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Michael Shermer vs. "alternative history" Hancock and Crandall

Lat. 14° 6'4.18"S
Long. 141°25'46.38"W

BEST worker ants EVER!! About 50 dwellings, no roads, and over 20,000 trees originally planted in perfect alignment across the whole island...Bravo!

I have a joke about a father and son holding a string across the beach, "Dad, this is dumb, let's just plant them down the center and move to the next spot!" "No, No. Your mother said she wants them in perfect alignment with the neighbors, and this island isn't big enough to get away from her ability to point to how we screwed this up!"
 

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King of the Americas said:
Well...

*Aheem...allow me to clear my throat...*

"All of this is evidence of an advance global agricultural civilization."
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Well then, write a paper, publish it and see what people outside of random internet forums think about it.

Funny how you keep making snarky and condescending posts without realizing that nothing that happens on this forum has any impact on reality.

Could it be that you are here for the attention and not to "discuss" your silly claims of, ummm, whatever your claims actually are.


Damn, I fed the troll again :rolleyes:
 
Hans said:
Comedy value. I have been sharing his sillier posts with a number of people.



The highest rating for laughs was his 'they have to have writing to carve stone', that had a bunch of archaeologists rolling in the aisle - as it were.
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That is up there with DOC in his bible thread saying that people couldn’t have fictional stories without paper.
 
King of the Americas said:
READ- LEARN: http://www.cieplan.org/media/publicaciones/archivos/27/Capitulo_1.pdf

"...agrarian reform..." NOT investment (pg. 5).

Chile did NOT have the money to invest in a desert tree planting party...
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A PDF that seems to be sort of an overview of decades of economic development in Chile that doesn't give any sort of relevant government budget breakdown, never mind a detailed budget breakdown that might show allocations for tree plantations, uses the word 'reform' at one point in reference to agriculture, therefore the Chilean government never had the available budget for forest plantations, therefore the forest plantation is ancient? The fact that agrarian reform existed means that nothing was invested in agriculture? What kind of back-asswards thinking is that? Since when does economic reform mean that nothing is invested in the economy? You're not even trying to come up with an argument here.

That's a laughable argument KotA. Even a troll could come up with something more coherent than that.

Show us the actual budget breakdown for CONAF for the period in question that shows nothing was allocated for these tree plantations, otherwise you've got nothing. Claiming that you have done research that shows the Chilean government couldn't afford said plantations and didn't allocate fund for them is starting to look like outright lying on your part.
 
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I'm really enjoying the idea that one day some folks in Chile decided they needed to fabricate a whole story about planting some trees as part of a conspiracy to [...?] even though the trees had been there forever.

"Quick, we need a cover story!"
"For what?"
"You know all those trees?"
"Yeah, sure, I used to live near there as a kid."
"Well they were planted by some old civilization!"
"Okay. Cool. Are you... asking for a grant to have some archaeologists take a look at it or something? What did you want a cover story for?"
"We need to lie, and say that we planted them! Hurry!"
"They've been there for as long as anyone can remember, I hardly think we need to hurry. Or, you know, to do it at all. Why would we need to cover this up?"
"Well, sir... within the next fifty years I believe that people will gain access to satellite imagery. Then bored people will look around and see that the trees are nicely aligned and they'll know! They'll know it didn't happen naturally!"
"And that's... bad?"
"It's terrible! We can't have anyone realizing, or they may... um. They might be able to..."
"Well?"
"I'm not sure. Even as a joke I can't think of a single reason I could possibly care. But still, let's tell everyone we're planting them, and release information about it, and just... you know, start a big conspiracy for no reason and with no payoff."
"Yeah okay."
 
JesseCuster said:
A PDF that seems to be sort of an overview of decades of economic development in Chile that doesn't give any sort of relevant government budget breakdown, never mind a detailed budget breakdown that might show allocations for tree plantations, uses the word 'reform' at one point in reference to agriculture, therefore the Chilean government never had the available budget for forest plantations, therefore the forest plantation is ancient? The fact that agrarian reform existed means that nothing was invested in agriculture? What kind of back-asswards thinking is that? Since when does economic reform mean that nothing is invested in the economy? You're not even trying to come up with an argument here.

