Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 2

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Even if Trump could pardon Flynn for all charges, I imagine Flynn has zero trust that is what Trump would do. How could anyone count on Trump?
 
TheL8Elvis said:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mich...se-statements-fbi-documents/story?id=50849354

@BrianRoss on @ABC News Special Report: Michael Flynn promised "full cooperation to the Mueller team" and is prepared to testify that as a candidate, Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians."
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"...initially as a way to work together to fight ISIS in Syria."

I'm as hopeful this is going to turn into a headshot, too.

But don't be disingenuous like that. You ought to have at least put an ellipsis at the end rather than a period (suggesting the end of a full statement).
 
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Open pool:

How long until Flynn is found dead after a mysterious "botched robbery" with no missing possessions or signs of struggle?
 
Delphic Oracle said:
@BrianRoss on @ABC News Special Report: Michael Flynn promised "full cooperation to the Mueller team" and is prepared to testify that as a candidate, Donald Trump "directed him to make contact with the Russians."
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"...initially as a way to work together to fight ISIS in Syria."

I'm as hopeful this is going to turn into a headshot, too.

But don't be disingenuous like that. You ought to have at least put an ellipsis at the end rather than a period (suggesting the end of a full statement).
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True, the poster left out the part about fighting ISIS. There are 2 issues though....

- The use of the term "initially" implies more contact than just military cooperation over ISIS

- Even if that's all there was, it still may be illegal. From what I understand, the U.S. has laws that prevent people who aren't currently part of the government from engaging in international negotiations. Since this was before the inaguration, Trump was not yet president, Trump was ordering Flynn to do something illegal.
 
Trump can't claim Flynn wasn't close or important though, he was very close to him throughout the campaign and after.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
"...initially as a way to work together to fight ISIS in Syria."

I'm as hopeful this is going to turn into a headshot, too.

But don't be disingenuous like that. You ought to have at least put an ellipsis at the end rather than a period (suggesting the end of a full statement).
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The person who wrote that tweet isn't reading this forum.
 
The timeline has lots of other titbits, not just relating to Flynn and Papadopoulos

http://billmoyers.com/story/trump-russia-timeline/

NOV. 16, 2017
Senate Judiciary Committee Complains About Kushner’s Incomplete Document Production
After receiving documents that Jared Kushner had agreed to produce in response to a request from the Senate Judiciary Committee, Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and ranking member Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) send Kushner’s attorney a letter stating that the production fails to include documents “known to exist.”

“For example,” the letter notes, “other parties have produced September 2016 email communications to Mr. Kushner concerning WikiLeaks, which Mr. Kushner then forwarded to another campaign official. Such documents should have been produced... but were not. Likewise, other parties have produced documents concerning a ‘Russian backdoor overture and dinner invite’ which Mr. Kushner also forwarded. And still others have produced communications with Sergei Millian, copied to Mr. Kushner. Again, these do not appear in Mr. Kushner’s production despite being responsive.”

Millian is widely reported to have been a source for the “Steele dossier.” CNN reports that in July, Kushner had “told congressional Russia investigators that he did not communicate with WikiLeaks and did not recall anyone on the Trump campaign who had.”

The Grassley-Feinstein letter also says that Kushner has declined to produce some documents that “might implicate the president’s executive privilege.” It asks Kushner’s attorney to work with White House counsel to resolve any questions of privilege and either produce the documents or provide a privilege log that describes what Kushner is withholding.
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And I wonder how Flynn's testimony and his guilty plea (for a fairly minor charge - which presumably means that he's cooperating to avoid more serious ones) is going to affect the testimony by Sessions...

NOV. 14, 2017
Sessions Says That He Has Not Lied About Trump Campaign Contacts With Russia
Attorney General Jeff Sessions testifies before the House Judiciary Committee. Recently, George Papadopoulos’ guilty plea and Carter Page’s testimony have contradicted Sessions’ earlier assertions that, during the campaign, there were no contacts between the Trump campaign and Russians. In Sessions’ opening statement, he insists, “My answers have not changed. I have always told the truth, and I have answered every question as I understood them and to the best of my recollection, as I will continue to do today.”

