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Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 2

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CapelDodger said:
Departments will co-ordinate, naturally, but they'll also defend their turf.
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Right.

I'm just saying, if they could exercise a tad more independent, creative, critically-thinking, ethical leadership at this dark hour (and a demented executive branch under god knows how much Kremlin control is indeed a dark prospect) I wouldn't start screaming about democracy and the death of a clearly dysfunctional state of checks and balances.

The pentagon proper has already signaled that they don't take the "commander in chief" stuff seriously. Remember this? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/19/donald-trump-north-korea-armada-gaffe
 
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kellyb said:
Right.

I'm just saying, if they could exercise a tad more independent, creative, critically-thinking, ethical leadership at this dark hour (and a demented executive branch under god knows how much Kremlin control is indeed a dark prospect) I wouldn't start screaming about democracy and the death of a clearly dysfunctional state of checks and balances.
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If loonies are appointed to cabinet posts and Congress approves them then yup, you've got a problem.

Oh look ... :eek:
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
MSNBC recently examined some of the things Fox have been saying:



Bear in mind that Steve Schmidt, the guy who goes on the rant at the end, is a Republican analyst who worked on campaigns for George W. Bush, John McCain and Arnold Schwarzenegger. So he's far from some pinko lefty.
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"The breathtaking dishonesty of it is beyond my ability to articulate".

He's pretty pissed about this, I'm thinking.
 
This is the level of sophistication we're dealing with: https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/942492895692673024

The White House readout of the Trump-Putin call looks like Trump wrote it himself
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The transcript is a picture, so you'll have to follow the link to read it for yourself. It's, um, it reads like it should be written on a circle of paper in crayon.
 
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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
This is the level of sophistication we're dealing with: https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/942492895692673024



The transcript is a picture, so you'll have to follow the link to read it for yourself. It's, um, it reads like it should be written on a circle of paper in crayon.
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I don't know. The way it is written still exhibits a command of language that is far above anything we have seen or heard from Trump in the last couple of years.

For example, I wouldn't expect him to use the word "incarcerated" without coaching. "Locked up"? Sure. "Thrown in jail"? Yeah.

Not "incarcerated".
 
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Dark money seems like a really bad feature.

That could be changing. In September, it was reported that special counsel Robert Mueller is investigating three donors with ties to Russia who contributed a combined total of $2 million to funds controlled by Trump. All three of the men have financial and business ties to Russian oligarchs who are intricately linked with Putin.

As the Dallas News explains, one of those men is Ukrainian-born billionaire Leonard Blavatnik, who holds dual American and British citizenship. Blavatnik at one time offered political donations on a bipartisan basis, giving small contributions to both parties from 2009 to 2014.

From 2015 to 2016, Blavatnik stopped donating to both political parties, and instead contributed $6.35 million to GOP political action committees. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Blavatnik and two other Russian-linked donors began pumping donations to the Republican National Committee “just as Trump was on the verge of securing the Republican nomination.”

Since April 2016, Blavatnik has donated $383,000 to the RNC, with $12,700 going to the RNC legal fund. That account paid Trump’s legal bills in the Russia investigation until November. Blavatnik also donated $1 million to Trump’s inauguration fund, ABC reports.
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If only someone had warned us.

But we can't stop there. It's time to require lobbyists to disclose each contact they make on behalf of a client with my Administration or Congress. And it's time to put strict limits on the contributions that lobbyists give to candidates for federal office. Last week, the Supreme Court reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests – including foreign corporations – to spend without limit in our elections. Well I don't think American elections should be bankrolled by America's most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities. They should be decided by the American people, and that's why I'm urging Democrats and Republicans to pass a bill that helps to right this wrong.
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Well, as logger is away, I take it upon me to post the latest from the conservative treehouse. So far I found that the site has quite good research (didn't know it before logger linked to it).

That's a summary of what is emerging, headed by the full letter from the Trump transition team to congress. It makes no sense to quote it in part, as it need some space to develop. Sources at the bottom of the article.

Summarizing, that "small group" which is mostly identified and already scrutinized by congress investigation seems to have
  • taken care that the Killary eMail investigation went nowhere
  • fabricated and used the piss dossier to legalize the surveillance of the Trump team
  • after the election brought the Russiagate CT into its overheated form to cover up what they had done
  • helped create and then infiltrated the Mueller investigation to make sure it doesn't turn stones under which they didn't want anybody to look
And there seems to be a potential crown witness, Bill Priestap, head of FBI counter-intelligence.

I for one have popcorn ready.

