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Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

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Beelzebuddy said:
I think they might benefit from someone else saying that, though. Don't say "you've been bamboozled," find a photogenic moderate* conservative to say "I was bamboozled," for them to project their own feelings onto.

*Everyone's a moderate in their own minds.
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Very much this! But who knows how well even this would work? When even a very conservative, visible, and well known Republican leader, such as Senator Flake, comes out publicly with a lengthy and carefully constructed indictment of Trump's failings it ends up largely ignored by Trump's supporters. But again, one has to try to convert those who are convertible and this is probably the best approach as I see it.

This is the first time I've seen such a cult of personality in the USA during my life time. It is both fascinating and scary. For his most fervent supporters Trump can do no wrong no matter what. I imagine that surrounded by complete desolation, burned out buildings, dead corpses, their own lives ruined, their children killed, many of the supporters of Mussolini (chosen to avoid Godwinning the thread) still fervently believed in him. No doubt the same will be true of many of the followers of Kim Jong-un- something important to consider if the USA tries a military intervention.
 
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Argumemnon said:
No, I mean ask them the question flat-out: do you want me to lie or to tell you the truth?
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They want their version of truth. That's the crux of the problem because there aren't multiple versions of the truth.
 
The Don said:
Despite Mueller's indictments, Donald Trump's approval ratings are up :(

http://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

Up from 35% to 38% overall

Up to 83% with Republicans - his highest since July, up to 35% among independents, joint highest since June :(
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I'm not surprised that he's still doing well with Republicans, but I did expect him to take a hit with independents. I still think that bad news regarding the Russia connections with hurt him in the long run with voters outside of his base.
 
I... ugh. Trump’s nominee to serve as head of the Council on Environmental Quality doesn’t know if water expands as it warms.
 
Giordano said:
Very much this! But who knows how well even this would work? When even a very conservative, visible, and well known Republican leader, such as Senator Flake, comes out publicly with a lengthy and carefully constructed indictment of Trump's failings it ends up largely ignored by Trump's supporters. But again, one has to try to convert those who are convertible and this is probably the best approach as I see it.
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I don't think the people whom ads are made for are the kind to remember a senator from another state ragequitting a year or two ago. Those who would have probably already made up their minds and wouldn't be much influenced.

But then, I don't understand political ads anyway. When a normal product references a competitor in an ad, they never do it by name. It's always "other leading brands" and suchlike. Even if you're saying their product is crap, you don't give them free name recognition. That's common sense. But political ads all start with "TED JERKWAD is a poopyhead," as if the attention were a bad thing (it isn't).

If you ask me, the secret to Trump's success was sailing in to office on a wave of newsmen going TRUMPTRUMPTRUMPTRUMPTRUMP. They weren't saying anything *good* about him, but they sure as hell made everyone know he was important.
 
Stacko said:
I... ugh. Trump’s nominee to serve as head of the Council on Environmental Quality doesn’t know if water expands as it warms.
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And yet, like as not, her appointment will be confirmed because every single GOP representative will vote for her. For many it'll be cause her global-warming denialism and her ignorance of basic science is something they can sign up to and for the rest it'll be on partisan lines. :mad:
 
Argumemnon said:
No, I mean ask them the question flat-out: do you want me to lie or to tell you the truth?
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Their mouths would say, "Truth" but their hearts would say, "lie."

I wish I had the Purple Man's powers. I'd put myself in the position of interviewing politicians and I'd start each interview with, "Now, tell me the truth." Can you imagine a dedicated journalist who could literally compel people to tell the truth?
 
halleyscomet said:
Their mouths would say, "Truth" but their hearts would say, "lie."

I wish I had the Purple Man's powers. I'd put myself in the position of interviewing politicians and I'd start each interview with, "Now, tell me the truth." Can you imagine a dedicated journalist who could literally compel people to tell the truth?
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That is a fantastic premise for a series!
 
halleyscomet said:
Their mouths would say, "Truth" but their hearts would say, "lie."

I wish I had the Purple Man's powers. I'd put myself in the position of interviewing politicians and I'd start each interview with, "Now, tell me the truth." Can you imagine a dedicated journalist who could literally compel people to tell the truth?
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Didn't Jim Carrey make a movie like that? ;)
 
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