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The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 26

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Mignini never said it was a 'ritualistic' murder. You are confabulating the Monster of Florence - a murder carried out by someone with surgical instruments and skill. It was someone who preyed on courting couples and each murder bore the same hallmarks. If you know anything about Italy, the place is full of masonic lodges, which clash with Italian Roman Catholic culture. The masonic symbology is pretty similar to the 'ceremonial magicians', like Aleister Crowley, symbols depicting 'Baphomet' and a fixation on Ancient Egyptian symbolism (cg Eyes Wide Shut).

So, you can see why the detective profilers drew up a profile of Anti-Catholics (=read freemasons/satanists) (perhaps an ex-repressed Catholic feeling guilty about being a Peeping Tom), as each murder was similar to the others, hence the ritualistic element. The murders were designed to be an abomination to decent people, another indication.

I don't see anything controversial in the detectives positing a theory it was a ring of people behind the murders.

Amanda had a miserable evening. She was a hanger-on with Juve and his friends, who soon moved on.

Please stop with the MoF distraction. Mignini claimed the KERCHER murder was ritualistic and specifically stated it was supposed to occur on Halloween, but was delayed 24 hours due to a dinner party.

How her evening went has no relevance so I'm not sure why you feel compelled to make things up about it.
 
And what "good reason" was that except for the fact the murder happened the day after Halloween? Was there a pentagram found in the room? How about black candles? An alter to Satan? Nope. Just a girl found stabbed to death and raped. Oh, wait...of course there had to be a connection because girls are never murdered and raped otherwise, right?

Mignini is convinced that satanic cults permeate Italy. Witness his Narducci theory without any evidence a satanic cult was involved. How about his attendance at the conference pictured above? Face it, Vixen; he believed this was cult related and he said so himself in his own statements. Stop pretending otherwise.

Seriously? You are claiming the Monster of Florence murders didn't happen? Or that they were not really abominable?

Seriously? What part of the highlighted sections above lead you to think I was referring to the M of F case?
 
Mignini never said the Kercher murder was a satanic ritual. At the preliminary remand trial, he did make a submission of his findings, which was Raff's strange behaviour, his knife fetish, his weird FB page, his idolisation of self-professed satanist, Marilyn Manson (and there are gullible young people who lap up this 'dark' stuff), etc.

Bear in mind the weird nature of the two knife stabbings in the neck, one from the right and one from the left, the numerous knife flick marks, indicating a period of taunting and torture,the obscene undressing and posing of the body, Raff's DNA on Mez' underwear, I don't think Mignini erred in noting the circumstances around this.Fact is, there was a bizarre and unusually cruel murder. Thus the motive will have been a sadistic one.

1. He said they were a "rite" that was supposed to happen on Halloween. What kind of a rite do you think he was talking about? A Catholic rite? You cannot admit that Mignini thought this because it makes him look like a fool and you can't have that. Even Comodi knew better than to continue down that path.

2. Citation that one knife wound was from the left and another from the right? There were wounds on the left and on the right, but I've seen nothing that indicates they came from different directions or that they required more than one person to make them.

3. There was no evidence the body was posed, just the prosecution's allegations. Rapes commonly include exposing the breasts as they have sexual connotations. Do you think a rape usually occurs while the pants are on the victim?

4. Those circumstances you just listed did not indicate any connection to a Halloween rite then or now.
 
Isn't it interesting that the Fail & Co. are getting all riled up about a tribute to Meredith Kercher written by Amanda Knox, while ignoring the following?
Nov. 4th, 2017 Tusciaweb: Lavoro esterno al carcere per Rudy Guede
Nov. 8th, 2017 Tusciaweb: Primo giorno di lavoro fuori dal carcere, Rudy Guede arriva in bicicletta
Looks like Guede is out with a fanfare:

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That's because the PGP's venom and intense hatred has always been aimed squarely at Knox. Sollecito and, especially, Guede, are nothing more than unimportant side stories forgotten unless they can be used to attack Knox. I've said it before and I'll say it again: there is a fascinating psychology study in this.
 
1. He said they were a "rite" that was supposed to happen on Halloween. What kind of a rite do you think he was talking about? A Catholic rite? You cannot admit that Mignini thought this because it makes him look like a fool and you can't have that. Even Comodi knew better than to continue down that path.

