Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

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phiwum said:
Pretty minor victory for the Dems, isn't it?

It's something, but a little early to call it a backlash. Let's wait and see regarding 2018, given the special elections thus far.
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I agree. I year is a very long time in politics. Also, the FCC is voting to change it's rules to allow Sinclair to buy all broadcast media outlets in America. A single down can have all of it's broadcast radio, television and newspapers controlled by a single corporation if/when they change the rules. They are going to control the media, and this will have a significant effect on voter opinion.
 
phiwum said:
Pretty minor victory for the Dems, isn't it?

It's something, but a little early to call it a backlash. Let's wait and see regarding 2018, given the special elections thus far.
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No, it's very significant, and it's hard to attribute the huge turnout to anything other than Trump backlash.
 
Aw crap... I had hoped the beta of Twitter's doubled character limit would last longer. The system wide roll out starts tonight.

Prepare for even more Trump. :rolleyes:


( don't pretend "more room for detail" will make his babbling more understandable)
 
Jim_MDP;12066881jk said:
I've been watching and not once have I seen the elections on the Fox chyron. Not even the small script scroll underneath... wonder why? Every other cable outlet has running coverage. :p
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Wonder not. The GOP is taking it in the shorts so Fox has to cover ... something.
 
SezMe said:
Wonder not. The GOP is taking it in the shorts so Fox has to cover ... something.
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Last hour was more of the same. But now at 8PM (West coast) "Fox News @Night" is opening with it... kinda.
Right now they're hammering away that it's all about turnout. Satisfied Trumpkins, motivated dispirited Dems.
Massive, massive Dem turnout.
That's the whole explanation. :rolleyes:


Aaaaaand... that lasted ten minutes. It's off to Asia and some Trump. :rolleyes:
 
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phiwum said:
Pretty minor victory for the Dems, isn't it?

It's something, but a little early to call it a backlash. Let's wait and see regarding 2018, given the special elections thus far.
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The special elections were in safe red districts. NJ and VA elect a mix of Dem and GOP people to Senate/House/Governor positions. This is a far better indicator. In addition to the governorship in VA, the Dems picked up about fifteen assembly (House of Delegates, it's called) seats in suburban and exurban districts. Since the upper house (State Senate) is nearly a 50/50 split, the GOP has to worry that they lose control of their Etch-and-Sketch gerrymander kit in 2019. The Dems will pour a lot of money into VA in '18 and '19. You want to be the party in control when the census results start coming in as that's time for re-districting!

Bear in mind that the idiot in VA didn't so much run away from Trump as run as All the Bigotry and Misogyny, Just Not the Hairdo. Gillespie is a reactionary dawg. I predict that the VA GOP will start running as far from Jim Crow as they can get. The state's gone safely blue in the last few Presidential elections, has a Dem governor, two Dem Senators and the only thing protecting their margin in Congress is the crazy quilt of gerrymandering. The 2016 GOP presidential campaign didn't spend any money in VA for a reason. If it's a fair statewide election the populated centers far outweigh Deputy Dawg country.
 
Many pundits think President Trump could sin again in 2020 if the Democratic Party puts up the same or a similar candidate:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41839706

Pundit 1:
"Trump is still doing things that energise the people who brought him to the White House," says Mr Cahaly. Such as?

"The NFL thing. Anyone who thinks the NFL thing has hurt Trump among the people who won the swing states is completely crazy."

But what about the Russian links? The special counsel indicting Mr Trump's former campaign chairman?

"There are strong Russian connections with Hillary now," he says.
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Pundit 2:
"He lost the popular vote (in 2016) and he managed to squeak in the electoral college.

"I wouldn't rule out the possibility, with the same opponent, he could pull that off again."
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Pundit 3:
"It's the worst any president has had [at this stage in his presidency]. It looks like a long shot - but it was a long shot for him to win in the first place."

So - in a hypothetical election against Hillary - who would he put his money on?

"I would bet that he would win again," he says. "He would beat her again."
Like Robert Cahaly from the Trafalgar Group, he thinks a different Democrat could have a better chance. But he doesn't know who that might be.
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Which aligns with my own view that "not Trump" isn't enough for the Democratic Party.
 
The Don said:
Many pundits think President Trump could sin again in 2020 if the Democratic Party puts up the same or a similar candidate:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41839706

Pundit 1:


Pundit 2:


Pundit 3:


Which aligns with my own view that "not Trump" isn't enough for the Democratic Party.
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Yeah Dems need to figure out what they're for. May become up with an economic development plan for the coal and Rustbelt states.
 
Craig4 said:
Yeah Dems need to figure out what they're for. May become up with an economic development plan for the coal and Rustbelt states.
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They have. Its called the Appalacian Regional Commission, which works to diversify the economies of states that have been hit by job losses in the coal industry. There have been other attempts to provide aid to coal mining areas, but they were blocked by the GOP. Clinton also had policies in her platform to increase green energy jobs in coal mining states.

So, the problem is not a lack of an economic development plan. The problem instead seems to be a combination of racism and ignorance. But I guess when you have a choice between a clearly thought out economic plan like the Democrats had, and a bunch of empty catch phrases (like "Trump digs coal") spouted off by a racist orangutan, some voters will always pick the white guy.
 
Segnosaur said:
They have. Its called the Appalacian Regional Commission, which works to diversify the economies of states that have been hit by job losses in the coal industry. There have been other attempts to provide aid to coal mining areas, but they were blocked by the GOP. Clinton also had policies in her platform to increase green energy jobs in coal mining states.

So, the problem is not a lack of an economic development plan. The problem instead seems to be a combination of racism and ignorance. But I guess when you have a choice between a clearly thought out economic plan like the Democrats had, and a bunch of empty catch phrases (like "Trump digs coal") spouted off by a racist orangutan, some voters will always pick the white guy.
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That's the trouble, the Democratic Party had a comparatively complicated plan which entailed people retraining and/or moving - two things that many people are reluctant to do.

President Trump and the GOP told them that they'd get their old jobs back*.

It's not that surprising that many people chose the latter even though it was a pipe dream.

It goes back to something I've been banging on about for a while. Conservatives propose simple solutions to complex problems which may not work but at least allow immediate action. Liberals tend to propose more complex solutions to complex problems which are more difficult to implement and more difficult to "sell"

* - and the really smart thing about that was that an attack on that pie-in-the-sky policy is, in effect, an attack on the part of the electorate who support it - well played GOP :mad:
 
I think Don is correct. Generally, people are stupid and the GOP knows how to use that stupidity to their advantage. Democrats treat people as intelligent, reasonable beings, which doesn't work because people are stupid.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I think Don is correct. Generally, people are stupid and the GOP knows how to use that stupidity to their advantage. Democrats treat people as intelligent, reasonable beings, which doesn't work because people are stupid.
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Democrats are terrible at emotional narratives that speak to ideals.

Even the analytical boor that I am will admit there has to be some pathos with the logos and ethos.

This is where the tapatalk signature that annoys people used to be
 
Jim_MDP said:
There are elections going on?
How weird... I've had Fox on for an hour and there's no mention of it.
Tucker and now Sean have been going on about Weinstein and then D. Brazile, and now Gorka is giving Trump a long distance remote hummer.


jk... I've been watching and not once have I seen the elections on the Fox chyron. Not even the small script scroll underneath... wonder why? Every other cable outlet has running coverage. :p
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They report, you decide. Or not.
 
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