Cont: The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 27

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Lots of movie projects get stuck in 'development hell'. Usually if it isnt made within a certain number of years it never gets made. But there have been movies produced as long as 50 years after the rights have been bought. I can't remember the name of the author but I remember him talking about how a writer should approach selling the movie rights to a boo. 'First, it will never get made and second, it isn't your story any more so if it does get made, don't expect the movie to tell the story you wrote'. He said he had sold the movie rights to 8 books before one of them got actually made.

I have a relative in the industry, who now has a regular pass to TIFF. Acc. to him there is no rhyme or reason to why or how a pitch for a film gets mired in D.H., or even how it suddenly breaks free. Apparently, Ron Howard has made a career out of dragging concepts out of D.H., sometimes agreeing to be a last minute replacement as director, where the previous one was not getting it done.

Apparently, "12 Years a Slave" almost did not get made over petty disputes over who should get a screenplay credit.

Of course this is all my own confirmation bias, but I think a Clooney-backed MOF film based on Preston's book would be a winner. Then again, I thought Winterbottom's "The Face of an Angel" was a good film!

That's what confirmation bias will do for you.
 
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I have a relative in the industry, who now has a regular pass to TIFF. Acc. to him there is no rhyme or reason to why or how a pitch for a film gets mired in D.H., or even how it suddenly breaks free. Apparently, Ron Howard has made a career out of dragging concepts out of D.H., sometimes agreeing to be a last minute replacement as director, where the previous one was not getting it done.

Apparently, "12 Years a Slave" almost did not get made over petty disputes over who should get a screenplay credit.

Of course this is all my own confirmation bias, but I think a Clooney-backed MOF film based on Preston's book would be a winner. Then again, I thought Winterbottom's "The Face of an Angel" was a good film!

That's what confirmation bias will do for you.

It could be a 'winner', but there are so many other variables beyond the basic story, including the script, the actors, the director and the editing. More than a few movies received horrible audience receptions during test screenings only to be re-edited and go on to win rave reviews and Oscars.
 
Chris Robinoson, grandson of late newspaper owner, Jerry Robinson, whose stable of papers, including West Seattle Herald, is now run by his four sons?

That one?

The nephew of Ken Robinson who got into an almighty spat with Mignini about the lies and slurs he made on him, in an attempt to pervert the course of justice in the Kercher case? That one?

What are the sources for this information? As I cannot find ANY of this information. Care to back up your post with actual citations? Or is this more fecal matter pulled out of your ass?

Wikipedia lists 6 Christopher Robinsons. None of which is the Christopher Robinson that is dating Amanda Knox. Clearly, Robinson is a common surname. But interestingly, I can't find a single link that connects Christopher Robinson to the Robinson Newspapers other than two articles about Amanda.
This is what I found about Christopher Robinson.

Christopher Robinson is the co-author, with Gavin Kovite, of War of the Encyclopaedists (Scribner May, 2015). His work has appeared widely, in such places as Salon.com, New England Review, Kenyon Review, and McSweeney's Online. He is a recipient of fellowships from the MacDowell Colony, Yaddo, and Bread Loaf, and he has been a finalist for numerous prizes, including the Ruth Lilly Fellowship and the Yale Younger Poets Prize. He earned his MA in poetry from Boston University and his MFA from Hunter College.

What is doubly interesting to me is Christopher Robinson's book 'War of the Encyclopediasts' was reviewed by the New York Times yet the Robinson Newspaper chain NEVER mentions his book or has any articles written by Christopher Robinson. If he is related as you claim don't you think that the family newspapers would promote their own kin?
 
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Let me give you a tip. When a sentence begins with the words, 'Seriously, though', that is a clue as to the nature of the previous sentence/s.


The sentence, 'Then people marry and the sex stops', was the sentence immediately previous to the words, 'Seriously, though'.

Let me know if you are still unclear as to whether it was a joke or not.

I read it again. You are right. I misread it. Now see what an adult does when they are wrong? They admit it. Being able to admit error is a sign of emotional maturity.

Incidentally, your claim that your model is the only acceptable model of 'happily married' is once again naive and misconceived. There are plenty of couples who are happily married and don't have much sex. for example, because of things like prostate cancer, diabetes, heart trouble, etc., etc. Then there are those happy to live as carers to their relatives, or as a gay couple, or where the woman has just had a baby and her hormones aren't in the mood, or, even <gasp> as single.
So please think before claiming you are the golden mean as to what is 'normal sex'.

