Senator Al Franken Kissed and Groped Me Without My Consent, And There’s Nothing Funny

Argumemnon said:
Considering that you just ignored the entire text of the post that follows what you quoted, I think the problem is not only on your end, but deliberate.
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No, you finally explained yourself clearly in the last part.
" I don't understand the appeal of taking a picture of a sleeping woman and (at the very least) pretending to grope her. I don't find it funny or amusing or clever, but I do find it stupid."

Maybe you should listen when people tell you your posting isn't clear, instead of arguing and saying of course it is ?

Argumemnon said:
It's really mind-boggling to me how many posters here are looking for disagreement rather than discussion and understanding, but there you have it.
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:i:
 
TheL8Elvis said:
Al Franken, steps down.

Roy Moore, Senator for life.

Totally worth it :boggled:
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That's the kind of thinking that enables and protects these people. I don't care if its a pivotal senate seat. In fact, because the seat is so valuable, it would send a message from the Left that we're done tolerating this crap.

Realistically, if this is the only skeleton in his closet, Franken will probably survive with a censure or something, but if more women come out, he's toast.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Then we should kick out everyone who had one of those payments made to keep sexual assault in the house quiet. If we did it might well do interesting things to the political landscape.
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Personally, I think we should just let women run the show. We men have messed things up royally, and apparently in positions of power, many of us turn into disgusting horndogs.
 
Fudbucker said:
That's the kind of thinking that enables and protects these people. I don't care if its a pivotal senate seat. In fact, because the seat is so valuable, it would send a message from the Left that we're done tolerating this crap.
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Actually, I mostly agree with you. I just hate that it won't matter to a basket of deplorables.

Fudbucker said:
Realistically, if this is the only skeleton in his closet, Franken will probably survive with a censure or something, but if more women come out, he's toast.
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If this happened the way tweeden described, there are plenty more women.
And yeah, if they come out, bye bye franken.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
No, you finally explained yourself clearly in the last part.
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If neither you nor Yuppy found it clever to add content to my post, it would've been clear to you right off the bat.

Maybe you should listen when people tell you your posting isn't clear, instead of arguing and saying of course it is ?
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I'd be much more open to adding clarifications if people didn't make depicable accusations with their requests for same.

:i:
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Point to a post where I'm disagreeing with anyone on purpose.

Good luck.

Or did you just post the irony meter because you were wounded and couldn't think of a good response?
 
Fudbucker said:
Personally, I think we should just let women run the show. We men have messed things up royally, and apparently in positions of power, many of us turn into disgusting horndogs.
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Too many misogynists, men and women, for that, but it would be interesting.
 
You know, Mike Pence is probably feeling pretty smug right about now.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ent-calls-for-ethics-investigation-of-himself

en. Al Franken (D-Minn.) is calling for an ethics investigation into his own behavior after a woman accused him of kissing and groping her without consent.

Franken in an expanded statement on Thursday apologized for the incident, in which he groped television host and sports broadcaster Leeann Tweeden while she was asleep on a military plane during a 2006 USO tour.

“I understand why we need to listen to and believe women’s experiences,” he said. “I am asking that an ethics investigation be undertaken, and I will gladly cooperate.”

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Franken doubled down on his claim that he does not remember the rehearsal for the skit “in the same way” as Tweeden.

But he said Tweeden "deserved to be heard."

“The truth is, what people think of me in light of this is far less important than what people think of women who continue to come forward to tell their stories,” Franken said. “They deserve to be heard, and believed. And they deserve to know that I am their ally and supporter. I have let them down and am committed to making it up to them.”
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That's me - Al Franken.

As much as I don't like him - the picture is not cool. The kiss though, if it happened once, big deal.

"Let's practice a kiss".
"Okay"
Kiss happens
"Yuck"
The end. Shut up.

If he behaved badly after then that's different, maybe...photo included. Far as I know she wasn't his employee at least.

I am seriously getting sick of these accusations every day in the news, especially ones like these. I'm actually defending Al Franken! What the hell has our news become? Out with Nazis and Antifa and in with sex accusations. Nothing really matters, it's just a show. Any actual news happening?

This stuff is surreal. North Korea and nuclear war, Nazis, celebrity sex problems - the news is strong for a few weeks then it fades away into to the nothingness where it belongs. I really do not care what celebrities do.
 
Argumemnon said:
Then please have the courtesy of having one with me, rather than posting nonsense and ignoring my points.

Do you agree with Yuppy's ridiculous interpretation of my post or not?
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Not after your clarification.

Prior to your clarification, the part of what you found unappealing was unclear. And yes, could have been interpreted uncharitably.

I don't understand why you didn't just try to be more clear. That's what someone interested in a discussion would do. Someone who wanted to argue might just double down and say how dare you misunderstand me.

See my point ?
 
TheL8Elvis said:
Prior to your clarification, the part of what you found unappealing was unclear.
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Even though the post I was responding to described what Franken apparently did with the picture? :confused:

I don't understand why you didn't just try to be more clear.
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Well I thought I was. But "I'm not sure what you mean" is one thing. "Well, you're either saying she's not hot enough to be raped or it's ok for her to be raped" is beyond the pale.
 
bluesjnr said:
I wondered how long it would be before we merry band of sceptics considered this.
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IMO Franken has confirmed enough of her story for me to consider this episode to still be a major problem. Even if I ignore the parts that can't be corroborated and/or that he disputes there is still a major problem.
 
mgidm86 said:
That's me - Al Franken.

As much as I don't like him - the picture is not cool. The kiss though, if it happened once, big deal.

"Let's practice a kiss".
"Okay"
Kiss happens
"Yuck"
The end. Shut up.
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Consent to a stage kiss is not permission for the person to stick their tongue in the other party's mouth.
 
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