Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 27

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Alternatively, if Popovic and Papa are telling the truth, then Raff and Amanda are wanton liars, as set out in Florence and Supreme Court's written reasons rejecting Raff's claim for compensation.

You see, content analysis works.

Not yours, it doesn't. If Popovic is telling the truth, which no court doubts, then what does that have to do with anything AK and/or RS ever said. It was Popovic who said she saw Amanda Knox at Raffaele's door at the time indicated.

Note how your "statement analysis" is never applied to the 1st Chamber's reasoning......
 
What this proves is Raffaele is recalling a different evening. We know this can't be from the night of the murder because Popovic twice visited Raffaele's apartment and found Amanda there both times.

What's interesting is Raffaele and Amanda both had always said they were at his apartment together and among other things they watched the movie Amelie. Popovic's testimony and computer analysis confirms this. As this is commonly referred to as an alibi there would be no reason for Raffaele to suddenly change the story during an interrogation and then, once the interrogation was over, revert back to the story he had always given. PGP like to call this a lie (for which there is no motivation to do so) but the rest of us call it confusion over which night he's recalling.

IIRC, Raffaele had asked the police for a calendar but his request was denied. Why do you think that is?

Raff needed a calendar to check when Halloween was and a major Bank Holiday in Italy for Day of the Dead and All Saints...? And Knox bending his ear about having to go out alone...?

Gimme a break.
 

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Staceyhs incorrect (again). Rudy was not charged with second degree murder. He was charged with Aggravated Murder ( =Murder with Sexual Assault/Rape] which equates to the US First Degree Murder (= Murder with Felony].

Micheli decreed he did not commit the fatal wound as did Massei.

Vixxen (I'll return the favor of misspelling your name), I never said Rudy was charged with second degree murder. I was thinking that he was not charged with premeditated murder, which is correct. I did, however, forget that he was charged with aggravated murder. However, you are still wrong (again) that he would have definitely been given life without parole in the US. As Numbers said, in MANY, not all, states aggravated murder (or premeditated murder in the first degree) does receive the maximum penalty. However many states still do have less than life sentences with parole for first degree murder. The following are sentences for aggravated murder/murder in the first degree :

In Arizona:
In Arizona, a person is charged with murder if an offender knowingly and intentionally causes the death of a person or unborn child. The murder must be premeditated. If an individual is found guilty of murder, there are three possible sentences: 35 years to life, life without parole, or the death penalty
Wikipedia
Guede was not charged with or convicted of premeditation.

WA D.C.:
Between 30 years and life without parole (parole eligibility: 30 years if life without parole is not imposed)

Georgia:
Death, Life without parole, or Life with parole eligibility in 30 years

Illinois:
20–60 years, 45 years to Life if firearm used
For First Degree murder, inmates are eligible for parole 3 years before their sentence expi

Kentucky:
Death Penalty, Life Without Parole, Life with parole eligibility in 25 years, Life with parole eligibility in 20 years, or 20 to 50 years

There are more states that do not necessarily impose life without parole for first degree/aggravated murder convictions. So, your statement is wrong(again).

As for Micheli and Massei, there is no possible way for them to know who struck the fatal blow. This is especially true since Knox and Sollecito were definitively acquitted of the murder. The two judges were relying on the kitchen knife being the murder weapon and Stefanoni's claim that she found Kercher's DNA on the knife blade.
 
It might be all new to you, but Content Analysis is perfectly respectable. Re Sapir finding the word 'certain' dodgy, many judges immediately start sniffing a lie when people in the witness box use words like, 'Obviously'. It's often a flag they are trying to persuade the court a thing is obvious when it is anything but.

It's an interesting art. When I spent a couple weeks one summer selling encyclopaedias we were told to emphasis the word 'just' in front of the price (which was far from cheap!). Whilst few reputable sales men believe they tell outright lies, none the less their sales patter includes, 'overcoming the customer's resistance', pointing out the neighbours have bought one, claiming a major discount is available only for an extremely short time (i.e., now), offering easy payment terms, it is all the same technique that innocence fraudsters use, 'It was only a murder, what's the big deal', 'does he look like a murderer?' 'we can offer you alternative explanations', 'the client had their human rights breached' and the usual sympathy card stuff.

But you knew that already. You know perfectly well Knox and Raff's 'innocence projects' are sham.

You are a salesperson pushing your wares.

We can do a statement analysis and see that this is so.

ROTFLMAO! Once again, please stop telling me what I think or what I know. As usual, you are wrong. Citation please for "many judges immediately start sniffing a lie when people in the witness box use words like, 'Obviously'. It's often a flag they are trying to persuade the court a thing is obvious when it is anything but." Not that I expect to actually see one. You are long on making claims but very short on actually proving them.
 
