Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

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Yeah Dems need to figure out what they're for. May become up with an economic development plan for the coal and Rustbelt states.
Way too complicated. The program that Hillary posted, quoting Parahraph 23 or some such thing, it does not work in Twitter era. Tweets are here to stay. ”I’m going to erase all these Trump executive orders because they are BAD for America”, that is the gut feel stuff the swing voters are capable of absorbing.
 
A year later, the local unemployment rate has ticked down, and activity in a few coal mines has ticked up. Beyond that, though, not much has changed—at least not for the better. Johnstown and the surrounding region are struggling in the same ways and for the same reasons. The drug problem is just as bad. “There’s nothing good in the area,” Schilling said the other day in her living room. “I don’t have anything good to say about anything in this area. It’s sad.” Even so, her backing for Trump is utterly undiminished: “I’m a supporter of him, 100 percent.”

What I heard from Schilling is overwhelmingly what I heard in my follow-up conversations with people here that I talked to last year as well. Over the course of three rainy, dreary days last week, I revisited and shook hands with the president’s base—that thirtysomething percent of the electorate who resolutely approve of the job he is doing, the segment of voters who share his view that the Russia investigation is a “witch hunt” that “has nothing to do with him,” and who applaud his judicial nominees and his determination to gut the federal regulatory apparatus. But what I wasn’t prepared for was how readily these same people had abandoned the contract he had made with them. Their satisfaction with Trump now seems untethered to the things they once said mattered to them the most.

“I don’t know that he has done a lot to help,” Frear told me. Last year, she said she wouldn’t vote for him again if he didn’t do what he said he was going to do. Last week, she matter-of-factly stated that she would. “Support Trump? Sure,” she said. “I like him.”

When I asked Del Signore about the past year here, he said he “didn’t see any change because we got a new president.” He nonetheless remains an ardent proponent. “He’s our answer.”

I asked Schilling what would happen if the next three years go the way the last one has.

“I’m not going to blame him,” Schilling said. “Absolutely not.”

Is there anything that could change her mind about Trump?

“Nope,” she said.

All this, perhaps, is not so surprising, considering polling continues to show that—in spite of unprecedented unpopularity—nearly all people who voted for Trump would do it again. But as I compared this year’s answers to last year’s responses it seemed clear that the basis of people’s support had morphed. Johnstown voters do not intend to hold the president accountable for the nonnegotiable pledges he made to them. It’s not that the people who made Trump president have generously moved the goalposts for him. It’s that they have eliminated the goalposts altogether.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...rump-johnstown-pennsylvania-supporters-215800

Deep down the know that they were scammed by Trump. They fell for his con and now they refuse to acknowledge, perhaps even to themselves, that they were played. Now they are apparently unconditionally supportive of him simply because to voice doubt would force them to own up to their mistake.

Buyers remorse at its finest.
 
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Way too complicated. The program that Hillary posted, quoting Parahraph 23 or some such thing, it does not work in Twitter era. Tweets are here to stay. ”I’m going to erase all these Trump executive orders because they are BAD for America”, that is the gut feel stuff the swing voters are capable of absorbing.

And you need a snappy slogan.

Make American Pretty Good Again.
 
Way too complicated. The program that Hillary posted, quoting Parahraph 23 or some such thing, it does not work in Twitter era. Tweets are here to stay. ”I’m going to erase all these Trump executive orders because they are BAD for America”, that is the gut feel stuff the swing voters are capable of absorbing.

You're a depressing bastard, aren't you? Not necessarily wrong, but depressing as hell.
 
https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...rump-johnstown-pennsylvania-supporters-215800

Deep down the know that they were scammed by Trump. They fell for his con and now they refuse to acknowledge, perhaps even to themselves, that they were played. Now they are apparently unconditionally supportive of him simply because to voice doubt would force them to own up to their mistake.

Buyers remorse at its finest.

From that article.....

“Everybody I talk to,” he said, “realizes it’s not Trump who’s dragging his feet. Trump’s probably the most diligent, hardest-working president we’ve ever had in our lifetimes. It’s not like he sleeps in till noon and goes golfing every weekend, like the last president did.”

I stopped him, informing him that, yes, Barack Obama liked to golf, but Trump in fact does golf a lot, too—more, in fact.

Del Signore was surprised to hear this.

“Does he?” he said.

“Yes,” I said.