2. Citation that one knife wound was from the left and another from the right? There were wounds on the left and on the right, but I've seen nothing that indicates they came from different directions or that they required more than one person to make them. 3. There was no evidence the body was posed, just the prosecution's allegations. Rapes commonly include exposing the breasts as they have sexual connotations. Do you think a rape usually occurs while the pants are on the victim?

4. Those circumstances you just listed did not indicate any connection to a Halloween rite then or now.

Hence, six of seven pathology expert witnesses concluded the wounds were compatible or consistent with a lone attacker. Further, the bruising around the wound, consistent with the hilt of a knife striking the flesh, also indicates the knife was plunged into the soft tissue of Meredith's neck with force as far as it would go. Unfortunately for the 'two knife/kitchen knife' theorists, this inconvenient fact proved that the kitchen knife, the blade of which is over twice as long as the wound is deep, could not have made the wound.
 
Why do the PGP on TJMK have to twist everything Amanda says to fit their own views? Why are they so intellectually dishonest? Regarding Amanda's blog regarding the 10th anniversary of Meredith's death, one prolific TJMK commenter wrote:

Thanks hugo, nice to know that there are journalists who dare to contradict Knox and expose her story about having been Meredith's best friend as a total myth.

Amanda didn't say Meredith was her best friend. This is what she wrote:

...because Meredith was my closest friend in a new and exciting time in our lives.

Why the need to twist things? Because they need to denigrate Amanda and reduce her to the awful creature they need her to be in their hateful and ugly little minds.
 
Why do the PGP on TJMK have to twist everything Amanda says to fit their own views? Why are they so intellectually dishonest? Regarding Amanda's blog regarding the 10th anniversary of Meredith's death, one prolific TJMK commenter wrote:



Amanda didn't say Meredith was her best friend. This is what she wrote:



Why the need to twist things? Because they need to denigrate Amanda and reduce her to the awful creature they need her to be in their hateful and ugly little minds.
The twist to this story is yes she was her closest friend when they first started living together. The relationship changed enough that others noted some irritation on Meredith's side towards her including her boyfriend Giacomo. Amanda was not too grief stricken to think about shopping with her mom, losing a month's rent and skipping the memorial. There is no law you have to care about your flatemate of one month but using a 10 year anniversary to talk about yourself with a few tidbits about the victim was insensitive. She wanted to express how she couldn't win either way making it about her again. No one would have had a problem with her saying nothing.
 
The twist to this story is yes she was her closest friend when they first started living together. The relationship changed enough that others noted some irritation on Meredith's side towards her including her boyfriend Giacomo. Amanda was not too grief stricken to think about shopping with her mom, losing a month's rent and skipping the memorial. There is no law you have to care about your flatemate of one month but using a 10 year anniversary to talk about yourself with a few tidbits about the victim was insensitive. She wanted to express how she couldn't win either way making it about her again. No one would have had a problem with her saying nothing.

I swear there are many who simply don't care that this was a murder. Their sole purpose is to be a Knox-detractor.

Absent the murder, who cares about Amanda Knox? Absent the murder, who cares whether or not some random Seattle-milennial makes this about herself - or not?

Absent the murder who cares if there were irritations - normal housemate **irritations** - between foreign students in an upcountry Italian school?

A decade previous, among people you don't know?

In some ways I "get" the guilters. I don't "get" posts like this.

Who cares if some random Seattleite was irritating ten years ago? My view is that she hadn't, but who fundamentally cares if she had made it "all about her"?
 
The twist to this story is yes she was her closest friend when they first started living together. The relationship changed enough that others noted some irritation on Meredith's side towards her including her boyfriend Giacomo. Amanda was not too grief stricken to think about shopping with her mom, losing a month's rent and skipping the memorial. There is no law you have to care about your flatemate of one month but using a 10 year anniversary to talk about yourself with a few tidbits about the victim was insensitive. She wanted to express how she couldn't win either way making it about her again. No one would have had a problem with her saying nothing.

I'm at something of a loss to understand how this response has anything to do with the point Stacy was making.

