Senator Al Franken Kissed and Groped Me Without My Consent, And There’s Nothing Funny

TheL8Elvis said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeann_Tweeden

She has also appeared on the political discussion series Hannity, as a member of the "Great American Panel" and occasionally appeared on the panel of Red Eye w/ Greg Gutfeld.[4]

In 1996, Tweeden appeared non-nude in a fitness model pictorial for Playboy magazine. Fifteen years later, at 38 years old, she appeared again in the December, 2011 issue of Playboy, this time posing in a nude pictorial. IIn 2002, she was a guest character in the motocross video game Freekstyle as a motocross rider. The March 2007 Issue of FHM (which was the final printed US issue) featured Tweeden as the cover girl.[5] As part of Hooters' 25th anniversary in 2008, she was named among "The Top Hooters Girls of all time".[6]

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For the record, this is an even more blatant example of slut-shaming than what Skeptic Ginger posted.
 
xjx388 said:
For the record, this is an even more blatant example of slut-shaming than what Skeptic Ginger posted.
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here was her response: "Relevant, I hate to go for the history thing, it's not always fair. But this does seem at least a little relevant."
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
No, there isn't.

Not yet anyway.
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The dude won by just a few hundred votes back when he didn't have a scandal around his neck making him look (at best) insensitive to the problem of nonconsensual sexual objectification and sexual harassment in the workplace.

Can Franken reasonably expect to win again in these times?
 
xjx388 said:
I'm questioning why Oystein calls TBD "Vile" and "liar" simply because he disagrees with TBD's posts, yet, Oystein also disagrees with you but does not call you names. Just pointing out the inconsistency.

I don't misunderstand your post. You are making an argument that she is very likely to have been groped and harassed many times in her career so why single out Franken. That argument is speculative ...
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Right, because some gorgeous women who work at Hooters for years have not ever been harassed. :rolleyes: Sorry but your default position is ludicrous.

xjx388 said:
... and irrelevant. If you aren't bringing it up to throw shade on Tweeden, then why bring it up? It doesn't excuse Franken.
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To point out her accusations about Franken seem exaggerated. She clearly hates the guy. That can color one's perception at the time during the USO tour.

I don't doubt she believes her perception of Franken's motives. I am not sure her perception—he wrote the skit and wanted to practice it so he could kiss her— is valid. That implies she knows Franken's motive but she has no way of verifying that motive.

xjx388 said:
... I will offer one clarification: "slut-shaming" may not be a completely accurate way to characterize your argument. However, it is certainly closely related to what you are doing here -throwing shade on the victim in order to sow doubt about her motivations for coming forward in Franken's case.
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Bull ****. You can hunt trough all my posts and you will not find any examples of slut shaming because I most definietley don't believe in slut-shaming. But you can believe whatever you want, it obviously goes with your confirmation bias.
When the accusers come out of the woodwork, the subject can be revisited.

In the meantime, Franken has been a supporter of women's rights for decades. And his response to the accusation fits with my confirmation bias, that he is indeed sensitive and has decided if his behavior has been crass he's determined to change it.
 
casebro said:
That is about as sexist as the word that starts with a C and rhymes with hunt.

Put that hypocrisy in your vagina hat.
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I thought 'dong' among other words were worse. By all means do tell us the PC word I should have used.

Penis I guess, I'll try not to offend you. :rolleyes:
 
KatieG said:
Because it's continuously being called out as groping. There is a definitive difference.
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The news pundits are doing the same thing, calling it groping when groping means something other than a fake grope for a photo joke.

It lessens what actual groping is, and it makes a crime of any sexual jokes whatsoever. I get it, some people are outraged. Personally, I don't draw the line at such a prudish point. At the same time, the important stuff should not go unnoticed like the Steubenville pictures.
 
d4m10n said:
The dude won by just a few hundred votes back when he didn't have a scandal around his neck making him look (at best) insensitive to the problem of nonconsensual sexual objectification and sexual harassment in the workplace.

Can Franken reasonably expect to win again in these times?
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[Makes sure we are in the Franken thread]

Yes, I think the reason the election was close was Franken was a comedian and not a proven legislator. Now he has a legislator track record and my guess is Minnesotans are pleased with his record.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Bull ****. You can hunt trough all my posts and you will not find any examples of slut shaming because I most definietley don't believe in slut-shaming. But you can believe whatever you want, it obviously goes with your confirmation bias.
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Your post was a classic example of slut shaming and The Big Dog exposed it thoroughly.


When the accusers come out of the woodwork, the subject can be revisited.
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No, only one is needed.
In the meantime, Franken has been a supporter of women's rights for decades. And his response to the accusation fits with my confirmation bias, that he is indeed sensitive and has decided if his behavior has been crass he's determined to change it.
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What did you expect when he’s been caught?
Don’t forget he’s known this picture was out for awhile. ;)
 
xjx388 said:
It really doesn’t matter who does it, it’s always a problem, wouldn’t you agree?
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Yes but maybe should should look up the definition. It is not "showing women dress in sexy clothes in sexy poses". It is what you dismiss about what happened to the woman because of that dress/posing, something I did not do.

I asked why Franken's actions made such an impression on her when surely other men must have also objectified her? That doesn't have **** to do with saying she egged Franken on or she should have expected Franken to want to jam his tongue down her mouth.

If anything, maybe those expectations, that men objectify her, is what led her to assume certain things about Franken's motives.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Yes but maybe should should look up the definition. It is not "showing women dress in sexy clothes in sexy poses". It is what you dismiss about what happened to the woman because of that dress/posing, something I did not do.

I asked why Franken's actions made such an impression on her when surely other men must have also objectified her? That doesn't have **** to do with saying she egged Franken on or she should have expected Franken to want to jam his tongue down her mouth.

If anything, maybe those expectations, that men objectify her, is what led her to assume certain things about Franken's motives.
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Does her history of working at Hooters or posing nude for Playboy have any relevance to her allegations against Franken?

I think it is a dangerous route to go down.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Yes but maybe should should look up the definition. It is not "showing women dress in sexy clothes in sexy poses". It is what you dismiss about what happened to the woman because of that dress/posing, something I did not do.

I asked why Franken's actions made such an impression on her when surely other men must have also objectified her? That doesn't have **** to do with saying she egged Franken on or she should have expected Franken to want to jam his tongue down her mouth.

If anything, maybe those expectations, that men objectify her, is what led her to assume certain things about Franken's motives.
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Lol

Every woman on this planet gets that treatment from men. But what Franken did was way beyond what any woman should have to deal with. The way you brought up her modeling was again, classic slut shaming. If a woman gets her ass pinched walking down the street, you pretty much said “why is she upset she should be used to it since she’s wearing those yoga pants all the time”
 
logger said:
Lol

Every woman on this planet gets that treatment from men. But what Franken did was way beyond what any woman should have to deal with. The way you brought up her modeling was again, classic slut shaming. If a woman gets her ass pinched walking down the street, you pretty much said “why is she upset she should be used to it since she’s wearing those yoga pants all the time”
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Tote that barge, lift that bail....

Clutch those pearls.


Him being a member of the loyal opposition have anything to do with your convenient sense of outrage.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Tote that barge, lift that bail....

Clutch those pearls.

Him being a member of the loyal opposition have anything to do with your convenient sense of outrage.
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Nor the terrible arguments being raised to defend him, and smear the accuser by the loyal proponents.

She worked at hooters.
 
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