Senator Al Franken Kissed and Groped Me Without My Consent, And There’s Nothing Funny

[Oystein]

That is the most amazing job of bending over backwards that I have ever seen. I mean, seriously? Her claim is only credible if she mentions the hundred other times some schnook nobody has ever heard of behaved like a jackass to her? What is the point?

I didn't say it's a good point, I said it misses the mark.

But it ain't slut-shaming either.

 

[johnny karate]

Tweeden's interview with Jake Tapper is very good, and removes any lingering doubts I might have had about her motivations. She comes across as credible and sincere. I have immense respect for her.

And for what its worth, Franken's second apology (not sure if it's been posted or linked in this thread yet) is more articulate and heartfelt than his lame first attempt. He's admitted to what he did and is willing to face the consequences. I find that respectable too.

 

[The Big Dog]

You badly need to drop this vile lie, it reflects disgustingly on your character.

Ginger said nothing - NOTHING!!! - about "justifying" the harrassment. You strategically missed my earlier, full explanation of how you totally misconstrue her argument.

So please stop repeating this obnoxious, clearly malevolent lie.

You even manage to misconstrue your own lie. Know no shame?

Uh huh. She just posted nsfw pictures of the accuser to uh... show that she would have been groped before and... therefore... walk us through it again?

Really, love to hear how her history at hooters and her nsfw pictures, you know, fit in here.

Because it seems like blunt slut shaming of the worst type.

 

[dudalb]

Let me stop you after your third try and ask that, if you have an issue with a specific person's contribution, please...be specific. Vague, blanket denunciations (not to mention the faux quote in the second of your posts above) don't help address what you appear to claim is problematic.

OK:SKeptic Ginger is doing her best to let Franken off the hook.

 

[varwoche]

SO if someone says "I'M Sorry" he should not be punished for his behavior?
Nice.

That's a rather shallow take on things.

Tweeden thinks that Franken's apology was "heartfelt".

 

[Oystein]

The trouble is that I don't believe Travis is talking about either of these. Rather that what he did was illegal, and so he should be in prison because that's what happens to people who do illegal things. He's not worrying about the legalities of the issue, just that the action was illegal.

However let's break it down. The first question is, should there even be a statue of limitations on Sexual abuse and assault, especially given that we know that it can take years, if not decades, for victims to come forward, be it due to fear of reprisals,of not being believed, or what it could do to their families. Should abuses be able to get away with things just because they managed to intimidate their victims well enough that they don't get accused in time?

If you were to support the view that there should be no time limit to sexual misconduct allegations, then the statement that "Moore should be in Jail" is not at all nonsense, but rather a statement of position against Statue of Limitations on Sex Crimes.

This seems to me to be quite a legitimate comment to make.

Then he should have made it. But even then, the present tensr would almost certainly not apply - either future, as in "this came out now, so prosecute now and send him to jail soon", or past as in "this should have been dealt with long ago and he should have served time already".
Unless you also envision many years of jail time. Which, frankly, would be nonsense.

 

[dudalb]

So American Politics is coming to this:All that Matters is whether there is a R or a D after you name......

 

[logger]

I wouldn't

USA politics might need to have US law referenced?

 

[dudalb]

Liberals and Conservatives have one thing in common:Hypocrisy.

 

[johnny karate]

That's a rather shallow take on things.

Tweeden thinks that Franken's apology was "heartfelt".

And Franken is willing to go before the Senate Ethics Committee and face the consequences. It doesn't excuse what he did, but at least it's an acknowledgment that he knows he did something wrong.

 

[Oystein]

I do not know, it appears that because she worked at hooters and took sexy pictures and was probably groped worse that... uh.... she should not be complaining about Senator Al Franken groping her or something?

**** if I know.

Anyway, there is a link to her bikini pictures in this thread for some damn reason, but not for slut shaming.

...then she would be inconsistent if she blamed Al Franken ONLY and one could wonder why. (I am not saying this is a good argument, just telling you what the argument is)

And no, it's not slut shaming. You should have dropped that lie a long time ago.

 

[varwoche]

Let me stop you after your third try and ask that, if you have an issue with a specific person's contribution, please...be specific. Vague, blanket denunciations (not to mention the faux quote in the second of your posts above) don't help address what you appear to claim is problematic.

I couldn't agree more. Vague denunciations addressed to the air don't give readers (including the purported offenders) a chance to evaluate.

 

[johnny karate]

Liberals and Conservatives have one thing in common:Hypocrisy.

As a Liberal who has been critical of Franken from the outset, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't use such a broad brush.

 

[logger]

And Franken is willing to go before the Senate Ethics Committee and face the consequences. It doesn't excuse what he did, but at least it's an acknowledgment that he knows he did something wrong.

Something?

I think he knows exactly what he did wrong.

 

[Oystein]

I have been instructed that pointing that out is a "vile" "lie" because she probably got more groped while working at hooters or wearing a bikini and here are the bikini pictures and therefore ... step two missing...Reelect Al Franken!

Step two ignored. You misconstrue your own lie.

 

[Stacko]

And Franken is willing to go before the Senate Ethics Committee and face the consequences. It doesn't excuse what he did, but at least it's an acknowledgment that he knows he did something wrong.

The Church of Both Sides must receive it tithes in order to provide cover for the vast hypocrisy gap. It allows the violators to pretend all is equal.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

I just have a standard of zero tolerance towards sexual abuse and harassment.

I'll take you at your word. However, I wouldn't be surprised if, out in the real world rather than the clinical arena of an internet discussion forum, you are at least somewhat more understanding of situational nuance.

I think that these is a lot of hypocrisy in this, and it's not the first time I have seen it on this board, and in general.

Perhaps; perhaps you exaggerate.

Yes there are a number of people saying Franken should go, but what Trump did was fine (and even supporting Moore with a "but we don't know it's true) but there are also though defending Franken with "Boys will be boys" and "It's just backstage messing about" while they are extremely critical of the whole "It's locker room talk" thing. Being in a place of zero tolerance, both situations need to be called out and dealt with, you just don't ignore the actions of your side because they aren't as bad as the other side's actions.

As one who earlier offered a personal perspective regarding backstage behavior, I can assure you I am not "ignor[ing] the actions of [my] side because they aren't as bad as the other side's," I am judging each allegation on its own merits, including the apparent context as well as established patterns pre and post incident.

 

[johnny karate]

Something?

I think he knows exactly what he did wrong.

Right... that's what I said. But thanks for your bizarro world grammatical parsing.

 

[Oystein]

And I, for one, appreciate it. She definitely fills those bikinis to the rim. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that being attractive does not constitute an invitation to grab.

Correct, and neither Ginger nor I said or implied it did.

 

[The Big Dog]

...then she would be inconsistent if she blamed Al Franken ONLY and one could wonder why. (I am not saying this is a good argument, just telling you what the argument is)

And no, it's not slut shaming. You should have dropped that lie a long time ago.

Uh huh, she needed to post nsfw pictures to show whe would have had been groped before and was inconsistent, or some contemptible ********.

And the fact you disagree with me makes me lying?

The fact that she has a terrible excuse to post slut shaming pictures and claiming her work history and looks makes her a target for groping does not mean she was not being slut shamed.

Blatant obvious slut shaming. Not sure how you are missing this.

Although I get a kick out of the fact That you disagree with me makes me “lying.” Oh brother.

Post some bikini pictures. They are “relevant.”