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Cont: JFK Conspiracy Theories V: Five for Fighting

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Cosmic Yak said:
This should have been done a long, long time ago, MicahJava.
You say you have all the evidence you need to prove a conspiracy. You are also claiming the expertise necessary to question the accepted historical narrative. Fine, Then do it. Answer these questions, lay out your case: establish where you think the second shooter was, and provide the evidence and calculations to back it up.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I am certainly open-minded enough to examine this with interest. I am ready to be convinced. Go for it.
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I don't think you understand. I am saying that regardless of whether it is compatible with the official evidence like the X-rays, I believe in the EOP wound. Unless you can figure out a way for a bullet to enter near the EOP and exit the right side of the head and still be consistent with the official evidence, nobody can state that they know ho the shooting happened. Did you just miss all of the times I posted evidence for the EOP wound? It's surprising that people even try denying it since it's in the autopsy report.
 
So, again, are you guys saying that "1 inch to the right center of the back of the head" in the Ward Death Certificate is referring to the large head wound? Or is that Death Certificate referring to the autopsy report's passage "...posterior scalp approximately 2.5 cm. laterally to the right and slightly above the external occipital protuberance"?
 
MicahJava said:
So, again, are you guys saying that "1 inch to the right center of the back of the head" in the Ward Death Certificate is referring to the large head wound? Or is that Death Certificate referring to the autopsy report's passage "...posterior scalp approximately 2.5 cm. laterally to the right and slightly above the external occipital protuberance"?
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Well, those estimates seem a millimetre out to me.
If you allow a little more leeway for "slightly" than your preferred interpretation, you have two reasonably good descriptions of what you call the "cowlick wound", but what everybody else calls the "entry point" for the single wound in the head, that travels from there to the massive exit.
 
I am an RN and I can definitively say that wounds are labeled sloppily even now in 2017. Everybody uses different nomenclature and landmarks.
 
MicahJava said:
I don't think you understand. I am saying that regardless of whether it is compatible with the official evidence like the X-rays, I believe in the EOP wound.
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Well, good for you. Your faith in things unseen must be comforting to you.


MicahJava said:
Unless you can figure out a way for a bullet to enter near the EOP and exit the right side of the head and still be consistent with the official evidence, nobody can state that they know ho the shooting happened.
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You already told us how it could happen. Don't you remember what you posted on the prior pages?

You wrote:
MicahJava said:
"When a bullet encounters a curved portion of the skull, it is likely to deflect. A bullet could have entered near the EOP ... while deflecting downward upward and smashing the base top of the skull."
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I am pointing out you've provided no reason to assume any deflection, let alone solely a downward one. But if you want to suggest a downward deflection is possible, then surely an upward one is at least equally possible. Especially since you also assured us that the deflection
MicahJava said:
"... not only depends on the angle of the shot, but how Kennedy's head was tilted."
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So, treat us to your expertise and tell us why that upward deflection could not have happened. Better yet, share the results of those experiments you conducted that rule out an upward deflection. You wouldn't be just making stuff up as the need requires, would you? It sure reads that way.


MicahJava said:
Did you just miss all of the times I posted evidence for the EOP wound?
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Yes. It may come as a surprise to you, but your opinion of what a doctor meant in his testimony or in the autopsy report is NOT evidence.


MicahJava said:
It's surprising that people even try denying it since it's in the autopsy report.
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Your opinions are not therein. Your opinions are what you're trying to foist on us here.

Hank
 
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MicahJava said:
I don't think you understand. I am saying that regardless of whether it is compatible with the official evidence like the X-rays, I believe in the EOP wound. Unless you can figure out a way for a bullet to enter near the EOP and exit the right side of the head and still be consistent with the official evidence, nobody can state that they know ho the shooting happened. Did you just miss all of the times I posted evidence for the EOP wound? It's surprising that people even try denying it since it's in the autopsy report.
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Once you factor in the 6.5x52mm 160-grain Carcano round all the wounds make sense.
 
MicahJava said:
So, again, are you guys saying that "1 inch to the right center of the back of the head" in the Ward Death Certificate is referring to the large head wound? Or is that Death Certificate referring to the autopsy report's passage "...posterior scalp approximately 2.5 cm. laterally to the right and slightly above the external occipital protuberance"?
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Pretty clear they're the same thing.
 