Amazing. I never claimed any such thing. This is the sum total of what I said about marriage:

So sex stops after marriage, does it? Happily, that hasn't been my experience after 35 years of marriage. But maybe for some, it does stop.

Your habit of claiming I said things I never said got tiresome long ago. Please stop.



Your being an atheist is completely irrelevant. It was you and acbytesla who brought up the argument, 'It's Christians who hate the idea of Amanda Knox sleeping around promiscuously, and it is because of their ideology'.

When I said

By the way, being an atheist has absolutely nothing to do with love of family. No doubt. Or do you think only believers love their families?

it was in response to your now deleted post going on about how religion was the foundation of civilization and the family, etc. I was pointing out how religion had nothing to do with loving one's family.

I said absolutely nothing about Christians and their views on Amanda's sex life or their ideology. Once again, you are claiming I said things I never said. Stop it.

Wrong. It is a recognised behavioural disorder of psychopathy.
I never said it wasn't. What is wrong is your claims that Amanda's sex life was out of the range of normal behavior. It wasn't. You do know that Meredith had her own sex life before going to Italy and was having casual sex with Silenzi, right? Or was she also showing signs of psychopathy? And that's sarcasm.

Yes, many students sleep around, but how many actually go into explicit detail in 'MySpace' or write half a book about it as though they invented it?.

Amanda did neither of those. Stop making things up. You forget that most, if not all, of us here have read her book. You have not. You just regurgitate what other PGP have said. Would you care to quote anything she wrote on her Myspace page or in her book that is sexually explicit? HINT: you can't.

Fact is, Knox was writing rape-porn long before she even got to Perugia.

No, fact is not. Why do you keep repeating this lie over and over again? We've been through this before several times where your claims were disproven. You cannot quote anything from either of her two stories that is anything remotely pornographic. Additionally, her story Baby Brother was an anti-rape story and her other story never mentioned rape at all. That is a PGP invention. If you can prove otherwise, do so. But since you failed to do it before, I won't hold my breath.


Raff said he wanted 'extreme experiences', so no doubt the pair thought they'd try out their depraved fantasies whilst no-one was home but Mez.

Oh, dear...there's that "no doubt" again. You do know that extreme experiences can mean a lot of things, don't you? Skydiving, bungee jumping, mountain climbing all come to mind. But to the PGP, it must be murdering a girl he barely knew and had no motive to harm.

What I'd like to see is an Italian original, in context, quote of what he actually wrote. Not that anything would be taken out of context or misinterpreted. You know, just like the police never took Amanda's "I was there" statement out of context and released it to the press as a confession to being at the cottage. Nah....
 
Come off it. They are literary. Knox' outpourings are self-serving trash, designed purely to line her pockets and to deceive unwary readers.

We know Knox' book is porno trash, as bemused TV commentators announced it as being full of her sex adventures when it first came out.

We know nothing of the kind, but then, we own the book and have read it. How about you document the pages and paragraphs that qualifies as porno and so fully populates the book. That should be interesting.

BTW, you've already fulfilled meeting the "glib capacity for compulsive lying" criteria (several times over, in fact) to qualify as a psychopath so you can stop this lying whenever you want. Why not start providing us some of the details of your youthful sexcapades so we can start documenting another criteria for you - "reckless promiscuity". We don't need the whole thing, just a few minor details and then we'll fill in the blanks, just as you've been doing for Amanda. It's really amazing how easily you can prove someone a psychopath when you get to make crap up all the time.
 
Chris Robinoson, grandson of late newspaper owner, Jerry Robinson, whose stable of papers, including West Seattle Herald, is now run by his four sons?

That one?

The nephew of Ken Robinson who got into an almighty spat with Mignini about the lies and slurs he made on him, in an attempt to pervert the course of justice in the Kercher case? That one?

The one who is using Knox' infamy to boost his flagging writing career? That one?


So, big deal, they had 'coffee with Paxton' t'other day. What about the lady from Kazaksthan whom Knox also had coffee with? The one who reported her to the Perugia police for moaning she couldn't get access to her belongings in the house, thanks to her room mate being murdered. How inconsiderate of Mez!

