Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories V: Five for Fighting

[abaddon]

Previous comment of mine nobody noticed:

Good for you that ties up with Hill's statement and Lipsey's testimony and leaves you nowhere.

 

[HSienzant]

Previous comment of mine nobody noticed:

We noticed.

You ignored the response:

Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Kellerman, did you state how long the autopsy lasted when you testified this morning?

Mr. KELLERMAN. No; I didn't. However, this is going to be an assumption on time...

Still trying to move the end of the autopsy to after 2:00 pm by using recollections that are admittedly built on assumptions.

Don't think we didn't notice this, either.

This is why nobody takes conspiracy nonsense seriously on this board.¹
We see you trying to sneak that reference in.

Reminder that the contemporaneous evidence is the autopsy ended about 11pm on Friday night.

Hank
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¹ Except you, of course.

 

[MicahJava]

Apparently Hank doesn't have a clue, even when Tom Robinson, Joe Hagan and John Van Hoesen of Gawler's funeral home have described witnessing autopsy procedures like dissection, probing, photography, etc.

 

[Tomtomkent]

Apparently Hank doesn't have a clue, even when Tom Robinson, Joe Hagan and John Van Hoesen of Gawler's funeral home have described witnessing autopsy procedures like dissection, probing, photography, etc.

If only you had proved that viable, rather than consistently, if unintentionally, proving it less likely.

 

[HSienzant]

Apparently Hank doesn't have a clue, even when Tom Robinson, Joe Hagan and John Van Hoesen of Gawler's funeral home have described witnessing autopsy procedures like dissection, probing, photography, etc.

Gawler's own documentation -- which you cite when you think it serves your purposes -- says they weren't allowed in until the autopsy was complete.

GAWLER AND HAGAN CONTINUED MEETINGS WITH MDW, HOSPITAL STAFF, SECRET SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF STATE, ETC. AT THIS MEETING WE WERE INFORMED TO STANDBY, UNTIL ALL EXAMINATIONS OF THE PRESIDENT'S BODY, WERE COMPLETED.

The FBI noted the same thing (and again you quoted it):

...the Sibert and O'Neil report states:

At the termination of the autopsy, the following personnel from Gawler’s Funeral Home entered the autopsy room to prepare the President’s body for burial...

That means any claims they made after the fact are clearly false. Either false recollections, an attempt to inflate their own importance, or the like.

Hank

 

[HSienzant]

Apparently Hank doesn't have a clue, even when Tom Robinson, Joe Hagan and John Van Hoesen of Gawler's funeral home have described witnessing autopsy procedures like dissection, probing, photography, etc.

At this point it's clear your only goal is to prolong the conversation.

You lost your arguments about the autopsy pages ago.

Just waiting at this point for you to realize it and change the subject -- or you can keep beating that dead horse.

Your call.

Hank

 

[MicahJava]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=q5th225wgsk

 

[Axxman300]

Updated score, MJ's latest failed argument:

 

[MicahJava]

Report by Roy Kellerman, 11/29/1963

The autopsy lasted until 2:30 AM, not 11 PM. So twice as long as most previously thought. People should have caught on to this earlier, after all, FBI agents Sibert and O'Neil always remembered that the back wound was discovered very late in the autopsy, while everybody else remembered that it was discovered earlier or midway-through.

 

[BStrong]

Report by Roy Kellerman, 11/29/1963

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/OTfn7ju.gif[/qimg]

The autopsy lasted until 2:30 AM, not 11 PM. So twice as long as most previously thought. People should have caught on to this earlier, after all, FBI agents Sibert and O'Neil always remembered that the back wound was discovered very late in the autopsy, while everybody else remembered that it was discovered earlier or midway-through.

With an error in the timeline, what does that prove in the context of the known evidence?

 

[BStrong]

Apparently Hank doesn't have a clue, even when Tom Robinson, Joe Hagan and John Van Hoesen of Gawler's funeral home have described witnessing autopsy procedures like dissection, probing, photography, etc.

How does the recollections of the above change the Carcano, projectiles, a dead DPD officer and LHO apprehended with the murder weapon in hand?

