätselhaft - Was vom Fall Amanda Knox bleibt".
In it, it is stated that "the Supreme Court was to decide on November 17th".

I guess that the author of the German article got the (wrong) date from this Italian article dated November 17th, 2016 "Omicidio Meredith, fissata udienza per decidere su revisione processo A Rudy". In it a court date for his hearing before the Florence Appeals Court is announced...

I guess the confusion about an upcoming decision of the Supreme Court is once again based on "Copy/Paste" journalism and a bad translation ;)
 
The latest I have found is this one "Omicidio Kercher, Guede chiede alla Cassazione di riaprire il processo. L’ivoriano in permesso premio a Perugia" from February 18th, 2017:

It only states that Guede's lawyers have indeed filed an appeal to the Supreme Court...


I think the date of November 17th, 2017 that came up as the date of the Supreme Court decision was a misunderstanding by the author of this piece that appeared first in the German (internet) News on October 31st, 2017 "Für immer rätselhaft - Was vom Fall Amanda Knox bleibt".
In it, it is stated that "the Supreme Court was to decide on November 17th".

I guess that the author of the German article got the (wrong) date from this Italian article dated November 17th, 2016 "Omicidio Meredith, fissata udienza per decidere su revisione processo A Rudy". In it a court date for his hearing before the Florence Appeals Court is announced...

I guess the confusion about an upcoming decision of the Supreme Court is once again based on "Copy/Paste" journalism and a bad translation ;)

Methos, a very hearty thank you!

I had read a secondary source which led me to think that the CSC would be issuing a decision on Guede's appeal in the November, 2017 time-frame.

So we need to be patient while awaiting the CSC decision, which apparently may appear sometime in 2018.

Here is an English translation by Google (with a little help from me) of the 18 Feb 2017 Italian article:

"Rudy Guede tries the last card, that of the Supreme Court. The lawyers who defend him in fact, namely Tommaso Pietrocarlo and Monica Grossi, have decided to appeal to the supreme court after, on January 10th, the Court of Appeal of Florence declared inadmissible their request to review the trial of the boy , the only one definitively convicted for the murder of the English student Meredith Kercher, which took place in Perugia on 1 November 2007. The news was reported Saturday by La Nazione. In the Supreme Court the judges could cancel by referring [back to an appeal court for reconsideration] or confirming the decision taken by the court of Florence, but the date of the hearing has not yet been fixed."
 
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Methos, a very hearty thank you!

I had read a secondary source which led me to think that the CSC would be issuing a decision on Guede's appeal in the November, 2017 time-frame.

So we need to be patient while awaiting the CSC decision, which apparently may appear sometime in 2018.
Here is an English translation by Google (with a little help from me) of the 18 Feb 2017 Italian article:

"Rudy Guede tries the last card, that of the Supreme Court. The lawyers who defend him in fact, namely Tommaso Pietrocarlo and Monica Grossi, have decided to appeal to the supreme court after, on January 10th, the Court of Appeal of Florence declared inadmissible their request to review the trial of the boy , the only one definitively convicted for the murder of the English student Meredith Kercher, which took place in Perugia on 1 November 2007. The news was reported Saturday by La Nazione. In the Supreme Court the judges could cancel by referring [back to an appeal court for reconsideration] or confirming the decision taken by the court of Florence, but the date of the hearing has not yet been fixed."

You are welcome ;). Given the speed of (not only) the Italian justice system I think you are right on the highlighted part.

I thought I've read somewhere, that the Supreme Court had already dismissed Guede's appeal sometime in late summer/early fall this year, but I wasn't able to re-find that source (should have thought about saving it in the wayback machine or elsewhere :o ).

The interesting thing about Guede this year is, that his facebook and twitter accounts were closed during the above mentioned period and also that the @FreeRudyGuede account on twitter has closed shop around the time it was reported that Guede was out on "work release":
Lavoro esterno al carcere per Rudy Guede, Primo giorno di lavoro fuori dal carcere, Rudy Guede arriva in bicicletta.

I think it's interesting that the status of Guede's (apparently ongoing?) appeal to the Supreme Court isn't mentioned in the two articles, especially because Guede's "new friends" from the "Centro per gli studi criminologici (Csc) di Viterbo" have used the Tusciaweb website for their Guede related press-releases since they took over from his old defence team after the Leosini interview in early 2016. An example is this one "La storia di Rudy Guede sta in piedi, ecco perché…" as reaction to an article in the printed edition of "oggi" titled "Tutte le bugie di Rudy".