:popcorn6
 
Childlike Empress said:
Well, as logger is away, I take it upon me to post the latest from the conservative treehouse. So far I found that the site has quite good research (didn't know it before logger linked to it).
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Yup, that's a site that's completely unbiased. That's why it uses the word "illegal" in the headline, despite that not being a claim made in the letter they're commenting on. By the third paragraph they've softened it to "possibly illegal" - demonstrating that they know the headline is a lie. Of course, "possibly illegal" is a lie, too, but it's a lesser lie and more people read headlines than read articles.

No agenda there, at all...
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Yup, that's a site that's completely unbiased. That's why it uses the word "illegal" in the headline, despite that not being a claim made in the letter they're commenting on. By the third paragraph they've softened it to "possibly illegal" - demonstrating that they know the headline is a lie. Of course, "possibly illegal" is a lie, too, but it's a lesser lie and more people read headlines than read articles.

No agenda there, at all...
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Of great use to a development of accurate understanding of reality for you would be to drop the naive notion that there are "unbiased" journalistic sources. What's important is transparency, and that's why a source called "conservative treehouse" or "world socialist web site" is preferable in principle (if their research is solid) to one that pretends to be fair and balanced, first and foremost the "papers of record" which are anything but that.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Well, as logger is away, I take it upon me to post the latest from the conservative treehouse. So far I found that the site has quite good research (didn't know it before logger linked to it).

That's a summary of what is emerging, headed by the full letter from the Trump transition team to congress. It makes no sense to quote it in part, as it need some space to develop. Sources at the bottom of the article.

Summarizing, that "small group" which is mostly identified and already scrutinized by congress investigation seems to have
  • taken care that the Killary eMail investigation went nowhere
    [*]fabricated and used the piss dossier to legalize the surveillance of the Trump team
    [*]after the election brought the Russiagate CT into its overheated form to cover up what they had done
    [*]helped create and then infiltrated the Mueller investigation to make sure it doesn't turn stones under which they didn't want anybody to look

And there seems to be a potential crown witness, Bill Priestap, head of FBI counter-intelligence.

I for one have popcorn ready.

:popcorn6
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Nice argument you got there. Be a shame if someone disregarded it because of hyper-partisan baloney. As such you only get one.


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Oh, and Squeegee, the "illegal" claim is in the first sentence of the first point in the letter. They just call it "unlawful". Maybe I should accuse you of disinformation now? Or did you just lie to yourself again?
 
Childlike Empress said:
Well, as logger is away, I take it upon me to post the latest from the conservative treehouse. So far I found that the site has quite good research (didn't know it before logger linked to it).

That's a summary of what is emerging, headed by the full letter from the Trump transition team to congress. It makes no sense to quote it in part, as it need some space to develop. Sources at the bottom of the article.

Summarizing, that "small group" which is mostly identified and already scrutinized by congress investigation seems to have
  • taken care that the Killary eMail investigation went nowhere
  • fabricated and used the piss dossier to legalize the surveillance of the Trump team
  • after the election brought the Russiagate CT into its overheated form to cover up what they had done
  • helped create and then infiltrated the Mueller investigation to make sure it doesn't turn stones under which they didn't want anybody to look
And there seems to be a potential crown witness, Bill Priestap, head of FBI counter-intelligence.

I for one have popcorn ready.

:popcorn6
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That is some crazy whack **** alright (it all started with Obama? Golly?) and the comments are "revealing" to say the least.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Well, as logger is away, I take it upon me to post the latest from the conservative treehouse. So far I found that the site has quite good research (didn't know it before logger linked to it).

That's a summary of what is emerging, headed by the full letter from the Trump transition team to congress. It makes no sense to quote it in part, as it need some space to develop. Sources at the bottom of the article.

Summarizing, that "small group" which is mostly identified and already scrutinized by congress investigation seems to have
  • taken care that the Killary eMail investigation went nowhere
  • fabricated and used the piss dossier to legalize the surveillance of the Trump team
  • after the election brought the Russiagate CT into its overheated form to cover up what they had done
  • helped create and then infiltrated the Mueller investigation to make sure it doesn't turn stones under which they didn't want anybody to look
And there seems to be a potential crown witness, Bill Priestap, head of FBI counter-intelligence.

I for one have popcorn ready.

:popcorn6
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A citation from a crap source is still crap even if the source of the crap is supposed to be based on some sort of conservative ideal.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Of great use to a development of accurate understanding of reality for you would be to drop the naive notion that there are "unbiased" journalistic sources. What's important is transparency, and that's why a source called "conservative treehouse" or "world socialist web site" is preferable in principle (if their research is solid) to one that pretends to be fair and balanced, first and foremost the "papers of record" which are anything but that.
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There's your problem. The "research" required to get from "Strzok said mean things about Trump" to that conspiracy theory seems to be mainly of the psychic sort.
 
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