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Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

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It is in Trumpanomics. Rule one is never pay your contractors after all, free buildings then.
My turn to say, stop it, just stop. :(

None of this has jack **** to do with the lie in H-Sanders' tax parable. There is no free lunch, someone has to pay for those tax cuts for the billionaires and it's not going to come from new revenue.

It didn't come from new revenue with Reagan's trickle down, it came from increasing the deficit. It's never come from increased revenue with supply side economics.

Yes, if you dump a lot of money into the economy using the deficit to pay for it, you get a short term economic boost. But you would get a lot more bang for your buck if you inject that money into rebuilding infrastructure.
 
So is Trump unaware Tony and John Podesta are two different people or is he knowingly conflating the two given his base is unlikely to notice?
 
So is Trump unaware Tony and John Podesta are two different people or is he knowingly conflating the two given his base is unlikely to notice?

Presumably he's just throwing out red meat so that there's a lot of rummaging around. Can't imagine that the WH staff must be enjoying their week so far.
 
Whatever. The argument that "You can't believe him when he says he lied, because he's an admitted liar," is frigging brilliant.

And since Trump never admits a lie, it doesn't apply to him.

I didn't say it wasn't well thought out. I'm just saying that if his supporters accept that, they shouldn't use the "well, he lies in the open" excuse for him.
 
I don't think that the US electorate would necessarily view it that way - at least not the ones who may be minded to vote GOP.

Presidential pardons will be interpreted as either those pardoned are innocent or that the charges were blown out of all proportion for partisan reasons. The Mueller investigation will be viewed like the Starr investigation as being a witch hunt that wasted tens of millions of taxpayer dollars. Any and all blow-back will be on the Democratic Party for behaving in such a despicable way. :(

WHy don't you just admit you are resigned to America becoming a dictatorship?
 
I don't think that the US electorate would necessarily view it that way - at least not the ones who may be minded to vote GOP.

Presidential pardons will be interpreted as either those pardoned are innocent or that the charges were blown out of all proportion for partisan reasons. The Mueller investigation will be viewed like the Starr investigation as being a witch hunt that wasted tens of millions of taxpayer dollars. Any and all blow-back will be on the Democratic Party for behaving in such a despicable way. :(

I think that's a broadly accurate view of how Trump's base would respond. Hopefully enough people on the bubble will see it differently.
 
I still have not agreed that the meeting is a good piece of evidence for indicating the person was known to Trump.

The claim was trump knew him. The argument for it was because they attended a meeting together. I am not on board with the second part.

If that was all the evidence, then that might be reasonable.

However Trump had previously listed him as one of his five Foreign policy advisors and an excellent guy.



In that situation it is reasonable to believe that he was one of Trump's top five foreign policy advisors, and wel-known to Trump. Especially with the timeline of his emails and Trumps responses.
 
I think that's a broadly accurate view of how Trump's base would respond. Hopefully enough people on the bubble will see it differently.

This. It's the undecided who decide elections, and Trump ratings with them have been dropping.
I think Trump going the Pardon route.and if there is not push back from the GOP in Congress, would set off a series of mass protests that would make the 60's look like a Sunday School picnic. In fact I think the country would go in a state of near political chaos.
 
Even if he was, would it matter ?

His own AG has demonstrated that there is no penalty for perjury, his own attempts to interfere in and frustrate the investigation haven't been criticised in any meaningful way by the GOP.
Whether Congress does anything kind of depends on how intimidated they are by his personal popularity among GOP voters. I thing that will erode to some degree as Trump's inability to take criticism continues to provoke juvenile responses.

That "King Baby" stuff gets old eventually.
 
They're huge meetings, conference calls. The phone rings, you feel honored.


We know that Trump had no problem holding meetings in the dining room of Mar a Lago and soliciting advice from anyone who happened to be in the room, so maybe it isn't all that far-fetched.

Although I don't think he identified many of those random diners as his foreign policy advisors in multiple interviews.
 
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WHy don't you just admit you are resigned to America becoming a dictatorship?

Because I'm not.

In 3 years time President Trump will be up for re-election and there's a decent (though IMO not quite 50%) chance that he won't be re-elected if he chooses to stand. In any case in 7 years he cannot stand again and typically at that stage, the US electorate pick one of the other sort after 8 years.

Of course one of the other sort will be continually hampered by the House (which has been gerrymandered) and, for a generation, the courts but it's likely that too will change.

What I have resigned myself to is that President Trump will not be removed from office - regardless but then again looking at Pence I'm not sure he's not the lesser of two evils.
 
If that was all the evidence, then that might be reasonable.

However Trump had previously listed him as one of his five Foreign policy advisors and an excellent guy.



In that situation it is reasonable to believe that he was one of Trump's top five foreign policy advisors, and wel-known to Trump. Especially with the timeline of his emails and Trumps responses.

Which is why the denial is stupid.
 
In the meantime, Trump in a dither...

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It's kind of amazing he's boiled his entire defense down to, "No puppet! No puppet! You're the puppet!"
 
Citing The Bible, The EPA Just Changed Its Rules For Science Advisors

On the journey to the promised land, "Joshua says to the people of Israel: choose this day whom you are going to serve," Pruitt said. "This is sort of like the Joshua principle — that as it relates to grants from this agency, you are going to have to choose either service on the committee to provide counsel to us in an independent fashion or chose the grant. But you can’t do both. That’s the fair and great thing to do."

A large coalition of science organizations, science advocates, environmentalists, and politicians lined up in fierce opposition to the policy changes, arguing the rules not only disqualify top environmental and health researchers from advising but also favor scientists paid for by EPA-regulated companies. They also have pointed out that EPA has strict rules in place for disclosing any conflicts of interest.

"Frankly, this directive is nuts," Al Teich of George Washington University wrote in an email to BuzzFeed News.

"There is an important role for citizen advisors who are not experts in a scientific field and who represent various constituencies on advisory committees," wrote Teich, a research professor of science, technology, and international affairs. "But they should complement, not replace the experts. Disqualifying the very people who know the most about a subject from serving as advisors makes no sense."

The change calls into question EPA's ability to protect the country, according to Rush Holt, chief executive officer of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. "We question whether the EPA can continue to pursue its core mission to protect human health and the environment," Holt said in a statement issued Tuesday.
 
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