I asked you before to provide evidence that Chris R is related to the Seattle Herald Robinsons. You failed to do so. Frankly, I have no idea if he is or isn't. But I'm not the one making the claim he is. What I do know is that, like ACbyTesla, I could find no evidence anywhere that he is related to them. Yet, you continue to claim something for which you have no evidence either. Let me see if I can act surprised at that. Hmmmmm....nope.

As for your comments regarding Chris R, why the need to make such nasty remarks about him when you know absolutely nothing about him? It's yet another example of the need to denigrate everything and everyone connected to Knox. Sadly, I am not surprised at this either.

No, it's no big deal that Amanda and Madison had coffee recently. Friends often do that. What it does do, however, is disprove your lies about Amanda having dropped Madison and Madison wanting nothing to do with Amanda.

LOL...Nice try at spin. Ardak Kussainova didn't "report" her to the police for anything. The police interviewed her. Ardak simply told them about being Amanda's classmate, going to the cottage several times to study and play guitar, having dinner with Amanda, Laura, Filomena and Meredith. She also said one of those night, Meredith and Amanda were leaving early to go to a music concert. She said she did not know Raffaele, and had only seen the boys downstairs there who where smoking and watching TV. She said she had seen Amanda on Halloween dressed as a cat at the pub.

She also said:

I remember that the teacher summoned Negri commented on the perugia genius. the girls present reported to the teacher that she had watched on television. I remember that the teacher asked for the reason for his television presence. Amanda replied that she lived at Meredith and though she could not talk about why the police had told her not to report details. I remember at the end of the lesson I talked to amanda, who was annoyed by the fact that the apartment had been seized and therefore she could not take her clothes.

Your need to negatively embellish what Ardak said is typical of your need to paint Amanda in the nastiest way possible. Just stop it. Try sticking to the facts and leaving your personal spin out of it. It's childish.
 
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In MARTIN v. ESTONIA 35985/09 30/05/2013, the ECHR found a violation of Articles 6.1 with 6.3c. The relevance to the AK – RS case includes a demonstration of how the ECHR infers police misconduct from even seemingly subtle violations of legally authorized procedures by the authorities.

Martin, 18 years old on July 1, 2006, was arrested July 19, 2006 and detained on suspicion of murdering a 16-year old schoolmate. Martin initially denied having committed a murder, but after about 2 weeks in police custody had been apparently induced by the police to waive his right in a writing (two differing copies exist in the file) to the defense lawyer, Javre, chosen by his parents, and instead accepted a public-aid lawyer, R., chosen by the police. On the day the public-aid lawyer met with him, Martin confessed to the murder and demonstrated how he had committed it during a police-guided reconstruction at the crime scene on that day (Aug. 7) and the next (Aug. 8). The police had not followed the prescribed legal procedures of notifying the private lawyer that he had been replaced, which would include a court hearing to verify that the accused had replaced his private lawyer on his own volition, and then obtaining a public-aid lawyer selected by the bar association, rather than by the police.

Further details of the case shows varying statements by Martin. The case file contains two documents dated Aug. 7 and 8, respectively, the first denying the crime and the second confessing to it. Police videotaped a confession by Martin in the presence of lawyer R on Aug. 10. However, on Aug. 11, a new lawyer, G., was authorized for Martin by a client agreement. On Aug. 28 Martin was interrogated in the presence of lawyer G. and denied committing the murder. Martin was brought to trial, with lawyer Javre as defense counsel, and was convicted of murder largely on the basis of his confessions. On appeal, the appeal court found that the specific details of Martin's confessions were not admissible, but affirmed Martin's conviction in large part upon the “general knowledge” that he had confessed.

The ECHR inferred that because the police had not followed the formal, legal procedures for the replacement of the lawyer, but rather informal and irregular procedures, Martin had been deprived of the legal representation of his choice during the interrogation in which he confessed. The conviction, even relying only on the “general knowledge” that he had confessed, was thus unfair. Therefore, there was a violation of Article 6.1 with 6.3c.

