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Michael Shermer vs. "alternative history" Hancock and Crandall

King of the Americas said:
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I FOUND the orchard by following an ocean bottom line from EI to the coast...

I am saying a private guilt-ridden company did NOT out of the goodness of their heart re-plant a forest that they destroyed.

It's a desert, there were no trees to deforest.

This find was an effort to connect EI to other locations. I JUST located it this morning. I have no idea what it really is, or how old it is. By any estimation it is THE LARGEST orchard or tree grove in the world by ten fold.

Imagine the early requirements to get those established??

The biggest deepest green ones are about +40 feet wide...scratch that 98 feet wide atop the canopy!!! That is a massive tree...
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This is among the most foolish claims I have ever seen on a skeptic web site.

I ask myself why I even entertain your nonsense.

You cite von Daniken and Sitchen, ffs

*facepalm*
 
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John Jones said:
I ask myself why I even entertain your nonsense.
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Comedy value. I have been sharing his sillier posts with a number of people.

The highest rating for laughs was his 'they have to have writing to carve stone', that had a bunch of archaeologists rolling in the aisle - as it were.
 
Reality Check said:
More fantasies?
  1. With your numbers there are less than 50 million trees in the 2 areas.
  2. The trees are used to feed sheep and goats.
  3. Prosopis tamarugo is a bushy tree (can be foraged by sheep and goats!), has been used for firewood but no evidence of construction.
  4. How do you Know "some of them are absolutely massive"
16 November 2017: What does the Chilean government or scientific literature report for the number of trees in the forestation project?
16 November 2017: List some buildings constructed of Prosopis tamarugo.
16 November 2017: Give your sources for "some of them are absolutely massive" (Prosopis tamarugo)
Or maybe you mean ants or sheep think some of them are absolutely massive :p!
Maybe the idiocy of looking at Google Earth? There are trees of various diameters but you have no idea of how high they are. An "absolutely massive" tree would be a tree say 50 feet tall and 20 feet wide.
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List my source?

I used Google Earth's ruler and measured.

The trees are 45 feet apart, and planted for 12 miles 2-4 miles wide. The structure further south is WAY WAY bigger...
 
King of the Americas said:
HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of trees/plants that live hundreds of years old...!?
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CHAPTER 2 - The Tamarugal Pampa of Chile: Launching of a Combined Forestry and Grazing Project
In local dialect, the Tamarugal Pampa is known as the “Tangled Forest” (Tarapacá), though today this somewhat poetic designation has ironic overtones. The characteristic face of this land is desert and salt. The old chronicles describe the area as densely covered with tamarugo trees, but most of these were felled at the turn of the last century to supply fuel for local mining operations.
http://www.fao.org/docrep/006/AD320E/AD320E02.htm
 
Trees? Really boring plodding trees?

I dismiss your trees and substitute holes - which are far more interesting

Know as the holes of Lima or the band of holes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_of_Holes

http://www.viewzone.com/lima.html

OnZURkf.jpg


mysterious-holes-of-Pisco-Valley-peru.jpg
 
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Reality Check said:
Deforestation is your idea. No one said that there was deforestation. The project begun in the 1960's is a forestation project to turn the desert into forest using the same species of trees that are already growing there.
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It was from the links I gave.
The original coordinates KotA gave were pretty much smack bang in the old nitrates extraction area. During the 19th century it was something of a boom town area, and the original trees were stripped away almost entirely for fuel.

ETA: Amusingly enough, if you go a 50 odd miles south of those coordinates, in the southern part of the national reserve, you hit an area with ancient geoglyphs. Something that is actually old.
 
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Hans said:
Comedy value. I have been sharing his sillier posts with a number of people.

The highest rating for laughs was his 'they have to have writing to carve stone', that had a bunch of archaeologists rolling in the aisle - as it were.
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Intellectual dishonesty is the worst kind.

I SAID you'd need a written language to carve the interlocking Puma Punku H-stones.
 
Hans said:
Trees? Really boring plodding trees?

I dismiss your trees and substitute holes - which are far more interesting

Know as the holes of Lima or the band of holes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_of_Holes

http://www.viewzone.com/lima.html

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/OnZURkf.jpg[/qimg]

[qimg]http://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/mysterious-holes-of-Pisco-Valley-peru.jpg[/qimg]
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Are you arguing an EI or global community connection? If not this is a derail.
 
King of the Americas said:
Are you arguing an EI or global community connection? If not this is a derail.
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Says the derailer

LOL

Can you prove those interesting holes, versus your boring trees are not proof of a pre-ancient civilization? One that existed before Atlantis and came into existence 130,000-80,000 years ago before the earlier (not the last) ice age ended?
 
King of the Americas said:
Intellectual dishonesty is the worst kind.
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Yes I would say that is an accurate description of yourself - is this some sort of self criticism effort by yourself?

Chuckle

Now lets see what the liar actually said:

KOTA says:

I repeat Puma Punku was not formed using bronze, copper, or stone chisels and knotted string by a people with no written language.

Puma Punku was NOT created using chisels...by a people with no written language, period.

For the love of bacon, I said the images I posted for Puma Punku were not carved with bronze, coper, or stone hammers without a written language.

These cuts were NOT carved with chisels...

Not Puma Punku...but also NOT carved with stone chisels...

I can state with absolute certainty, that the cuts I posted were not carved with bronze and copper, or stone chisels.

Whatever process or tools that shaped the stones at Puma Punku, are gone, lost to time.

The stones were NOT carved or fashioned by people without a written language.

LOL
 
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Craig B said:
Do you mean they would need to be able to write the letter H to carve "H stones"?
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I believe so how else would the order for the stones be transmitted? That great global civilization was just awash in bureaucracy.
 
Hans said:
Says the derailer

LOL

Can you prove those interesting holes, versus your boring trees are not proof of a pre-ancient civilization? One that existed before Atlantis and came into existence 130,000-80,000 years ago before the earlier (not the last) ice age ended?
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Please,...do, tell us more about your holes and their date of origin...
 
Hans said:
Yes I would say that is an accurate description of yourself - is this some sort of self criticism effort by yourself?

Chuckle

Now lets see what the liar actually said:

KOTA says:

I repeat Puma Punku was not formed using bronze, copper, or stone chisels and knotted string by a people with no written language.

Puma Punku was NOT created using chisels...by a people with no written language, period.

For the love of bacon, I said the images I posted for Puma Punku were not carved with bronze, coper, or stone hammers without a written language.

These cuts were NOT carved with chisels...

Not Puma Punku...but also NOT carved with stone chisels...

I can state with absolute certainty, that the cuts I posted were not carved with bronze and copper, or stone chisels.

Whatever process or tools that shaped the stones at Puma Punku, are gone, lost to time.

The stones were NOT carved or fashioned by people without a written language.

LOL
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Agreed...in reference to "H" stones and the square line cut...
 
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