Axxman300 said:
Pretty clear they're the same thing.
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Good. Then the December 1963 Ward Death Certificate is most likely describing the entry wounds in the back and head, not any posited exits.

That is just a small insignificant debate in the face of all of the evidence that the doctors knew about the throat wound.
 
These new documents are Oswald heavy.

Here's one detailing Oswald's Mexico City trip:

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10015-10359.pdf

This is the first cable about Oswald's visit to Soviet Embassy. Note they describe the wrong guy when discussing the photograph (there are two cables where the Mexico City station says they just didn't photograph everyone who went inside) :

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10054-10293.pdf

Here the October 11, 1963 CIA cable discussing a phone call from a Lee Oswald to the Soviet Embassy where the agency puts 2 + 2 together as far as Oswald's past, and suggest he should be watched closer should he show up:

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10054-10065.pdf

This is 1 of 3 documents generated by the CIA listing reasons they suspect Castro knew the assassination was coming. This plays into the "Oswald was Working with Compromised Anti-Castro Cubans" narrative:

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10062-10121.pdf

Loads of JMWAVE files too.
 
MicahJava said:
Good. Then the December 1963 Ward Death Certificate is most likely describing the entry wounds in the back and head, not any posited exits.

That is just a small insignificant debate in the face of all of the evidence that the doctors knew about the throat wound.
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Death Certificate is just a legal document stating someone is dead, and probably cause of death, and time of death (APRX).

It is not an autopsy report, nor would it hold any medical weight as evidence as anything other than JFK is dead.
 
I must say this again:

Based on the recent document release the evidence shows that not only did the FBI and CIA investigate the hell out of the assassination, but it is clear that both were looking for evidence of a conspiracy. The CIA clearly wanted to link Oswald to Castro.

This begs the question, why cover up evidence if the goal was to prove conspiracy? If it was a CIA-Mafia job, why not better implicate actual Cuban spies?

The idea of a conspiracy boggles the mind once you look at the evidence, and the history of that evidence, and look at the rifle realistically.
 
MicahJava said:
Good. Then the December 1963 Ward Death Certificate is most likely describing the entry wounds in the back and head, not any posited exits.

That is just a small insignificant debate in the face of all of the evidence that the doctors knew about the throat wound.
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I’m pretty sure this is insignificant to any point you have tried to make. Death certificates are not expected to list every wound in absolute detail. One doctor might list multiple gunshots to cover their bases, while another decided the big obvious gunshot was a cause of death.
At best you can suggest it shows what we already know: a tracheostomy was obscuring an exit wound, and the autopsy scrapped notes and went back to investigate new information.
 
MicahJava said:
I don't think you understand. I am saying that regardless of whether it is compatible with the official evidence like the X-rays, I believe in the EOP wound. Unless you can figure out a way for a bullet to enter near the EOP and exit the right side of the head and still be consistent with the official evidence, nobody can state that they know ho the shooting happened. Did you just miss all of the times I posted evidence for the EOP wound? It's surprising that people even try denying it since it's in the autopsy report.
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Oh, I understand just fine. You have been saying, for what seems like an eternity, that you believe in the existence of another wound in JFK's skull.
I get that.
Now all you have to do is do the maths. Show what kind of gun fired the bullet, show where you think it was fired from, then show the evidence for the existence of bullet, gun and shooter.
Now, an unkind person might comment that you won't do this becuase you can't. You have no additional bullet, no witnesses for a shooter, no plausible location for said gunman, not even an attempt at the identity, motives or fate of said gunman, nothing.
I am not that unkind person. I will assume you have this evidence, and just haven't got round to presenting it yet.
I think now would be a good time. I cannot recall anyone losing a debate as badly as you are. You have literally been wrong about everything, and shown to be so over and over again. You need to remedy this.
The unkind would again predict that you will dodge, deflect and distract, but I have faith. I believe you will rise to this challenge.
Don't make me a disappointed Yak. That would be cruel.
 
MicahJava said:
RN?
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Registered Nurse. It looks like doctors way back when I was less than a month old, I turned 54 on Nov. 2, used both inches and centimeters. I would not be in the least bit surprised if any of them wrote down the wrong units and or the wound location and stuck by whatever they wrote years before either for ego, or faulty memory.
 
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