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Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

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Civet said:
So a guy we already knew was in the hot seat busted for activities not clearly linked to the campaign? I know it's still just starting but it's a little anticlimactic.
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Civet said:
So a guy we already knew was in the hot seat busted for activities not clearly linked to the campaign? I know it's still just starting but it's a little anticlimactic.
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My bet was on Manafort. I'm happy there were more. The Papadopolous indictment is probably the highest octane pertaining to a Trump-Russia Connection, as him pleading guilty demonstrates that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.
 
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Yeah, that's a lot worse. Glancing through the Statement of the Offense it looks like Papadopoulos admits that he informed and received instructions from other members of the campaign related to his shenanigans. No names yet, but I'm sure they'll be interesting when they come out. Although it also looks like he's unaware of (or unwilling to admit to) any sort of higher-level meeting with the Russians actually happening.
 
Civet said:
Yeah, that's a lot worse. Glancing through the Statement of the Offense it looks like Papadopoulos admits that he informed and received instructions from other members of the campaign related to his shenanigans. No names yet, but I'm sure they'll be interesting when they come out. Although it also looks like he's unaware of (or unwilling to admit to) any sort of higher-level meeting with the Russians actually happening.
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Mueller is running a tight ship. It seems Mueller's team was able to keep the Papadapolous news from leaking for three months. There's probably a lot more they're keeping behind closed doors for now.
 
quadraginta said:
They don't need to be found guilty.

They don't even need to be charged with anything.

Ford gave Nixon;


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And he was under no obligation to set any date limitations on it, either. He just chose Nixon's term in office as President.

The only restriction I am aware of is that it is limited to crimes under Federal law. Crimes committed under state laws are not included.
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It's worth pointing out that Ford's pardon of Nixon almost certainly cost him the Presidency. It's not clear that Trump's capable of understanding that, of course.
 
He's having lunch with Jeff Sessions today. Will those who lost their minds over former President Clinton meeting with Loretta Lynch comment on the impropriety of Trump meeting with Sessions today?
 
Stacko said:
He's having lunch with Jeff Sessions today. Will those who lost their minds over former President Clinton meeting with Loretta Lynch comment on the impropriety of Trump meeting with Sessions today?
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Doubtful. Although today's meeting was already scheduled, so it's really nothing.

I'm thinking the topic of conversation may be different than it was when they originally scheduled it though.

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Stacko said:
Mueller is running a tight ship. It seems Mueller's team was able to keep the Papadapolous news from leaking for three months. There's probably a lot more they're keeping behind closed doors for now.
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The Papadapolous outreach to Russia is old news. See here:

Less than a decade out of college, Papadopoulos appeared to hold little sway within the campaign, and it is unclear whether he was acting as an intermediary for the Russian government, although he told campaign officials he was.

While the emails illustrate his eagerness to strengthen the campaign’s connections to the Russian government, Papadopoulos does not spell out in them why it would be in Trump’s interest to do so. His entreaties appear to have generated more concern than excitement within the campaign, which at the time was looking to seal the Republican nomination and take on a heavily favored Hillary Clinton in the general election.

But the internal resistance to Papadopoulos’s requests is at odds with other overtures Trump allies were making toward Russia at the time, mostly at a more senior level of the campaign.
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The new news is that Papadopoulos was stupid enough to meet with the FBI without having a lawyer present, and he was stupid enough to lie about stuff that was fully documented in his emails. Although, giving him the benefit of the doubt, it is possible that he didn't really lie but simply misremembered the timeline.

Anyway, I suspect that he pleaded guilty because Mueller promised him a very light sentence in return.

After reading the Statement of Offense, I'd say that it is more exculpatory for the Trump campaign than inculpatory. The campaign clearly didn't respond to Papdopoulos' eager-beaverness, and some higher-ups expressed wariness about dealing with Russia because of Logan Act and other concerns.

I'll note also that the Statement is dated Oct. 5, 2017. Mueller has had this in his back pocket for three weeks, and yet he releases it now (and foreshadows it on Friday) along with the long-awaited indictment of Manafort for completely unrelated financial crimes, as a way to deflect attention from the fact that the entire Russia investigation is predicated on a bogus document prepared by (and subsequently lied about by) the Clinton campaign.
 
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Stacko said:
He's having lunch with Jeff Sessions today. Will those who lost their minds over former President Clinton meeting with Loretta Lynch comment on the impropriety of Trump meeting with Sessions today?
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Trump is president,and Sessions is his attorney general. Clinton wasn't president, and Loretta Lynch wasn't his attorney general, at the time. Also, Sessions has recused himself from the Russia investigation.
 
sunmaster14 said:
.... as a way to deflect attention from the fact wingnut claim that the entire Russia investigation is predicated on a bogus document prepared by (and subsequently lied about by) the Clinton campaign.
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FTFY. The two are not related, just conflated. The cyber attacks and targeted social media advertising were and are entirely unrelated to an investigation into Trump's doings in Russia, initiated by Republicans. What the two topics do have in common is the single word, "Russia." Using the same word does not mean, say, yellow fever is caused by the evil yellow ribbons tied around old oak trees. It does, however, allow for the kind of sloppy misdirects you seem to think are unassailable gems of wisdom.
 
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sunmaster14 said:
I'll note also that the Statement is dated Oct. 5, 2017. Mueller has had this in his back pocket for three weeks, and yet he releases it now (and foreshadows it on Friday) along with the long-awaited indictment of Manafort for completely unrelated financial crimes, as a way to deflect attention from the fact that the entire Russia investigation is predicated on a bogus document prepared by (and subsequently lied about by) the Clinton campaign.
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Are you seriously suggesting that Mueller is trying to deflect attention away from something like that? What would be his motive? He's under no obligation to reach a specific conclusion on the matter.
 
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