Here are some excerpts from the judgment:

91. The Court further notes, in this connection, that the haste with which the procedural measures were carried out on 7 August 2006 is unexplained. It appears that the investigation proceeded immediately after the applicant had terminated Mr Järve’s services: his interrogation started at 8.05 p.m. and the subsequent crime scene reconstruction lasted until almost midnight (see paragraph 17 above). Against that background, the applicant’s allegation about pressure exerted by the investigator does not appear misplaced.
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93. Based on the above elements, in particular the authorities’ failure to make use of the formal procedure for the removal of counsel in case there were doubts about a conflict of interests on his part and their reliance, instead, on informal talks with the applicant, the applicant’s young age as well as his apparent instability, which prompted his subsequent psychiatric and psychological expert examination on two occasions, and also the seriousness of the charges, the Court is not satisfied that the applicant’s wish to replace counsel of his own (his parents’) choosing could be considered genuine in the circumstances of the present case. It considers that there was an infringement of the applicant’s right to defend himself through legal assistance of his own choosing. Having made that finding, the Court considers it unnecessary to further deal with the issue that at a later stage of the pre-trial proceedings the applicant was interrogated twice without the presence of counsel.
94. The Court recalls in this connection that the guarantees in paragraph 3 (c) of Article 6 are specific aspects of the right to a fair hearing set forth in paragraph 1 of this provision, which must be taken into account in any assessment of the fairness of proceedings. In addition, the Court’s primary concern under Article 6 § 1 is to evaluate the overall fairness of the criminal proceedings (see, mutatis mutandis, Al-Khawaja and Tahery v. the United Kingdom [GC], nos. 26766/05 and 22228/06, § 118, ECHR 2011, and Taxquet v. Belgium [GC], no. 926/05, § 84, ECHR 2010, both with further references). The Court has also had regard to the subsequent use of statements made by the applicant during the preliminary investigation in breach of his defence rights. The Court notes that there is no dispute that that evidence was used against the applicant by the County Court. The Court of Appeal, having found that the County Court had unduly relied on the applicant’s pre-trial statements, excluded all such statements from the body of evidence. However, on the basis of an analysis of the remaining evidence it found that the applicant’s conviction was nevertheless safe.
95. The Court notes in this context that, despite excluding the applicant’s pre-trial statements, the Court of Appeal considered that there was nothing to prevent the use of such “general knowledge”. It went on to observe that the confession of murder had to a large extent been the reason why the applicant had been committed to trial with a murder charge, and the investigative measures had been carried out on the basis of that knowledge (see paragraph 48 above).
96. The Court considers that the exclusion of the pre-trial statements from the body of evidence reveals the importance that the Court of Appeal attaches to securing a suspect’s defence rights from the early stages of the proceedings. Although tainted evidence as such can be left aside in the subsequent proceedings, in the present case the Court of Appeal’s decision nevertheless demonstrated that the consequences of the breach of defence rights had not been totally undone.
97. In the light of the above considerations, the Court concludes that the applicant’s defence rights were irretrievably prejudiced owing to his inability to defend himself through legal assistance of his own choosing.
It follows that there has been a violation of Article 6 §§ 1 and 3 (c) of the Convention.
 
I asked you before to provide evidence that Chris R is related to the Seattle Herald Robinsons. You failed to do so. Frankly, I have no idea if he is or isn't. But I'm not the one making the claim he is. What I do know is that, like ACbyTesla, I could find no evidence anywhere that he is related to them. Yet, you continue to claim something for which you have no evidence either. Let me see if I can act surprised at that. Hmmmmm....nope.
A little data to help.

There are 607,945 people in the U.S. with the last name Robinson.
Statistically the 27th most popular last name.
There are 3,155 people with the name Christopher Robinson living in the United States.
http://howmanyofme.com/search/?sur=robinson&given=christopher

The State of Washington makes up 2.5 percent of the United States so a reasonable estimate of the number of people with the surname Robinson living in Washington State is about 16,000 people. There are around 80 people named Christopher Robinson in the State which means about 45 with that name living in the Seattle metropolitan area. The odds are far greater that Amanda Knox's boyfriend is not related to the Robinson newspaper family than that he is.

Now I don't think it is all relevant whether or not he is. There certainly is no reason to believe Amanda was hired because of an intimate relationship with Christopher as she was dating someone else when she was hired.

But what is relevant, is how Vixen can confidently say there is a familial relationship since I can't find this published anywhere.

I suggest given Vixen's track record of fabricating stories outright and embellishing other stories with falsehoods, this is far more likely to be a lie than the truth. And that is sad. As Vixen said 'compulsive lying is a diagnostic for psychopathy' Makes you go 'hmmmm'.
 
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A little data to help.