We'll have to be patient - just as you said - but given the above, the half baked outcome of the "Knox/Sollecito" trial and the final rejection of Sollecito's claim for compensation, I don't think the Supreme Court has any intention to revive this case... My two cent (Euro) ;)
 
Ladies and nutter conspiracists, start your engines. George Clooney's, "The Monster of Florence," starring Clooney as author Douglas Preston, is going to be filmed.

...

Read this The Atlantic article: a short form of Douglas Preston's run in with Mignini, where Mignini tried to pin crimes on Preston and Mario Spezi for interfering in the Monster of Florence investigation.

"You and Spezi either planted, or were planning to plant, false evidence at that villa in an attempt to frame an innocent man for being the Monster of Florence, to derail this investigation, and to deflect suspicion from Spezi. That is what you were doing."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
 
You are welcome ;). Given the speed of (not only) the Italian justice system I think you are right on the highlighted part.

I thought I've read somewhere, that the Supreme Court had already dismissed Guede's appeal sometime in late summer/early fall this year, but I wasn't able to re-find that source (should have thought about saving it in the wayback machine or elsewhere :o ).

The interesting thing about Guede this year is, that his facebook and twitter accounts were closed during the above mentioned period and also that the @FreeRudyGuede account on twitter has closed shop around the time it was reported that Guede was out on "work release":
Lavoro esterno al carcere per Rudy Guede, Primo giorno di lavoro fuori dal carcere, Rudy Guede arriva in bicicletta.

I think it's interesting that the status of Guede's (apparently ongoing?) appeal to the Supreme Court isn't mentioned in the two articles, especially because Guede's "new friends" from the "Centro per gli studi criminologici (Csc) di Viterbo" have used the Tusciaweb website for their Guede related press-releases since they took over from his old defence team after the Leosini interview in early 2016. An example is this one "La storia di Rudy Guede sta in piedi, ecco perché…" as reaction to an article in the printed edition of "oggi" titled "Tutte le bugie di Rudy".

We'll have to be patient - just as you said - but given the above, (1.) the half baked outcome of the "Knox/Sollecito" trial and (2.) the final rejection of Sollecito's claim for compensation, (3.) I don't think the Supreme Court has any intention to revive this case... My two cent (Euro) ;)

1. I think the CSC could not, for cultural or judicial political reasons, fully admit how abusive of Italian law, Italian Constitution, and the European Convention the police and Italian courts had been in this case.

2. Likewise for the final rejection of Sollecito's compensation claim. It's as though the Italian courts are simply begging for the ECHR to solve their judicial problems.

3. I agree. In my opinion, the CSC will not grant a revision trial for Guede ... but since we're discussing Italian courts, one must wait for the actual judgment.
 
Slick Pete has been busy again. Now there is not only a Sollecito/Mafia link but, apparently, a Knox/Mafia link:

We have long explained the direct Sollecito/mafia link. That has been in motion since 2010 and the bent Hellman and Marasca/Bruno courts were the results.

Now a direct Knox/mafia link is emerging also.

To Knox’s advantage, the Boninsegna court was bent as well. That was the Florence court which in 2016 heard complaints form the Questura staff about how she mischaracterized the “interrogation” at trial.


It ruled for Knox. What?!?! The report has to be the dopiest explanation of the entire case

It is dopier even than the Marasca/Bruno report. Did Boninsegna (who has known mafia ties, the reason he is in Florence was to get him away from his chums in the south) ready ANY of the court transcripts at all!?
TJMK Dec. 28, 2017

What is this "explanation of the Sollecito/Mafia link"? That there just happened to be a Canadian mobster with the same last name?
Per the usual PGP tactic, Petey makes allegations against Boninsegna without providing any evidence. Quelle surprise.
 
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There's a reason there's like 4-5 PGP idiots left - no interpretation is favorable to them.

If the US used its heavyweight international influence to subvert Italian justice and free Knox, this implies US heavyweights viewed Knox and her case favorably and well worth pursuing, which runs counter to the PGP view that she is an obvious psycho killer only delusional lowlife murder groupies could believe.

If the Italian justice system is corrupt, overrun by the mafia, etc and incapable of maintaining any integrity, this runs counter to the PGP view that Amanda Knox couldn't possibly have faced corruption or unfairness in her trial(s).

