Man to sue after rape trial collapse

Certain crimes are hard to detect for all sorts of reasons. Vandalism is one, because vandals tend not to damage property when there is a chance they can be seen and identified.

That rape is one of those crimes is tragic, but considering many accusations hinge on whether or not consent was granted (very few rapes are predators dragging women into the woods, where there is clearly no consent), not surprising. It is also an awful crime to have to give evidence about. It is way more traumatic than giving evidence about seeing a car being vandalised. Hence far more people do not want to give evidence than with many other crimes. If an elderly lady was beaten up by a young thug, witnessed by many people, they would queue round the block to give evidence.

Some of the claims ponderingturtle has made were true, 20 plus years ago. But now, in Scotland at least, rape is very carefully and considerately investigated.

That is not to say there will be no disclosure issues here, because disclosure is a problem.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Those are all the reported "rapes" that the "rapist" is either not prosecuted or found innocent. Clearly all psychos.

And people wonder why victims might now want to come forward.
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Are you one of those "all men are rapists" extremists? Because thats the vibe I'm getting. Accusing someone of rape after consensual sex is a low, rotten, life destroying move. The cops who hid this evidence are scumbags or inept idiots, or both who should resign or be fired.
 
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cullennz said:
I think she is a psycho because she sent 40,000 messages to the dude

Which at least to me shows things ain't exactly running on all 4 cyls up there

Not sure how this relates to the other 95% of cases
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TBF, I got the impression that 40,000 was the total number of messages, i.e., to the dude as well as to her friends. I'm still amazed how someone can rack up such amounts of text messages in a short time, I don't think I'll rack that up in my lifetime.
 
TheGoldcountry said:
ponderingturtle, you have come up with about a dozen different straw positions that no one else here has proposed, endorsed, or even come close to..
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No to mention that absolutely none of those spurious straw positions have anthing whatsoever to do with the case at hand

TheGoldcountry said:
Rape, obviously, is a very serious and emotional matter, but dialling up the hyperbolic vitriol to 11 whenever someone even slightly disagrees with you, makes it very difficult to take you seriously..
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This is standard posting practice for a contrarian-poster with an unlimited supply of straw.
 
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ponderingturtle said:
Got it you have to admit it was rape right away and go to the police, any delays mean it was retroactively consensual. We really owe some apologies to all those wrongfully persecuted celebrities out there.

I think we all need to sign a card for Harvey Weinstein.
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Saying "I wasn't raped" is usually good evidence that you weren't raped.

Sending messages to your alleged rapist after the alleged rape, asking for sex, is usually good evidence that you weren't raped.

This is not the same as not going to the police immediately after rape.
 
Nessie said:
Police cuts should have no effect on disclosing evidence. It could affect what enquiries are made, cuts meaning fewer enquiries are done as investigation teams are smaller.
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Having vastly fewer officers and support staff is necessarily going to mean a thinning out of experience and expertise leading to more mistakes.

However, in these two cases, I'll grant you that, seeing as it was the same officer in both, that this was nothing to do with lack of experience or knowledge but an apparently deliberate attempt to obtain convictions regardless of the evidence.

I'd quite like to see the officer in question prosecuted for perverting the course of justice.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Those are all the reported "rapes" that the "rapist" is either not prosecuted or found innocent. Clearly all psychos.

And people wonder why victims might now want to come forward.
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I'm very curious as to what you think should have happened in this instance and how that accounts for the possibility that this gentleman may be guilty or not guilty.
 
Hubert Cumberdale said:
Having vastly fewer officers and support staff is necessarily going to mean a thinning out of experience and expertise leading to more mistakes.

However, in these two cases, I'll grant you that, seeing as it was the same officer in both, that this was nothing to do with lack of experience or knowledge but an apparently deliberate attempt to obtain convictions regardless of the evidence.

I'd quite like to see the officer in question prosecuted for perverting the course of justice.
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Agreed. The claim of a lack of resources does not explain why exculpatory evidence was excluded. If it really was a lack of resources, all types of evidence would be missed.

I would like to see far more police officers and staff at the CPS disciplined because they failed to follow dosclosure rules.
 
Another case has come to light. The Met will be sighign with relief that this one isn't down to them, but the fact that it's a) another force, and b) happened four years ago, shows that this is a systemic and non-novel issue.

BBC News: Rape conviction quashed over new Facebook evidence

"A man jailed for rape four years ago has had his conviction overturned after new Facebook evidence emerged.

Danny Kay's sentence was quashed by the Court of Appeal after deleted messages were found in an archived folder backing his version of events.

The 26-year-old had denied rape at Derby Crown Court in 2013 but was jailed for four-and-a-half years.

Judges ruled on Thursday the new evidence supported his claim the sex was consensual.

The messages showed that jurors at the trial had been given an "edited and misleading" picture of the conversation between the pair, the court heard."
 
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The messages showed that jurors at the trial had been given an "edited and misleading" picture of the conversation between the pair, the court heard."
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So who edited the messages to make them misleading? If it was the Police, then they need to be charged with evidence tampering, and if it was the supposed victim, then she should be prosecuted for making a false statement to Police and giving false evidence in court.

Either way, this guy has had his reputation tainted and four years of his life stolen by the lying bitch so she ought to go to jail (four years would be about right) he ought to be paid a lot of restitution.
 
smartcooky said:
So who edited the messages to make them misleading? If it was the Police, then they need to be charged with evidence tampering, and if it was the supposed victim, then she should be prosecuted for making a false statement to Police and giving false evidence in court.
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I suspect that the "edited" refers to the conversation, i.e., that the tenor of the conversation was edited by selective inclusion of messages, rather than that the contents of individual messages was edited. That likely makes the argument quite a bit harder, though I agree with your point in general.
 
3point14 said:
I'm very curious as to what you think should have happened in this instance and how that accounts for the possibility that this gentleman may be guilty or not guilty.
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As far as I can tell, ponderingturtle's body of work is intended to dismiss rape as a problem in society altogether, by consistently attacking any attempt at rational discussion. It's clear he doesn't see it as a serious issue.
 
PhantomWolf said:
That doesn't mean she can't say "No" afterwards.



It certainly would have made it near impossible to get beyond reasonable doubt.



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Only if it's fully established that there was no actual rape at all. It sounds that way, but it's always best not to assume without all the facts.
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Saying "NO" after the act, and waiting before deciding she/he had made a mistake in saying yes, is not rape.
Saying "NO" during the process after saying yes is only rape if the other person continues from that point
 
It seems this woman has left a trail of carnage

Alison Saunders CPS's most Corrupt Director ever
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The Crown Prosecution Service has now become a law unto itself, freely frames innocent people, it drops charges on any criminal it wants, it needs to be investigated fully once the new Parliament sits for business.

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It seems this woman has left a trail of carnage

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3j8IGCk-50
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It's long been apparent that Saunders is driven by ideology and/or a desire to be seen to be doing something, as evidenced by some of the spectacular failures of prosecutions resulting from Operation Yewtree.
 
One thing that does puzzle me. The man must have received the text messages. What stopped him from telling the defence lawyers I received text messages after the incident. Look into it. These text messages will show my innocence.
 
rjh01 said:
One thing that does puzzle me. The man must have received the text messages. What stopped him from telling the defence lawyers I received text messages after the incident. Look into it. These text messages will show my innocence.
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They may have been hoping to ambush her on the stand in court with the messages he recieved. The other ones admitting it wasn't rape were sent to the friends and therefore probably only in the incompetent/malicious prosecutors hands.
 
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