PGP claim Amanda had said she was Meredith's best friend, and think it's good someone exposed this "total myth". The truth is Amanda never said such a thing. So Stacy was questioning why the PGP feel the need to twist Amanda's words just so they can then invent a non-issue on which they can base yet another attack on Amanda. Your comment had zippo to do with this.

But specific to your point;

Meredith was her closest (not best) friend when they first started living together because she was also the only English speaking person she knew. Apparently Meredith had an issue with a few of Amanda's habits. There is nothing unusual about this. Giacomo testified they had a good, normal relationship. Activities they did together, such as going to the chocolate festival - on two separate days - and attending the classical music concert where Amanda met Raffaele prove Amanda and Meredith were friends.

How do you know how grief stricken Amanda was? She didn't shop with her mother.. she was in prison by the time her mother arrived in Italy. She skipped the VIGIL (not a memorial) because she was advised to do so and because she didn't want to be alone with a potential murderer still on the loose. Losing a month's rent? What on Earth are you talking about? Amanda clearly did care about her "flatmate of one month" but she was hardly ever given an opportunity to grieve properly, and when she did she was placed under a microscope so people could decide if it was 'appropriate grieving'.

So she reminiscences about her short time with Meredith; she talks about never having had an opportunity to mourn Meredith; she expresses sadness about how Meredith's death affected so many lives, including her own, but mostly that Meredith's was cut so short; and she expresses frustration at being criticized, no matter what she does. It is her blog... why do you have such a problem that she talks about how Meredith's death has affected her?

"No one would have had a problem with her saying nothing" ?? I've got six years experience with the thinking of PGP. I'm willing to bet that if Amanda allowed the ten year anniversary to pass without saying anything there would have been plenty of hateful PGP using that to prove Amanda didn't care about Meredith, and that is precisely her point (and Stacy's) - PGP will twist ANYTHING Amanda says or does and turn it into a negative. PGP live for that sort of thing. I honestly believe it's what makes people like Quennell roll out of bed in the morning.
 
The twist to this story is yes she was her closest friend when they first started living together. The relationship changed enough that others noted some irritation on Meredith's side towards her including her boyfriend Giacomo. Amanda was not too grief stricken to think about shopping with her mom, losing a month's rent and skipping the memorial. There is no law you have to care about your flatemate of one month but using a 10 year anniversary to talk about yourself with a few tidbits about the victim was insensitive. She wanted to express how she couldn't win either way making it about her again. No one would have had a problem with her saying nothing.

Well said, TruthCalls.

No, Giacomo never said Meredith had expressed any irritation toward Amanda to him. Read his testimony. He said their relationship was "normal and friendly" and that there were no particular problems between the girls except some normal housekeeping stuff. That is totally normal for people who are getting used to living together as anyone who's ever had a new roommate knows.

As for the vigil, that was explained already but I'd like to add the fact that neither Filomena nor Laura attended the vigil either. Where is the harsh criticism of them?

Once again, what Amanda said about going shopping with her mother is taken out of context in order to malign her. This is the school assignment letter in which she mentioned shopping:

Dear Mom, I am so upset. I cannot think about anything else but this. I feel on edge. What has happened is all a mystery

I definitely cannot go back to sleep at my house. But I am not finished with Perugia yet.

Mom, please come and take me shopping.

It sounds to me like she's a young girl who needs and wants her mother and to do something normal during all this horrific time. And remember that she has no clothes except what she had on her back as no one was allowed back into the cottage. But leave it to the PGP to twist it into something it clearly was not. This was my original point and which has been proved once again by Briar's post.
 
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Well said, TruthCalls.

No, Giacomo never said Meredith had expressed any irritation toward Amanda to him. Read his testimony. He said their relationship was "normal and friendly" and that there were no particular problems between the girls except some normal housekeeping stuff. That is totally normal for people who are getting used to living together as anyone who's ever had a new roommate knows.

As for the vigil, that was explained already but I'd like to add the fact that neither Filomena nor Laura attended the vigil either. Where is the harsh criticism of them?

Once again, what Amanda said about going shopping with her mother is taken out of context in order to malign her. This is the school assignment letter in which she mentioned shopping:


It sounds to me like she's a young girl who needs and wants her mother and to do something normal during all this horrific time. And remember that she has no clothes except what she had on her back as no one was allowed back into the cottage. But leave it to the PGP to twist it into something it clearly was not. This was my original point and which has been proved once again by Briar's post.

