HSienzant
Philosopher
You didn't read my prior posts in their entirety. Or you "Yadda Yadda'd" your way through them.
Let's review:
There is plenty of contemporaneous documentation that the Gawler's morticians weren't involved in the autopsy at any point, didn't see any of it, and didn't gain access to the body until the autopsy was completed.
First, there's this, what you call "the funeral arrangements document" that is a contemporaneous Gawler Funeral Home document called the "Funeral Arrangements of John F. Kennedy" prepared apparently by the owner himself.
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/md134/html/md134_0001a.htm
GAWLER AND HAGAN CONTINUED MEETINGS WITH MDW, HOSPITAL STAFF, SECRET SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF STATE, ETC. AT THIS MEETING WE WERE INFORMED TO STANDBY, UNTIL ALL EXAMINATIONS OF THE PRESIDENT'S BODY, WERE COMPLETED.
CLEARANCE WAS RECIEVED TO PROCEED WITH THE PREPARATION AFTER 11 P.M., NOVEMBER 22, 1963. UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF MR. HAGAN, THE EMBALMING, COSMETICS, RESTORATION (EXTENSIVE CRANIAL DAMAGE), DRESSING AND CASKETING WAS COMPLETED BY 4 A.M. ON SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 23, 1963.
So from this document we know two things: the morticians were held back until the autopsy completed, and the morticians started their work sometime after 11pm.
We also know that document isn't in strict chronological order as I documented previously.1
So your argument that the above (which mentions 11:00pm on Friday) follows the 2:00am on Saturday mention of the casket, is shown to be meaningless.
Then there is a separate document that you yourself cited, but ignored the times referenced therein. I covered it in this post: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12082596&postcount=3029
To summarize that post, Joe Hagan, whose recollections you have cited, was shown the contemporaneous documentation of the "Arrangements File" as reported by the ARRB here:
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/md182/html/md182_0005a.htm ((see page five).
Hagan confirmed it reported the morticians started their work at 11:45pm on Friday and concluded at 3:30am on Saturday. He also said those times were noted in his own handwriting. The contemporaneous documentation of that Gawler's document takes precedence over any recollections Hagan made years or decades after the event that you care to quote, or any hearsay from any book published years after the event you wish to utilize.
So from that document alone we know the morticians started their work at about 11:45pm on Friday and concluded at about 3:30am on Saturday morning.
Then there's this additional Gawler's document with Joe E Hagan's initials on it says the "arrangements" were at 11:00pm:
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/arrb/master_med_set/md129/html/md129_0001a.htm.
So this document might reference the fact that they were given the go-ahead to start work at that time, which means the autopsy was completed shortly before 11:00pm. It is in minor conflict with the 11:45pm time on the other Gawler document, but the morticians certainly started their work no sooner than 11:00pm and no later than 11:45pm on Friday according to the contemporaneous Gawler's evidence. Which means the autopsy was completed by before that time range of 11:00pm - 11:45pm.
There's also another contemporaneous document independent of anything from Gawler's, the contemporaneous FBI report of Sibert and O'Neill, both of which note the morticians did not gain access to the body until after the autopsy was completed. It says that here: http://www.jfklancer.com/docs.maps/S-O-3.GIF and you even quoted the pertinent passage here:
So, again, the Gawler's morticians didn't see any of the autopsy according to the contemporaneous evidence. They entered the autopsy room once the autopsy was completed.
And according to the Gawler's evidence, they started their work somewhere between 11:00pm - 11:45pm.
Your arguments are a convoluted series of taking quotes out of context, followed by the assumption that a document is in strict chronological order, followed by recollections from years or decades later, followed by some hearsay, followed by logical fallacies of assuming what you need to prove, all to reach your desired conclusion that the autopsy concluded at about 2:30am on Saturday.
It didn't.
The evidence says the autopsy ended about 11:00pm on Friday night, which reasonably agrees with Dr. Humes estimate from his Warren Commission testimony here:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/humes.htm
Mr. SPECTER - What time did this autopsy end?
Commander HUMES - At approximately 11 p.m.
It does not come close to confirming your argument that the autopsy concluded about 2:30am on Saturday morning.
You've been done for a while. You just didn't realize it until now.
Nobody cares what you think. Or what your beliefs are. This is based on evidence, not faith.
The evidence establishes your belief is wrong.
The evidence establishes your above statement is demonstrably false.
Hank
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1 See the next post.
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