 

[Axxman300]

The autopsy lasted until 2:30 AM, not 11 PM. So twice as long as most previously thought. People should have caught on to this earlier, after all, FBI agents Sibert and O'Neil always remembered that the back wound was discovered very late in the autopsy, while everybody else remembered that it was discovered earlier or midway-through.

The document doesn't say what time the autopsy ended, just that they left the hospital at 3:56 a.m.

Doesn't matter what Sibert and O'Neil say, all that matters is what the Pathologists said and wrote in the report.

You're not good at this.

 

[Tomtomkent]

Report by Roy Kellerman, 11/29/1963

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/OTfn7ju.gif[/qimg]

The autopsy lasted until 2:30 AM, not 11 PM.

The document does not state this.
It states the time the body left the hospital.
At 3:56 AM.
That was AFTER the autopsy, and AFTER it was embalmed for travel and AFTER a police escort had been arranged for transport.

You conclude a lot of things that are not mentioned in the documents you post. This is a very bad habit.

 

[abaddon]

Report by Roy Kellerman, 11/29/1963

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/OTfn7ju.gif[/qimg]

The autopsy lasted until 2:30 AM, not 11 PM. So twice as long as most previously thought. People should have caught on to this earlier, after all, FBI agents Sibert and O'Neil always remembered that the back wound was discovered very late in the autopsy, while everybody else remembered that it was discovered earlier or midway-through.

No and your page does not claim that in any way.

 

[HSienzant]

At this point it's clear your only goal is to prolong the conversation.

You lost your arguments about the autopsy pages ago.

Just waiting at this point for you to realize it and change the subject -- or you can keep beating that dead horse.

Your call.

Hank

..The autopsy lasted until 2:30 AM, not 11 PM. So twice as long as most previously thought. People should have caught on to this earlier, after all, FBI agents Sibert and O'Neil always remembered that the back wound was discovered very late in the autopsy, while everybody else remembered that it was discovered earlier or midway-through.

So you're opting for beating the dead horse. We covered that already.

Sheer repetition of untruths doesn't make them more true.

All you're doing now is attempting to prolong the conversation.

Hank

 

[MicahJava]

The document does not state this.
It states the time the body left the hospital.
At 3:56 AM.
That was AFTER the autopsy, and AFTER it was embalmed for travel and AFTER a police escort had been arranged for transport.

You conclude a lot of things that are not mentioned in the documents you post. This is a very bad habit.

sigh

Look at the Clint Hill statement I posted before that one. When does he say he was called down by Roy Kellerman to see the body? 2:45 AM.

 

[Tomtomkent]

sigh

Look at the Clint Hill statement I posted before that one. When does he say he was called down by Roy Kellerman to see the body? 2:45 AM.

When he was called down AFTER the autopsy?
The statement that offers no clue of how long before the autopsy ended?
Yeah... sighing doesn’t change that none of those statements either mean, or suggest what you really wish they did.

 

[MicahJava]

When he was called down AFTER the autopsy?
The statement that offers no clue of how long before the autopsy ended?
Yeah... sighing doesn’t change that none of those statements either mean, or suggest what you really wish they did.

"...BEFORE THE EMBALMING..."

"...THE EMBALMING WAS PERFORMED AFTER..."

Can you read?

 

[Tomtomkent]

"...BEFORE THE EMBALMING..."

"...THE EMBALMING WAS PERFORMED AFTER..."

Can you read?

Yes.
I can read you just posted two lines about the EMBALMING, and none about the AUTOPSY.
He saw the body an unknown time AFTER the autopsy, BEFORE the embalming.

Congratulations. You have thoroughly proven there was a longer gap between those events, than some of the other witness you quoted realised.

Would you like to disprove your own timeline any more thoroughly?

 

[MicahJava]

Yes.
I can read you just posted two lines about the EMBALMING, and none about the AUTOPSY.
He saw the body an unknown time AFTER the autopsy, BEFORE the embalming.

Congratulations. You have thoroughly proven there was a longer gap between those events, than some of the other witness you quoted realised.

Would you like to disprove your own timeline any more thoroughly?

Okay Tomtomkent, whatever you just said, you can have that.