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Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 2

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phiwum said:
It happens.

Glancing around the "Unhack the Vote" site, it seems to be pretty dubious. Very little in the way of facts that I could see. I wouldn't be a regular visitor, personally.

Anyway, no matter. I appreciate that you conceded the point. Beats digging in one's heels and refusing to admit error like certain heads of these United States, elected last November.
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I've never used the site before, it popped up on a tech feed I pay attention to.

I'm not a huge "dig in the heels" fan and, despite the accusation, I know enough about tech to know when I'm wrong. I checked a few things in the article (the whois pics, etc) and jumped the gun. It's been a thing for me, apparently, the last few days.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
Well Gee, I guess you boi doesn't have any clue what the FBI did or didn't do then, does he ?

I'm not sure why you think this is helping your case ?
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You miss the point.

The anonymous source was authoritative and reliable on those points which support Childlike's claims, and not on those points which do not. Hence, it is a fallacy to rely on the source on the latter but not the former.

Duh.
 
phiwum said:
You miss the point.

The anonymous source was authoritative and reliable on those points which support Childlike's claims, and not on those points which do not. Hence, it is a fallacy to rely on the source on the latter but not the former.

Duh.
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The only claim that the author (not me) made in regard to the CNN link is that they reported that the FBI relied on the piss dossier for their further steps, which is fully backed by the source.
 
plague311 said:
I'm not a huge "dig in the heels" fan and, despite the accusation, I know enough about tech to know when I'm wrong. I checked a few things in the article (the whois pics, etc) and jumped the gun. It's been a thing for me, apparently, the last few days.
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Look who gets uppity already again. My playful invention of the other subdomain was a very mild way of pointing out the objective wrongness of your ways, not an "accusation". You can actually thank me for not responding in depth to some claims you made.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Look who gets uppity already again. My playful invention of the other subdomain was a very mild way of pointing out the objective wrongness of your ways, not an "accusation". You can actually thank me for not responding in depth to some claims you made.
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Snide, at best. Uppity? No. You made an obvious assertion, and I rebutted it. Also, just because I was wrong certainly doesn't mean I owe anyone anything. Respond in depth all you'd like. It's your time, do with it what you will. I'm fully prepared to defend anything I say, and if I can't then I will admit I'm wrong. I did it here, I've done it in other threads, and it doesn't bother me at all. You've used nothing more than state run sites to try and back up a few of your claims, and that can be just as bad.

I have no idea why I would thank you. You're assuming you'd be right, or that I am afraid of your replies. I assure you, that's not the case.
 
plague311 said:
I have no idea why I would thank you. You're assuming you'd be right, or that I am afraid of your replies. I assure you, that's not the case.
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And that's because you are unaware of the nonsense you've produced before you were left with no place but to realize the dead-end. I'll leave it at that.
 
Childlike Empress said:
The only claim that the author (not me) made in regard to the CNN link is that they reported that the FBI relied on the piss dossier for their further steps, which is fully backed by the source.
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as is:

Officials familiar with the process say even if the application to monitor Page included information from the dossier, it would only be after the FBI had corroborated the information through its own investigation. The officials would not say what or how much was corroborated.

We agree then that if they used the dossier, they also corroborated it.
 
phiwum said:
You miss the point.

The anonymous source was authoritative and reliable on those points which support Childlike's claims, and not on those points which do not. Hence, it is a fallacy to rely on the source on the latter but not the former.

Duh.
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Good point :-)
 
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phiwum said:
You miss the point.

The anonymous source was authoritative and reliable on those points which support Childlike's claims, and not on those points which do not. Hence, it is a fallacy to rely on the source on the latter but not the former.

Duh.
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Childlike Empress said:
We agree on nothing but that you pretend to take claims of anonymous sources cited by CNN as gospel truth.
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lol OK
 
TheL8Elvis said:
lol OK
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Is there something in the water over there? Let's call the author you can't remember anyway V.V.. Here's the scenario:

V.V.: CNN said the FBI used the Steele dossier as basis for further investigation. If they did without corroboration, big deal---

CNN: The FBI used the Steele dossier as basis for further investigation, says our anonymous source who also says they wouldn't do so without corroboration but didn't tell us details about what, how much and how.

TheL8Elvis: THE ANONYMOUS SOURCE SAID THE FBI WOULDN'T USE SOMETHING WITHOUT CORROBORATION, V.V. IS A LYING LIAR!!!ELEVENTY

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Childlike Empress said:
As a little punishment for the insults to everyone's intelligence on display, here is an actual Russian author writing on an actual Russian outlet today, someone who I have disagreed with in the past but is spot on here: RussiaGate: Soft Power Suicide of a Superpower
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Again I ask: why always Russian news? What is it with you and Russia? Why are you more inclined to believe sources from there? It should be an interesting discussion, if you didn't run away from it.
 
Argumemnon said:
Again I ask: why always Russian news? What is it with you and Russia? Why are you more inclined to believe sources from there? It should be an interesting discussion, if you didn't run away from it.
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Track record.
Americans have been lying to me to start wars all my life. I was 15 when they lied to me about irakis throwing babies out of incubators.

Breedlove tried to explain to me that the refugees who started to arrive in 2013 from all over the middle east where all the result of evil russians bombing in syria in autumn of 2015.

Now they try to tell me that Nordstrom shouldn't be built to increase "energy independence" while the russians have been reliably delivering gas since before I was born.

Why should I trust americans?
 
magellan said:
Track record.
Americans have been lying to me to start wars all my life. I was 15 when they lied to me about irakis throwing babies out of incubators.

Breedlove tried to explain to me that the refugees who started to arrive in 2013 from all over the middle east where all the result of evil russians bombing in syria in autumn of 2015.

Now they try to tell me that Nordstrom shouldn't be built to increase "energy independence" while the russians have been reliably delivering gas since before I was born.

Why should I trust americans?
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What about German, UK, Australian, Singaporean media? Why do think the Russian media doesn't lie as much as the USA media?
 
magellan said:
Track record.
Americans have been lying to me to start wars all my life. I was 15 when they lied to me about irakis throwing babies out of incubators.

Breedlove tried to explain to me that the refugees who started to arrive in 2013 from all over the middle east where all the result of evil russians bombing in syria in autumn of 2015.

Now they try to tell me that Nordstrom shouldn't be built to increase "energy independence" while the russians have been reliably delivering gas since before I was born.

Why should I trust americans?
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Reasons to distrust Americans are not reasons to trust Russians.
 
magellan said:
Track record.
Americans have been lying to me to start wars all my life. I was 15 when they lied to me about irakis throwing babies out of incubators.

Breedlove tried to explain to me that the refugees who started to arrive in 2013 from all over the middle east where all the result of evil russians bombing in syria in autumn of 2015.

Now they try to tell me that Nordstrom shouldn't be built to increase "energy independence" while the russians have been reliably delivering gas since before I was born.

Why should I trust americans?
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Who said anything about Americans? That has nothing to do with my question, so it's a strange answer.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Gee, what if the anonymous source CNN claims to have the info from wasn't entirely correct in their unsubstantiated claim that the FBI wouldn't use uncorroborated info? How dare the professor even allege this? Hahahaha! Oh "boi".
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The professor's allegation is itself unsubstantiated. He's basically taking the position that it's unsubstantiated because he hasn't seen proof of its substantiation, which he's not going to see because it's a FISA court.

And you're taking the position that anonymous sources are not to be believed unless they say what you want, and then you can cherry-pick the parts you like that fit your narrative while dismissing the parts that don't.
 
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