Vixxen (I'll return the favor of misspelling your name), I never said Rudy was charged with second degree murder. I was thinking that he was not charged with premeditated murder, which is correct. I did, however, forget that he was charged with aggravated murder. However, you are still wrong (again) that he would have definitely been given life without parole in the US. As Numbers said, in MANY, not all, states aggravated murder (or premeditated murder in the first degree) does receive the maximum penalty. However many states still do have less than life sentences with parole for first degree murder. The following are sentences for aggravated murder/murder in the first degree :

In Arizona:
Wikipedia
Guede was not charged with or convicted of premeditation.

WA D.C.:


Georgia:


Illinois:


Kentucky:


There are more states that do not necessarily impose life without parole for first degree/aggravated murder convictions. So, your statement is wrong(again).

As for Micheli and Massei, there is no possible way for them to know who struck the fatal blow. This is especially true since Knox and Sollecito were definitively acquitted of the murder. The two judges were relying on the kitchen knife being the murder weapon and Stefanoni's claim that she found Kercher's DNA on the knife blade.

You just don't get it.


As Guede was already charged with Aggravated Murder (=first degree) there was no requirement for the police to demonstrate premeditation.


What is it you are not getting?
 
Raff needed a calendar to check when Halloween was and a major Bank Holiday in Italy for Day of the Dead and All Saints...? And Knox bending his ear about having to go out alone...?

Gimme a break.

Wrong (again). He needed to see check which day of the week it was, not the date.

They asked if Amanda had gone out that night, and on the spur of the moment, I couldn’t say. Was November 1 a Tuesday or Thursday? I asked. Because I knew she worked at Le Chic on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
Honor Bound.

You've used up your quota of "breaks" from us.
 
You just don't get it.


As Guede was already charged with Aggravated Murder (=first degree) there was no requirement for the police to demonstrate premeditation.


What is it you are not getting?

Oh, good lord. I never said the police did need to demonstrate premeditation. The point, which seems to be going right over your head, is that your claim that Guede would be serving life without parole in the US is not necessarily so. As I demonstrated by listing several states where he could well have received a non-life sentence with parole for the exact same crime. That is what you are not getting.

Still working on those two citations you've been asked for? Or do you need a few more days...weeks...years...?
 
ROTFLMAO! Once again, please stop telling me what I think or what I know. As usual, you are wrong. Citation please for "many judges immediately start sniffing a lie when people in the witness box use words like, 'Obviously'. It's often a flag they are trying to persuade the court a thing is obvious when it is anything but." Not that I expect to actually see one. You are long on making claims but very short on actually proving them.


Using phrases like 'obviously' is a qualifier, and that alerts anyone with an ear for embellishment.

I did read a learned piece recently about the specific use of 'obviously' as a flag, but can't remember where.

However, this piece from the internet is on a similar thrust:

Many liars tend to start their sentences with a statement like "to be perfectly honest" or "quite frankly."


Police, barristers and judges are trained to be alert to lying.

I am surprised you are unaware of all this.

I can't help thinking that much of your 'astonishment' is faked.
 
Wrong (again). He needed to see check which day of the week it was, not the date.


Honor Bound.

You've used up your quota of "breaks" from us.

Stop it.

Ognissanti (All Saints) is celebrated on 1st November, and the 2nd of November, commonly called "i Morti" in Italian, is the day dedicated to the dear ones who passed away.

Raff will have known for sure that that Ognissanti was a long weekend in 2007, and thus must have been Thursday and Friday.

Hello?

Make it stop!!!
 
Stop it.



Raff will have known for sure that that Ognissanti was a long weekend in 2007, and thus must have been Thursday and Friday.

Hello?

Make it stop!!!

The police assured him Amanda went out and they know she went out and he could be thrown in jail if he kept lying and covering for the foreign girl he just met that week. So he naturally remembered the one day she did go out, which was just the prior evening, and thought they might be talking about that. Probably he thought that date didn't make sense but he gave the police what they wanted to make the abuse stop and they had him sign a pre-written statement they wrote. It's not a particularly interesting point.

Now if he was actually guilty it would be far more interesting to know why he immediately gave up his accomplice for practically nothing with his accomplice being the fresh face college girl who knows where her violent boyfriend kept the murder weapon and will cry all about what a monster he is to the cops. I guess he must have known Amanda would immediately blame her boss, and then get away with saying the cops beat the statement out of her because they forgot to record this grand incriminating confession, and the murder weapon forensic results would be disputed by the top DNA scientists in the world and then the mafia would call in all their favors to the top court and free him. That's really stupid but it's what you actually believe lol
 
Raff needed a calendar to check when Halloween was and a major Bank Holiday in Italy for Day of the Dead and All Saints...? And Knox bending his ear about having to go out alone...?