There are 607,945 people in the U.S. with the last name Robinson.
Statistically the 27th most popular last name.
There are 3,155 people with the name Christopher Robinson living in the United States.
http://howmanyofme.com/search/?sur=robinson&given=christopher

The State of Washington makes up 2.5 percent of the United States so a reasonable estimate of the number of people with the surname Robinson living in Washington State is about 16,000 people. There are around 80 people named Christopher Robinson in the State which means about 45 with that name living in the Seattle metropolitan area. The odds are far greater that Amanda Knox's boyfriend is not related to the Robinson newspaper family than that he is.

Now I don't think it is all relevant whether or not he is. There certainly is no reason to believe Amanda was hired because of an intimate relationship with Christopher as she was dating someone else when she was hired.

But what is relevant, is how Vixen can confidently say there is a familial relationship since I can't find this published anywhere.

I suggest given Vixen's track record of fabricating stories outright and embellishing other stories with falsehoods, this is far more likely to be a lie than the truth. And that is sad. As Vixen said 'compulsive lying is a diagnostic for psychopathy' Makes you go 'hmmmm'.

What I find so fascinating is the need to constantly denigrate and smear anyone connected to Amanda by so many PGP. I think we here are all very familiar with those to whom I am referring. These are the people still banging on in TJMK and in comment sections online. It doesn't matter whether these people connected to Amanda knew her before, during, or after the murder. It doesn't matter how innocent the connection. What does matter to these PGP is to besmirch them because they think that, somehow, this will strengthen their claims of her guilt. It doesn't. All it does is show just how incredibly blind they are to their own complete lack of any objectivity.
 
What I find so fascinating is the need to constantly denigrate and smear anyone connected to Amanda by so many PGP. I think we here are all very familiar with those to whom I am referring. These are the people still banging on in TJMK and in comment sections online. It doesn't matter whether these people connected to Amanda knew her before, during, or after the murder. It doesn't matter how innocent the connection. What does matter to these PGP is to besmirch them because they think that, somehow, this will strengthen their claims of her guilt. It doesn't. All it does is show just how incredibly blind they are to their own complete lack of any objectivity.

It is fascinating and it is sick. We're all evil because we don't believe Amanda is guilty. Vixen has trashed the characters of John Douglas, Dr Peter Gill, Dr. Hampikian, Curt Knox, Edda Mellas, Karen Pruett, Mario Spiezi, Doug Preston, Candace Dempsey, US Senator Patty Murray, Judge Heavey, Dr. Conti, Dr. Vechiotti, Madison Paxton, Amanda's sister, Amanda's last boyfriend and now her current one as well as many other people.

What kind of person launches a scorched earth avalanche of hideous remarks about people she KNOWS nothing about?
 
A little data to help.

There are 607,945 people in the U.S. with the last name Robinson.
Statistically the 27th most popular last name.
There are 3,155 people with the name Christopher Robinson living in the United States.
http://howmanyofme.com/search/?sur=robinson&given=christopher

The State of Washington makes up 2.5 percent of the United States so a reasonable estimate of the number of people with the surname Robinson living in Washington State is about 16,000 people. There are around 80 people named Christopher Robinson in the State which means about 45 with that name living in the Seattle metropolitan area. The odds are far greater that Amanda Knox's boyfriend is not related to the Robinson newspaper family than that he is.

Now I don't think it is all relevant whether or not he is. There certainly is no reason to believe Amanda was hired because of an intimate relationship with Christopher as she was dating someone else when she was hired.

But what is relevant, is how Vixen can confidently say there is a familial relationship since I can't find this published anywhere.

I suggest given Vixen's track record of fabricating stories outright and embellishing other stories with falsehoods, this is far more likely to be a lie than the truth. And that is sad. As Vixen said 'compulsive lying is a diagnostic for psychopathy' Makes you go 'hmmmm'.

When it comes to PGP "surely it is not humanly possible for people to be this stupid" comes to mind when I see what they write. As myself and others have pointed out PGP posters lie on an industrial scale in their posts and claim lying is a sign of psychopathy. By doing this PGP posters have shot themselves in the foot by branding themselves as psychopaths and other posters can use this against PGP posters. PGP have no absolutely no understanding of this at all. In addition PGP have no understanding it is hypocritical to attack someone for lying when lying on an industrial scale in their posts. It is funny seeing PGP giving the impression they are highly intelligent, have obtained membership of MENSA and have obtained degrees whilst showing such chronic mental impairment they can't understand even the simplest concepts.
 