Sessions then addresses the Papadopoulos plea and the Page testimony, saying:

“Frankly, I had no recollection of this meeting until I saw these news reports. I do now recall that the March [31,] 2016, meeting at the Trump Hotel that Mr. Papadopoulos attended, but I have no clear recollection of the details of what he said at that meeting. After reading his account, and to the best of my recollection, I believe that I wanted to make clear to him that he was not authorized to represent the campaign with the Russian government, or any other foreign government, for that matter. But I did not recall this event, which occurred 18 months before my testimony of a few weeks ago, and I would gladly have reported it had I remembered it, because I pushed back against his suggestion that I thought may have been improper.”

Sessions also says Papadopoulos made “some comment” at the March 31 meeting about his outreach to the Russian government. He says that he cannot recall whether anyone else at that meeting, including Trump, reacted to what Papadopoulos said.

When asked whether he ever exchanged any email, text message or other communication to or from Papadopoulos about Russia or any other subject, Sessions answers, “I do not believe so. I’m confident I did not.” Asked if anyone in the campaign forwarded to Sessions any communication from Papadopoulos, Sessions answers, “I don’t recall.” Asked if anyone in the campaign ever communicated with him at all about Papadopoulos, Sessions says, “I can’t say that there were no conversations about him before or after this event — I did push back at him.”

When asked about his comment that he’d told Papadopoulos not represent himself as speaking for the campaign, Sessions says, “I remember the pushback. I remember that he suggested an ability to negotiate with Russians or others. And I thought he had no ability — or it would not be appropriate for him to do so.”

As for Carter Page, Sessions testifies that he has no memory of him at the Capitol Hill Club dinner on June 30, 2016, or of any conversation with Page about a planned trip to Moscow during the campaign.
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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump can't claim Flynn wasn't close or important though, he was very close to him throughout the campaign and after.
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President Bizzaro claims the voice on the “Access Hollywood” tape isn’t his. I don’t expect there’s anything he wouldn’t claim if doing so were to his advantage.
 
Failson-in-law appears to be in trouble.

Former national security adviser Michael Flynn's guilty plea Friday for lying to the FBI is alarming news for Donald Trump. But the first person it's likely to jeopardize will be the president's son-in-law, Jared Kushner.

Two former officials with the Trump transition team who worked closely with Flynn say that during the last days of the Obama administration, the retired general was instructed to contact foreign ambassadors and foreign ministers of countries on the U.N. Security Council, ahead of a vote condemning Israeli settlements. Flynn was told to try to get them to delay that vote until after Barack Obama had left office, or oppose the resolution altogether.

That is relevant now because one of Flynn’s lies to the FBI was when he said that he never asked Russia's ambassador to Washington, Sergey Kislyak, to delay the vote for the U.N. Security Council resolution. The indictment released today from the office of special prosecutor Robert Mueller describes this lie: "On or about December 22, 2016, Flynn did not ask the Russian Ambassador to delay the vote on or defeat a pending United Nations Security Council resolution."

At the time, the U.N. Security Council resolution on Israeli settlements was a big deal. Even though the Obama administration had less than a month left in office, the president instructed his ambassador to the United Nations to abstain from a resolution, breaking a precedent that went back to 1980 when it came to one-sided anti-Israel resolutions at the U.N.

This was the context of Kushner's instruction to Flynn last December. One transition official at the time said Kushner called Flynn to tell him he needed to get every foreign minister or ambassador from a country on the U.N. Security Council to delay or vote against the resolution. Much of this appeared to be coordinated also with Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, whose envoys shared their own intelligence about the Obama administration's lobbying efforts to get member states to support the resolution with the Trump transition team.
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CNN: Flynn pleads guilty.
MSNBC: Flynn pleads guilty.
Fox News: Dogs, Do they even know about Christmas?
 
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