Gimme a break.

Statement Analysis sez: no one asked him when Halloween was. He was asked which night Knox had gone out. He needed a calendar to be sure.

The police - Napoleoni - denied him one. Apparently they were more interested in a confused witness, rather than accurate information. He was threatened to be reduced to a bloody pulp. Fast forward to today where Napoleoni herself faces criminal charges, all be they unrelated.
 
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Statement Analysis sez: no one asked him when Halloween was. He was asked which night Knox had gone out. He needed a calendar to be sure.

The police - Napoleoni - denied him one. Apparently they were more interested in a confused witness, rather than accurate information. He was threatened to be reduced to a bloody pulp. Fast forward to today where Napoleoni herself faces criminal charges, all be they unrelated.

Aaaarggghhh!
 

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Using phrases like 'obviously' is a qualifier, and that alerts anyone with an ear for embellishment.

And this coming from a person who starts almost every unsupported and/or false claim with phrases such as "certainly, "undoubtedly", "without a doubt", and "as we know"! HOOTS!



I did read a learned piece recently about the specific use of 'obviously' as a flag, but can't remember where.

How very convenient.


However, this piece from the internet is on a similar thrust:

Holy moly. You are now quoting from a blog whose author is described as a "self-help therapist" who has conducted self-improvement seminars in Canada and on Celebrity, Royal Caribbean and Princess cruise ships. While onboard, she also gives belly dancing lessons! She is also a
"Certified Stage Hypnotist" and who "Since 1989, she has offered palm reading services, including in-person or telephone readings, and parties. She is using palmistry as a psychological tool"!
Her "professional qualifications" come from the Open International University for Complementary Medicines which is a diploma mill for pay in Sri Lanka!

Double HOOTS!!

Police, barristers and judges are trained to be alert to lying.

No, they are not. Studies have shown that police are no better at determining lies than anyone else although they believe they are.

Research has consistently shown that people's ability to detect lies is no more accurate than chance, or flipping a coin. This finding holds across all types of people — students, psychologists, judges, job interviewers and law enforcement personnel (Personality and Social Psychology Review, 2006).
American Psychological Association.

According to a study done by Ekman and O'Sullivan (Who Can Catch a Liar?), law enforcement officers did no better than chance in detecting lies.
https://www.paulekman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Who-Can-Catch-A-Liar.pdf

I am surprised you are unaware of all this.
Having a degree in psychology, I am surprised you are unaware of all this.

I can't help thinking that much of your 'astonishment' is faked.

I can't help thinking that much of your "ignorance" is real.

Now, how about we add another citation for your claim that "Police, barristers and judges are trained to be alert to lying."? What training exactly do they receive?
 
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Stop it.



Raff will have known for sure that that Ognissanti was a long weekend in 2007, and thus must have been Thursday and Friday.

Hello?

Make it stop!!!

And here we go again with you telling us what Raff (and apparently everyone else, including me) "knows" for sure! Your ability to read minds is staggeringly impressive!

You seems to be under the delusion that everyone thinks clearly when being interrogated by the police who think they are guilty of a horrible murder. But I'm sure that the police were plying Raff with chamomile tea and cakes just like Amanda. It's obvious you have no clue what police interrogations can be like.
 
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It's strange that no law professors have written about how strong the case was seeing as only delusional murder groupies believe otherwise :confused:

If you want to read about how strong the case was, you'll have to go to TJMK and PMF. Their "main contributors" (what's left of them anyway) are still busy churning out their alternate reality. Not a law professor among them, but hey...
 
Using phrases like 'obviously' is a qualifier, and that alerts anyone with an ear for embellishment.

I did read a learned piece recently about the specific use of 'obviously' as a flag, but can't remember where.

However, this piece from the internet is on a similar thrust:



Police, barristers and judges are trained to be alert to lying.

I am surprised you are unaware of all this.

I can't help thinking that much of your 'astonishment' is faked.

So a brief bio of the author,

As a Certified Clinical Hypnotherapist and a Certified Stage Hypnotist, Frédérique is a member of the Association of Ethical and Professional Hypnotherapists.

Since 1989, she has offered palm reading services, including in-person or telephone readings, and parties. She is using palmistry as a psychological tool.

Frédérique’s studies, teaching, and numerous healings using Universal Energy techniques led her to a designation of Doctor of Traditional Medicine (M.D. (T.M)) with the Open International University for Complementary Medicines.

Trained in ballet and modern dance, Frédérique now teaches belly dance classes at bachelorette or birthday parties, as well as on cruise ships.
 
So a brief bio of the author,

Yes, I pointed this out in my post above. The Open International University for Complementary Medicines, which the author lists as the source of her "degree", is unaccredited and a "diploma mill" run out of Sri Lanka.
 
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