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Michael Flynn charged

logger said:
I find it fascinating that people on the left cannot possibly see the strategy in filling the State Department and the FBI with their minions. Lucky for the rank and file the leadership understands it.

Even on a skeptics forum.
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Uhm, wouldn't Donald Trump be the leadership? Didn't he fire Comey? Wouldn't that be changing it to his "minions"? Are you sure you're doing this right?

Dr. Keith said:
Ten points for plague311.

Would have been twenty, but you weren't clear about the followup of just ignoring when your **** has been exposed.
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Obviously because this hasn't, and won't happen. :cool:

Cl1mh4224rd said:
It's amazing how much secret influence liberals have over every part of the government. Not unlike the Jews in the early 20th century. Maybe some brave conservative will propose some kind of solution to this liberal problem.
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Maybe a permanent one? One that might come at the end of the line? The last of it's kind? *snaps fingers* hmmm
 
plague311 said:
Uhm, wouldn't Donald Trump be the leadership? Didn't he fire Comey? Wouldn't that be changing it to his "minions"? Are you sure you're doing this right?
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Lol
Once again you’re not understanding. Trump would be part of the Republican leadership. I’m actually discussing the democrat leadership starting with the Obama administration. I’m glad I could help you.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
It's amazing how much secret influence liberals have over every part of the government. Not unlike the Jews in the early 20th century. Maybe some brave conservative will propose some kind of solution to this liberal problem.
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What’s amazing is how your side thinks it can just hand wave it all away. ;)
 
PhantomWolf said:
Just another Trumpster trying hard to convince himself that all is well in Trump world, and that sounds he hears ion the roof are Santa's reindeer and not an FBI swat team
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His "legal perspective" is that the Strzok story "pretty much kills the likelihood of Mueller indicting any other Republicans," so I think Trump or Junior should definitely hire him, immediately. Trump's lawyer claims to be the actual author of an incriminating tweet, and Junior's lawyer seems to have told him he could claim "attorney-client privilege" about his discussions with his father because attorneys were listening in. So Nick James may be an idiot, but it looks like that might be a step up from what they have now. At the least, they could save a lot of money if they hire James and fire the other guys, since James won't actually have anything to do.
 
logger said:
Doubt it.
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I am not at all surprised.

Never said there wasn’t, why don’t you list those limitations?
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Actually, you just did say that there were not any serious limitations about the power of Presidential pardons. However, since you are quite ignorant of the subject, then I will make an attempt to educate you on the subject ...

One. Presidential pardons cannot be used to avoid the President from being impeached. And the numerous Flynn crimes may well be used to process Trump impeachment.

Second. Presidential pardons cannot be used to escape state proceedings. And considering the many illegal things that Flynn was doing, then he may have to face that music before too long.

Third. Presidential pardons cannot be used by the President so that the President can avoid his own legal troubles. Again, considering the numerous crimes that Flynn was involved with, then this could be a serious issue for Trump.

Personally, I think that the reason why Trump has only shown loyalty to exactly one person in his administration [Flynn] is because that one person [Flynn] can actually cause serious legal harm to Trump. Additionally, Trump supporters have got to be the most stupid, idiotic, mindless, and most morally worthless people in the world.
 
Crossbow said:
I am not at all surprised.



Actually, you just did say that there were not any serious limitations about the power of Presidential pardons. However, since you are quite ignorant of the subject, then I will make an attempt to educate you on the subject ...

One. Presidential pardons cannot be used to avoid the President from being impeached. And the numerous Flynn crimes may well be used to process Trump impeachment.

Second. Presidential pardons cannot be used to escape state proceedings. And considering the many illegal things that Flynn was doing, then he may have to face that music before too long.

Third. Presidential pardons cannot be used by the President so that the President can avoid his own legal troubles. Again, considering the numerous crimes that Flynn was involved with, then this could be a serious issue for Trump.

Personally, I think that the reason why Trump has only shown loyalty to exactly one person in his administration [Flynn] is because that one person [Flynn] can actually cause serious legal harm to Trump. Additionally, Trump supporters have got to be the most stupid, idiotic, mindless, and most morally worthless people in the world.
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Indeed, and that includes members of his own family.