That's a laughable argument KotA. Even a troll could come up with something more coherent than that.

Show us the actual budget breakdown for CONAF for the period in question that shows nothing was allocated for these tree plantations, otherwise you've got nothing. Claiming that you have done research that shows the Chilean government couldn't afford said plantations and didn't allocate fund for them is starting to look like outright lying on your part.
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The government was sorta in political turmoil...had you done the read provided you'd have seen that.

You understand we aren't talking about a free democratic republic here, right?

I said they could not afford nor are there signs of an increase in spending to have accounted for the size of this project. PAY ATTENTION!
 
King of the Americas said:
The government was sorta in political turmoil...had you done the read provided you'd have seen that.

You understand we aren't talking about a free democratic republic here, right?

I said they could not afford nor are there signs of an increase in spending to have accounted for the size of this project. PAY ATTENTION!
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You say a lot of foolish things, and provide almost no evidence as rational people understand the term 'evidence'.

This is the most hysterically funny woo-woo thread I've read in a long time.

Don't ever change, KoTA. :D
 
King of the Americas said:
The government was sorta in political turmoil...had you done the read provided you'd have seen that.

You understand we aren't talking about a free democratic republic here, right?
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The Soviet Union wasn't a free democratic republic either yet they managed to oversee lots of large scale expensive projects - space programmes, nuclear missile programmes, etc. You're not proving anything by this. The fact that a government isn't free and democratic does not render them incapable of carrying out large scale projects. Again, what are you talking about?

I said they could not afford nor are there signs of an increase in spending to have accounted for the size of this project. PAY ATTENTION!
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You've said a lot of things. I'm not interested in what you can merely say, I'm interested in what you can prove. And you haven't even tried to prove that the Chilean government was incapable of undertaking such a project. You've merely expressed disbelief at the concept.

You seem to be arguing that what you said was true because you said it. You can't prove your claims by merely pointing out that you have previously asserted the claim.
 
Repeated delusion of a culture being an old connected civilization

Reality Check said:
21 November 2017: A delusion that another modern forest is connected to Easter Island because of "lines" across the sea floor in Google Earth.
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What makes this even more deluded is these are trees on Mangaia Island in the Cook Islands. The Cook Islands were settled probably from Tahiti in 900 - 1200 AD. This is before or at beast the same migration wave as Easter Island and thousands of years after Göbekli Tepe was abandoned :jaw-dropp!
22 November 2017: Repeats the delusion of a young, isolated culture being evidence of a globally connected civilization 12,000 years ago.

Sites at different dates: Göbekli Tepe (~10,000 BCE), Easter Island (~800 CE), Chile (occupied since 3000 BCE, modern forest) and the Cook Islands (900 - 1200 CE , modern forest).
Sites separated by oceans that Neolithic people could not cross.
 
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With no source we have a delusion that Google Earth labels trees with their ages

King of the Americas said:
The trees I am talking about are the oldest ones on the island...
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22 November 2017: With no source we have a delusion that Google Earth labels trees with their ages!
More probably a lie that he can tell the age of trees on Google Earth and has looked at every tree on the island.
 
Reality Check said:
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Sites at different dates: Göbekli Tepe (~10,000 BCE), Easter Island (~800 CE), Chile (occupied since 3000 BCE, modern forest) and the Cook Islands (900 - 1200 CE , modern forest).
Sites separated by oceans that Neolithic people could not cross.
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Each day...how often do your fall down? Do you hit you head every time?

I AM NOT, and HAVE NOT dated any of these sites!

I have NOT attached any date, or these sites to GT, EI, or the government of modern Chile!

I beg you, stop being purposefully misleading.
 
What species of trees? they grow at remarkably different rates and to different sizes.

Some trees grow tall and thin, others spread wide, both could be the same age and from above would be completely different sizes.
 
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