It is fascinating and it is sick. We're all evil because we don't believe Amanda is guilty. Vixen has trashed the characters of John Douglas, Dr Peter Gill, Dr. Hampikian, Curt Knox, Edda Mellas, Karen Pruett, Mario Spiezi, Doug Preston, Candace Dempsey, US Senator Patty Murray, Judge Heavey, Dr. Conti, Dr. Vechiotti, Madison Paxton, Amanda's sister, Amanda's last boyfriend and now her current one as well as many other people.

What kind of person launches a scorched earth avalanche of hideous remarks about people she KNOWS nothing about?

One of my favorite PGP looney tune smears is the "you knowingly support murderers" as if we all believe RS and AK are killers but we support them anyway. What?! Only someone truly unhinged would think that. But I've seen that accusation far more than once.
 
One of my favorite PGP looney tune smears is the "you knowingly support murderers" as if we all believe RS and AK are killers but we support them anyway. What?! Only someone truly unhinged would think that. But I've seen that accusation far more than once.

Me too. But I wouldn't support Amanda or Raffaele for a second if I thought they had anything to do with killing Meredith. In fact, at one time I believed that they were probably involved as I gave the benefit of the doubt to the authorities and could have cared less about this case.

But a work associate, our CFO was friends with Curt Knox and he was supporting the family. So then I started to read about it. But at that time, finding out the truth was very hard. It was only after the Massei trial where enough facts became available that made me go 'what?' The inconsistencies were just too many and too bizarre. It dawned on me that no God damn way were they involved and this was nuts. And that's when it really hits you. If this could happen to a middle class girl from West Seattle, it could happen to my little sister. That's when I got angry.

I wonder if any of these hard core guilters will ever have an epiphany? I mean Amanda and Raffaele are in there 30s and neither of them has EVER been arrested or convicted of a crime outside their false arrests in Italy. Vixen said that criminality was a diagnostic for psychopathy so clearly they aren't psychopaths.

Do they ever go 'I was wrong'?
 
A friend who peruses PMF dotnut told me that "Jackie" appears to have taken an interest in me. I don't usually waste my time with PMF but, apparently, I've been "flirting" with Bill Williams and expressing my fondness for drinking wine while posting according to this "Jackie". As far as I am aware, I've never had any interaction with "Jackie" so her interest in "saving" me from the dangerous Bill is just so sweet. As is her concern for my 35 year marriage:

Granted, I have a personal safety issue here: "Bill" once published his express desire to see me beaten to a pulp in a parking lot brawl so, naturally, I need to know what I'm dealing with: if he's something like the 37 year old hockey fighter (above), I need to start getting to the gym more often, or maybe sign up for one of those Krav Maga classes the "non-violent" Knox favors...

But I'm not alone: StacyHS on ISF needs to know, too, because she's been spending a LOT of time online, at ISF, flirting with "Bill" and talking about her fondness for drinking wine while posting. Perhaps she, more than the rest of us, needs to consider whether she's been ignoring her husband for someone like the young dude in skates, or someone like that older dude in Crocs (in the Anti-China article above).

If I've ever flirted with Bill, it's surely news to me! Now, I have said, after a particularly funny post, that it made/almost made me spit out my wine...or coffee depending on the time of day. Apparently, that bit of humor is somehow worthy of "Jackie's" interest. Ah, well, if it floats her boat, I'm happy for her.

I'll just take this opportunity to express my thanks to Jackie for her concern. It's not often that someone shows such thoughtfulness for a complete stranger. Oh, and it's "Stacyhs" not "StacyHS".
 
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A friend who peruses PMF dotnut told me that "Jackie" appears to have taken an interest in me. I don't usually waste my time with PMF but, apparently, I've been "flirting" with Bill Williams and expressing my fondness for drinking wine while posting according to this "Jackie". As far as I am aware, I've never had any interaction with "Jackie" so her interest in "saving" me from the dangerous Bill is just so sweet. As is her concern for my 35 year marriage:



If I've ever flirted with Bill, it's surely news to me! Now, I have said, after a particularly funny post, that it made/almost made me spit out my wine...or coffee depending on the time of day. Apparently, that bit of humor is somehow worthy of "Jackie's" interest. Ah, well, if it floats her boat, I'm happy for her.