As Flynn has now flipped, Trump is going to be piqued, and him pardoning Flynn would be rewarding someone who (for very good* reasons) betrayed Trump.





*Self interest, as opposed to, say the sudden discovery of a moral compass.
 
WilliamSeger said:
His "legal perspective" is that the Strzok story "pretty much kills the likelihood of Mueller indicting any other Republicans," so I think Trump or Junior should definitely hire him, immediately. Trump's lawyer claims to be the actual author of an incriminating tweet, and Junior's lawyer seems to have told him he could claim "attorney-client privilege" about his discussions with his father because attorneys were listening in. So Nick James may be an idiot, but it looks like that might be a step up from what they have now. At the least, they could save a lot of money if they hire James and fire the other guys, since James won't actually have anything to do.
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Oh that makes huge sense... I mean if an investigator doesn't like Trump then any emails the FBI may have that Flynn sent or received or any recorded phone calls or testimony Flynn gave is obviously ..er... biased??

I can really seeing a court or judge saying "Well the defence has made a strong case that the investigator was biased against Flynn so you must disregard any evidence he has provided, yes I know Flynn testified in front of the committee but the investigator doesn't like Trump so that can't be used."
 
Darat said:
Oh that makes huge sense... I mean if an investigator doesn't like Trump then any emails the FBI may have that Flynn sent or received or any recorded phone calls or testimony Flynn gave is obviously ..er... biased??

I can really seeing a court or judge saying "Well the defence has made a strong case that the investigator was biased against Flynn so you must disregard any evidence he has provided, yes I know Flynn testified in front of the committee but the investigator doesn't like Trump so that can't be used."
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Nick James thinks Mueller won't even dare to indict any more Republicans because he's too afraid of any scrutiny of biased investigators. As inevitable as that counterattack is -- what else have they got? -- I'll bet 10-to-1 Internet points that it doesn't faze Mueller.
 
Crossbow said:
I am not at all surprised.



Actually, you just did say that there were not any serious limitations about the power of Presidential pardons. However, since you are quite ignorant of the subject, then I will make an attempt to educate you on the subject ...

One. Presidential pardons cannot be used to avoid the President from being impeached. And the numerous Flynn crimes may well be used to process Trump impeachment.

Second. Presidential pardons cannot be used to escape state proceedings. And considering the many illegal things that Flynn was doing, then he may have to face that music before too long.

Third. Presidential pardons cannot be used by the President so that the President can avoid his own legal troubles. Again, considering the numerous crimes that Flynn was involved with, then this could be a serious issue for Trump.

Personally, I think that the reason why Trump has only shown loyalty to exactly one person in his administration [Flynn] is because that one person [Flynn] can actually cause serious legal harm to Trump. Additionally, Trump supporters have got to be the most stupid, idiotic, mindless, and most morally worthless people in the world.
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Additionally, being pardoned can greatly diminish the ability to plead the 5th amendment.

I disagree, however, with the statement about loyalty between Trump and Flynn. That's been gone for quite a while. Manafort, maybe.
 
Crossbow said:
These Trump lackeys are starting to remind me of the 'Black Knight' in Monty Python:

"It's only a flesh wound!"

"I've had worse!"

"Have at you!"

and so on.
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Yes, but at some point King Arthur's able to walk away from the Knight.

Still waiting for that.
 
Cleon said:
Yes, but at some point King Arthur's able to walk away from the Knight.

Still waiting for that.
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True enough.

I expect that even if it could somehow be clearly documented that:

Trump was planning to lift the Russia trade sanctions lifted after he became President, that
Trump was being black mailed by Russia, that
Trump did indeed pass off Trump Foundation donations as coming from Donald Trump the person, that
Trump was using his businesses to launder vast monies from Russian criminals, and that
Trump did see a few Russian prostitutes peeing on the bed that Bill and Hillary Clinton slept in, that
Putin did help Trump become the President, and that
Many of the people on the Trump team were employed by Russia.

But that wacky Trump would still have quite a few vocal supporters.

Just as happened with Jim and Tammy Baker, Richard Nixon, and so on.
 
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