A subset of the kind of responses the haters make, is when by misinterpreting what you posted, they end up proving the point of the post.

Business as usual. From those who continually make something from nothing.
 
Filomena testified the two women bonded quickly being close in age and both speaking English. There were "normal disputes " over house cleaning. " They had no reason to not get along but as time went on they drifted apart". Giacomo's complaints were mainly about Amanda's cold behavior at the Questura.
It does seem Meredith was her closest friend in Perugia to start and things then changed. Pretty much what I said in my post. Amanda didn't say Meredith was her best friend, she called her her closest friend in Perugia. She got flack over her "memorial" even some of her supporters urged her move on and leave the family in peace. Nice to see compassion and some good advice there. Sorry to ruffle the little nest .
 
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Filomena testified the two women bonded quickly being close in age and both speaking English. There were "normal disputes " over house cleaning. " They had no reason to get along but as time went on they drifted apart". Giacomo's complaints were mainly about Amanda's cold behavior at the Questura.
It does seem Meredith was her closest friend in Perugia to start and things then changed. Pretty much what I said in my post. Amanda didn't say Meredith was her best friend, she called her her closest friend in Perugia. She got flack over her "memorial" even some of her supporters urged her move on and leave the family in peace. Nice to see compassion and some good advice there. Sorry to ruffle the little nest .

Unless you want to officially declare only mafia interference can explain the acquittal, you're PIP, and therefore one of us. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
 
It doesn't matter whether Mignini actually believes in Satan. He believed the murder was ritualistic and was supposed to happen on Halloween but was delayed 24 hours due to a dinner party. He then composed an entire theory around this. There is nothing more to discuss on this point.

There is no comparison between the MoF murders and the Kercher murder. The Kercher murder is consistent with millions of murders that occur around the world on a daily basis. It was bloody and it was violent, but there was no reason to think it was anything more than a single act performed by a single attacker. There was absolutely no basis for connecting it to some Satanic, ritualistic murder. That was all in Mignini's head.

The MOF murders weren't a satanic conspiracy either. They seem to be the work of one deranged individual if they were all committed by the same individual. Seems like the Son of Sam and Zodiac killer without the taunts to the police. Killings of lovers in parked secluded places.
 
The twist to this story is yes she was her closest friend when they first started living together. The relationship changed enough that others noted some irritation on Meredith's side towards her including her boyfriend Giacomo. Amanda was not too grief stricken to think about shopping with her mom, losing a month's rent and skipping the memorial. There is no law you have to care about your flatemate of one month but using a 10 year anniversary to talk about yourself with a few tidbits about the victim was insensitive. She wanted to express how she couldn't win either way making it about her again. No one would have had a problem with her saying nothing.

Filomena testified the two women bonded quickly being close in age and both speaking English. There were "normal disputes " over house cleaning. " They had no reason to not get along but as time went on they drifted apart". Giacomo's complaints were mainly about Amanda's cold behavior at the Questura.
It does seem Meredith was her closest friend in Perugia to start and things then changed. Pretty much what I said in my post. Amanda didn't say Meredith was her best friend, she called her her closest friend in Perugia. She got flack over her "memorial" even some of her supporters urged her move on and leave the family in peace. Nice to see compassion and some good advice there. Sorry to ruffle the little nest .

Note what the highlighted sentence in your first post said. No one noted "irritation on Meredith's side" except the British girls who only noted this months after Amanda had been arrested...when they were firmly convinced she had murdered their friend. Any criticism, however mild, made by Meredith would have interpreted in a much more negative light then.

Filomena did not note any unusual irritation between the two girls. Nor did Laura. Nor did the boys downstairs, including Silenzi. As for his complaints at the questura, these views stated were also given after Amanda's arrest when he too, assumed she was guilty of murder. This is what he said in an interview:

I had a cast-iron alibi because I had been at my parents' house since the Monday - it was a bank holiday in Italy. I was taken to a waiting room and Amanda was there.
She hugged me and said how sorry she was. Then she introduced me to her boyfriend Raffaele. I had never met him before.