I'll just take this opportunity to express my thanks to Jackie for her concern. It's not often that someone shows such thoughtfulness for a complete stranger. Oh, and it's "Stacyhs" not "StacyHS".

I seriously doubt that Bill said anything like what Jackie has accused him of. But it also
wouldnt surprise me that one of the PGP would embellish his remarks or yours.
 
Me too. But I wouldn't support Amanda or Raffaele for a second if I thought they had anything to do with killing Meredith. In fact, at one time I believed that they were probably involved as I gave the benefit of the doubt to the authorities and could have cared less about this case.

But a work associate, our CFO was friends with Curt Knox and he was supporting the family. So then I started to read about it. But at that time, finding out the truth was very hard. It was only after the Massei trial where enough facts became available that made me go 'what?' The inconsistencies were just too many and too bizarre. It dawned on me that no God damn way were they involved and this was nuts. And that's when it really hits you. If this could happen to a middle class girl from West Seattle, it could happen to my little sister. That's when I got angry.

I wonder if any of these hard core guilters will ever have an epiphany? I mean Amanda and Raffaele are in there 30s and neither of them has EVER been arrested or convicted of a crime outside their false arrests in Italy. Vixen said that criminality was a diagnostic for psychopathy so clearly they aren't psychopaths.

Do they ever go 'I was wrong'?

There are, probably, different kinds of people with different goals and personalities making up the PGP. Some may simply be hoaxers looking for a laugh or intending to upset people by posting false and inflamatory statements.

But some of the PGP may be conspiracy theorists. And and as such, this group of PGP will certainly not be convinced by facts or logic. For conspiracy theorists, especially where the conspiracy theory claims to have identified a vicious murderer, those that oppose the theory using facts or logic are in league with that murderer. That way of thinking is an explanation for the malicious personal attacks directed at Knox, the PGP's arch-villain, and at their lesser arch-villan, Sollecito, and of course, all their minor villains arguing the facts and logic of innocence.

Here's an excerpt from an article that discusses the psychology of conspiracy theorists:

Conspiracy Theories Are Driven by People, Not Facts

You can’t really argue with people who believe in conspiracy theories, because their beliefs aren’t rational. Instead, they are often fear- or paranoia-based beliefs that, when confronted with contrarian factual evidence, will dismiss both the evidence and the messenger who brings it. That’s because conspiracy theories are driven by the people who believe and spread them and their own psychological makeup — not on the factual support or logical reasoning of the theory itself.

Conspiracy theories aren’t going away, for as long as there are people who have a need to believe in them, they will continue to expand and thrive. The Internet and social media sites such as Facebook have only made such theories even easier to spread. Save your breath arguing with people who believe in them, as no amount of facts will dissuade them from their false belief.

Source: https://psychcentral.com/blog/archi...nspiracy-theories-why-do-people-believe-them/
 
There are, probably, different kinds of people with different goals and personalities making up the PGP. Some may simply be hoaxers looking for a laugh or intending to upset people by posting false and inflamatory statements.

But some of the PGP may be conspiracy theorists. And and as such, this group of PGP will certainly not be convinced by facts or logic. For conspiracy theorists, especially where the conspiracy theory claims to have identified a vicious murderer, those that oppose the theory using facts or logic are in league with that murderer. That way of thinking is an explanation for the malicious personal attacks directed at Knox, the PGP's arch-villain, and at their lesser arch-villan, Sollecito, and of course, all their minor villains arguing the facts and logic of innocence.

Here's an excerpt from an article that discusses the psychology of conspiracy theorists:

Conspiracy Theories Are Driven by People, Not Facts

You can’t really argue with people who believe in conspiracy theories, because their beliefs aren’t rational. Instead, they are often fear- or paranoia-based beliefs that, when confronted with contrarian factual evidence, will dismiss both the evidence and the messenger who brings it. That’s because conspiracy theories are driven by the people who believe and spread them and their own psychological makeup — not on the factual support or logical reasoning of the theory itself.

Conspiracy theories aren’t going away, for as long as there are people who have a need to believe in them, they will continue to expand and thrive. The Internet and social media sites such as Facebook have only made such theories even easier to spread. Save your breath arguing with people who believe in them, as no amount of facts will dissuade them from their false belief.

Source: https://psychcentral.com/blog/archi...nspiracy-theories-why-do-people-believe-them/

Conspiracy theories such as the Masons, Mafia, US State Dept. and judges being bought off being behind the acquittals?
 
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