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It is however an insight into what the Democratic Party needs to do. It literally does not matter what President Trump does or does not do, a large part of the US electorate are so uninformed that they don't know the most basic stuff but just like the cut of President Trump's job :(

The Democratic Party needs to find an exceptional candidate who can woo enough voters to get over the line.
 
https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...rump-johnstown-pennsylvania-supporters-215800

Deep down the know that they were scammed by Trump. They fell for his con and now they refuse to acknowledge, perhaps even to themselves, that they were played. Now they are apparently unconditionally supportive of him simply because to voice doubt would force them to own up to their mistake.

Buyers remorse at its finest.

Good article. It highlights the real, deep-running problem that makes people vote for Trump: racism.
 
From that article.....



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It is however an insight into what the Democratic Party needs to do. It literally does not matter what President Trump does or does not do, a large part of the US electorate are so uninformed that they don't know the most basic stuff but just like the cut of President Trump's job :(

The Democratic Party needs to find an exceptional candidate who can woo enough voters to get over the line.

There's no "wooing" these people. They are a lost cause. The people they need to woo are the people who rarely or never vote. That also means fighting tooth and nail against any voter supression.
 
There's no "wooing" these people. They are a lost cause. The people they need to woo are the people who rarely or never vote. That also means fighting tooth and nail against any voter supression.

I don't think The Don meant wooing Trump voters but general audiences.
 
There's no "wooing" these people. They are a lost cause. The people they need to woo are the people who rarely or never vote. That also means fighting tooth and nail against any voter supression.

Well, that's because the democrats won't do the things they need to attract these people as supporters. We've heard it before, clearly the democrats aren't doing enough to accommodate the racists. They need to do things to get more support from racist people. If they'd only play more to people's racism, they would be a lot more popular. Instead, they have platforms espousing stuff like equality. How do they expect to win with that?
 
Has yesterday's election caused you to rethink that view? It should.

Trump thinks the Republican lost because of not enough Trump.

https://www.vox.com/2017/11/7/16621818/read-trump-analysis-virginia-governor-race

Ed Gillespie worked hard but did not embrace me or what I stand for. Don’t forget, Republicans won 4 out of 4 House seats, and with the economy doing record numbers, we will continue to win, even bigger than before!

Republicans won 4 out of 4 House seats in special elections where if they had nominated a potted plant it would have won.

Trump fails to mention that his endorsee in Mississippi couldn't even win the Republican primary.

And Trump didn't win Virginia either.
 
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The special elections were in safe red districts. NJ and VA elect a mix of Dem and GOP people to Senate/House/Governor positions. This is a far better indicator. In addition to the governorship in VA, the Dems picked up about fifteen assembly (House of Delegates, it's called) seats in suburban and exurban districts.
I dunno about the rest of the state, but in PA, there are some staunchly republican suburbs of Philadelphia that elected democrats to positions that have been held by republicans for years.

Philly's big election was for DA, and they elected the Bernie Sanders of DAs.
 
Has yesterday's election caused you to rethink that view? It should.

Somewhat, but I'd like to see how the results are analysed. For example, that the GOP lost in New Jersey isn't a huge surprise given how spectacularly unpopular Chris Christie had become.

OTOH, the Democratic Party did very well in Virginia but whether that can be extrapolated nationally is another matter.
 
I don't think The Don meant wooing Trump voters but general audiences.

Yes, this.

Being attractive enough to voters to have them bother to turn out or to sway people who might vote the GOP ticket but who are open to persuasion. IMO both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were able to to this but boring candidates don't do so well.
 
I think that many Trump supporters simply cannot be wooed by the Democrats by any legitimate means because of their racism or other extreme right-wing views. But I do think that a goodly percentage of Trump voters would be open to a populist approach if it was presented in a way that they would not have to admit that they were wrong to support Trump. Perhaps an argument such as,

"We understand your anger and frustration as you were being left behind in the economy. We understand your fears as what were solid jobs disappeared and your own financial situation became more and more marginal. We understand why you wanted to change the business-as-usual thinking in government that appeared to ignore you and your problems. We understand how Trump spoke to you on these issues and why you hoped he would be the one, the outsider who would help you. But sadly he lied, he betrayed you! You counted on him caring about you, but he turned out to be just another lying billionaire seeking to line his own pockets and the pockets of his wealthy friends. Rather than trying to solve your concerns he only cynically exploited them for his own benefit. You only have to look at what he's done in the last year to prove that to you.

The Democrats are the party who has historically done more for those who are not wealthy than the Republicans. We now, better than ever, understand your views, and this is what we are going to do if elected to prove that we are on your side..."
 
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