I couldn't help thinking how cool and calm Amanda was. Meredith's other English friends were devastated and I was upset, but Amanda was as cool as anything and completely emotionless.

Her eyes didn't seem to show any sadness and I remember wondering if she could have been involved.
I spoke with her English friends Robyn [Butterworth] and Sophie [Purton] afterwards, and they said the same thing. None of us could quite understand how she was taking it all so calmly.

I knew that Amanda didn't get on with Meredith, but I didn't think that would lead to Amanda killing her


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ed-Foxy-Knoxy-killed-lover.html#ixzz4xz4JOoMU


This sounds like grandstanding for the press to me. And note his last sentence (highlighted). If he had really thought this, why no mention of it in his testimony? Why did he say just the opposite? He's either lying to the press or he lied in court.

I highly doubt the Kerchers read Knox's blog. If there's so much concern for leaving the Kerchers "in peace" then I suggest the British tabloids like the DM stop publishing Knox related stories and nasty articles like Jan Moir's where the PGP spew their venom in the comments sections. That is what the Kerchers will see, not Amanda's blog.
 
In 1989, the carabinieri unofficially asked the FBI's Behavioral Science Unit to develop a profile of the Monster of Florence. This is that profile. Notice this does not, in any way, agree with Mignini's wild and unsupported theory:

◾Lone, sexually impotent male around 40-45 years old (as of 1985).
◾Right-handed.
◾Average intelligence, with completed secondary school studies or the equivalent in the Italian education system.
◾Manual laborer.
◾Has his own car.
◾Lived alone or with an elderly relative in a working class area at the time of the murders.
◾May have had a criminal record, though only for smaller crimes such as petty theft or arson, and not for seriously violent crimes.
◾Not habitually violent and not a rapist.
◾Little sexual contact with women in his own peer group, immature and inadequate in sexual matters.
◾Patological hatred of women.
◾Likely lived in some other place rather than Florence during the 1974-1981 hiatus.
◾Targets places he knows, not specific victims.
◾Likely lived close to where he killed his first victims.
◾More comfortable using a knife than a gun.
◾The fact that he watched his victims having sex and struck with a blitz attack while they were off their guard suggests that he lacked confidence in his ability to control his victims or couldn't confront them while they were alive. He targeted the men first in order to eliminate what he perceived as the greatest threat. The fact that the killer fired so many shots suggests that he wanted to ensure
that both victims were dead before he proceeded to mutilate the women.
◾This ritual, which is marked by the killer's act of possessing the victims, was very important to him. This is why he uses the same gun, ammo from the same boxes, and the same knife in all of the murders; he probably even wore the same clothing and accessories. The body parts taken as souvenirs, possibly along with the victims' jewelry and trinkets, allowed him to relive the murders. He may even have eaten some of the body parts to complete the act of possession.
◾Sending letters to the authorities indicates that the media coverage was important to him and that he was growing more and more confident.

Outside of the BSU profile, a Size 44 shoe-print found at the Cambi-Baldi murder scene, knee marks on the side of the car at the Rontini-Stefanacci scene, and the killer firing through the windows of Rüsch and Meyer's van (which is normally more elevated than the average Italian vehicle) indicates that the Monster is between 1.80 and 1.85 meters tall (5'9"-6'07").
Of course, this is the unit developed and led by John Douglas, the PR shill, so this profile is undoubtedly and almost certainly wrong.
 
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Filomena testified the two women bonded quickly being close in age and both speaking English. There were "normal disputes " over house cleaning. " They had no reason to not get along but as time went on they drifted apart". Giacomo's complaints were mainly about Amanda's cold behavior at the Questura.
It does seem Meredith was her closest friend in Perugia to start and things then changed. Pretty much what I said in my post. Amanda didn't say Meredith was her best friend, she called her her closest friend in Perugia. She got flack over her "memorial" even some of her supporters urged her move on and leave the family in peace. Nice to see compassion and some good advice there. Sorry to ruffle the little nest .

So the point of your post is that "some supporters" expressed a view about the 10-year memorial to her friend about which you agreed.

Fair enough.
 
The MOF murders weren't a satanic conspiracy either. They seem to be the work of one deranged individual if they were all committed by the same individual. Seems like the Son of Sam and Zodiac killer without the taunts to the police. Killings of lovers in parked secluded places.