The only winning move for them is not to play (post).
 
There's a reason there's like 4-5 PGP idiots left - no interpretation is favorable to them.

If the US used its heavyweight international influence to subvert Italian justice and free Knox, this implies US heavyweights viewed Knox and her case favorably and well worth pursuing, which runs counter to the PGP view that she is an obvious psycho killer only delusional lowlife murder groupies could believe.

If the Italian justice system is corrupt, overrun by the mafia, etc and incapable of maintaining any integrity, this runs counter to the PGP view that Amanda Knox couldn't possibly have faced corruption or unfairness in her trial(s).

The only winning move for them is not to play (post).

Isn't that the plot of an early Matthew Broderick film?

Does PQ ever cite sources about his conspiratorial claims?
 
There's a reason there's like 4-5 PGP idiots left - no interpretation is favorable to them.

If the US used its heavyweight international influence to subvert Italian justice and free Knox, this implies US heavyweights viewed Knox and her case favorably and well worth pursuing, which runs counter to the PGP view that she is an obvious psycho killer only delusional lowlife murder groupies could believe.

If the Italian justice system is corrupt, overrun by the mafia, etc and incapable of maintaining any integrity, this runs counter to the PGP view that Amanda Knox couldn't possibly have faced corruption or unfairness in her trial(s).

The only winning move for them is not to play (post).

Bagels has made a good point. TJMK were constantly praising the Italian Justice System and described the system as fair and efficient but then claim the system is vulnerable to corruption which results in corrupt verdicts. How do members of TJMK explain this contradiction?
 
Bagels has made a good point. TJMK were constantly praising the Italian Justice System and described the system as fair and efficient but then claim the system is vulnerable to corruption which results in corrupt verdicts. How do members of TJMK explain this contradiction?

It's the problem with being conclusion driven.
 
Slick Pete has been busy again. Now there is not only a Sollecito/Mafia link but, apparently, a Knox/Mafia link:

TJMK Dec. 28, 2017

What is this "explanation of the Sollecito/Mafia link"? That there just happened to be a Canadian mobster with the same last name?
Per the usual PGP tactic, Petey makes allegations against Boninsegna without providing any evidence. Quelle surprise.

You are kidding right? Rocco Sollecito Godfather of the Canadian mob, assassinated in his car, is a close relative of Francesco, who was seen attending his memorial service in Bari (from whence both of them hail).

Raff himself was pictured sunbathing on Republic of Dominican beaches (in the middle of his Appeal hearings) with a wellknown mobster.

Popular destination for serious criminals due to its lack of extradition treaties with other countries, inlcuding specifically Italy.
 
There's a reason there's like 4-5 PGP idiots left - no interpretation is favorable to them.

If the US used its heavyweight international influence to subvert Italian justice and free Knox, this implies US heavyweights viewed Knox and her case favorably and well worth pursuing, which runs counter to the PGP view that she is an obvious psycho killer only delusional lowlife murder groupies could believe.

If the Italian justice system is corrupt, overrun by the mafia, etc and incapable of maintaining any integrity, this runs counter to the PGP view that Amanda Knox couldn't possibly have faced corruption or unfairness in her trial(s).

The only winning move for them is not to play (post).


Knox and Sollecito were found guilty of Aggravated Murder after a fair trial, which was upheld on Appeal. It was a slam dunk verdict.

The acquittal was by a couple of geriatrics (the 'junior' judge,Bruno, was >80) who sat for a couple of days, giving Bongiorno two and a half days to bend their ears, whereas all the other parties were restricted to twenty minutes each to present their skeleton arguments.

Much of Bruno's scribblings, only signed off by senior Judge, Marasca after six months was heavily edited down to just 54 pages - as predicted by me, that it would be short, sweet and highly abstract, as there really was NO genuine point of law to stand on.

Marasca-Bruno rehashed issues that were res judicata (already finally settled by Chieffi Supreme Court) and hung their reasoning on 'investigative amnesia' and 'press influence' (when Italy does not proscribe this).
 
Bagels has made a good point. TJMK were constantly praising the Italian Justice System and described the system as fair and efficient but then claim the system is vulnerable to corruption which results in corrupt verdicts. How do members of TJMK explain this contradiction?

It's the duality of life.
 
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