Exactly. The overwhelming majority of murders are committed by one person, acting alone. And the exceptions which prove the rule are almost all the work of either a) gangs, committing gangland "hits"; b) personality cults, where there is a single autocratic cult leader who is quasi-worshipped by followers, and who "brainwashes" his/her followers into doing his/her bidding; c) 2-person conspiracies where both people have developed high trust levels in each other on over many years of very close friendship and have egged each other on to more and more extreme behaviours (and multiple prior joint criminal acts building up towards murder); or d) 2-person conspiracies in which the first person has established a high level psychological control over the second, with the second usually also becoming dependent upon the first for approval (in most instances, these are the classic "killer (male-female) couples" in which one of the couple - usually, but not always, the male - co-opts the second over a period of many years.

The idea of satanic cults conjuring up some sort of group agreement to embark on a series of murders is as ridiculous as it is vanishingly rare. But among a certain breed of investigators and judicial figures - almost always those with strong adherence to mainstream religions and with a suspicion of "dark arts" verging on full-on paranoia - it appears all too easy to leap to those sorts of conclusions. It happened here in the UK in (IIRC) the 1990s, when the protection department of a local authority somewhere in Northern England convinced itself that a whole number of children were being systematically abused by a group of their parents in some sort of satanic ritual: the police were called in, and many parents had their children taken away from them. It turned out subsequently that nothing of the sort had ever taken place.

And it's pretty clear to any disinterested observer that Mignini was engaging in precisely this sort of religious paranoic behaviour when he pronounced on his satanic conspiracy theory in the MoF case. The evidence clearly suggests that these murders were very probably carried out by a single perpetrator with either grand narcissism or some form of mental illness such as paranoid schizophrenia, or (just possibly) by two people who were in a very close relationship and who acted in conspiracy with each other.

Furthermore, one cannot but suggest that Mignini's paranoic theories on the MoF case might feasibly have informed his approach to the Kercher murder. So yes, a direct relevance to our case.
 
Exactly. The overwhelming majority of murders are committed by one person, acting alone. And the exceptions which prove the rule are almost all the work of either a) gangs, committing gangland "hits"; b) personality cults, where there is a single autocratic cult leader who is quasi-worshipped by followers, and who "brainwashes" his/her followers into doing his/her bidding; c) 2-person conspiracies where both people have developed high trust levels in each other on over many years of very close friendship and have egged each other on to more and more extreme behaviours (and multiple prior joint criminal acts building up towards murder); or d) 2-person conspiracies in which the first person has established a high level psychological control over the second, with the second usually also becoming dependent upon the first for approval (in most instances, these are the classic "killer (male-female) couples" in which one of the couple - usually, but not always, the male - co-opts the second over a period of many years.

The idea of satanic cults conjuring up some sort of group agreement to embark on a series of murders is as ridiculous as it is vanishingly rare. But among a certain breed of investigators and judicial figures - almost always those with strong adherence to mainstream religions and with a suspicion of "dark arts" verging on full-on paranoia - it appears all too easy to leap to those sorts of conclusions. It happened here in the UK in (IIRC) the 1990s, when the protection department of a local authority somewhere in Northern England convinced itself that a whole number of children were being systematically abused by a group of their parents in some sort of satanic ritual: the police were called in, and many parents had their children taken away from them. It turned out subsequently that nothing of the sort had ever taken place.

And it's pretty clear to any disinterested observer that Mignini was engaging in precisely this sort of religious paranoic behaviour when he pronounced on his satanic conspiracy theory in the MoF case. The evidence clearly suggests that these murders were very probably carried out by a single perpetrator with either grand narcissism or some form of mental illness such as paranoid schizophrenia, or (just possibly) by two people who were in a very close relationship and who acted in conspiracy with each other.

Furthermore, one cannot but suggest that Mignini's paranoic theories on the MoF case might feasibly have informed his approach to the Kercher murder. So yes, a direct relevance to our case.

I'm convinced that Mignini is a deranged idiot especially when you view his actions on the MOF murders. It's sad the devastation he inflicted on so many people with his crazy ideas. And it is doubly shameful that the Italian system allowed such absurdities.
 
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