Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

[Jim_MDP]

I never claimed my proposal would be the last word But perhaps you got the gist: level the field by making campaign financing public and equal-opportunity.

Oh... no doubt some kind of restrictions would be a good thing in US Elections. We've pretty much completely lost our minds. Single cycle POTUS campaign fund totals (all parties) in the realm of a BILLION dollars, constant fundraising requirements on all members of Congress (and it averages out to a measurable portion of every day... raise the bucks or lose the next election) and barely a year to catch ones' breath and actually you know... legislate, before the run-up to the next election begins.

It's insanity. It's a friggin' industry.

 

[Stacko]

CNN is reporting the a Washington Grand Jury has returned the first indictments in the Mueller investigation.

I wonder who it is and what the charge is.

My money is on Manafort. Paige, Flynn and Jared are in the running though.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Additional from CNN:


“The charges are still sealed under orders from a federal judge. Plans were prepared Friday for anyone charged to be taken into custody as soon as Monday, the sources said.”

 

[barehl]

Trump is a control freak and we know that he is feeling the heat from the investigation. He's already had at least one phone call ranting at McConnell for not protecting him. If he feels that he can't shutdown the investigation he is going to start panicking. I think Republicans in DC should keep in mind what drowning men will do; Trump will do double that.

 

[barehl]

For perspective on this, Fox has already stated at least three times that the Russia investigation was over and that Trump had been cleared. So, today while everyone else is talking about the Mueller investigation and the Grand Jury vote for indictments, Hannity is talking about the Trump Dossier scandal and about Kevin Sorbo's new, Christian movie.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Trump is a control freak and we know that he is feeling the heat from the investigation. He's already had at least one phone call ranting at McConnell for not protecting him. If he feels that he can't shutdown the investigation he is going to start panicking. I think Republicans in DC should keep in mind what drowning men will do; Trump will do double that.

I think part of the last couple of days has been republicans making a case to fir/dismiss/pardon by trying to paint the process as tainted.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Do you understand the word "legislative"?

Gonna have to go with a firm “no”

 

[sunmaster14]

CNN is reporting the a Washington Grand Jury has returned the first indictments in the Mueller investigation.

I wonder who it is and what the charge is.

It's a squirrel, and the charge is "hey, look over there, not over here where the entire raison d'etre for my investigation has been shown to be nothing more than Clinton campaign propaganda."

 

[BobTheCoward]

It's a squirrel, and the charge is "hey, look over there, not over here where the entire raison d'etre for my investigation has been shown to be nothing more than Clinton campaign propaganda."

I am willing to bet that current constitutional law does permit criminal charges in cases where the initial lead was a lie by a third party.

 

[sunmaster14]

Do you understand the word "legislative"?

Why does the President need a legislative achievement? He can accomplish a great deal more in the short-term through his control of the administrative state (to the extent he can drain the swamp and get it under control). And he can accomplish a great deal more in the long-term through his control of nominations for the federal judiciary. Thanks to Harry Reid, Trump will end up getting more federal judges confirmed in his first year than any president in history. He is on track, over his first term, to completely erase the liberal shift in the judiciary that has accumulated since Ronald Reagan's presidency ended.

 

[NoahFence]

It's a squirrel, and the charge is "hey, look over there, not over here where the entire raison d'etre for my investigation has been shown to be nothing more than Clinton campaign propaganda."

At some point it's going to sink in that this is not a conservative vs liberal or republican vs democrat issue.

This is an American issue. If you still defend this guy, you're defending treason.

Why?

 

[sunmaster14]

I am willing to bet that current constitutional law does permit criminal charges in cases where the initial lead was a lie by a third party.

Well, that's a non sequitur, but I'll bet you $100 even odds that Mueller's investigation is ultimately ruled illegitimate by a federal court in any trial that comes out of the charges announced today (illegitimate in the sense that criminal charges will be tossed because of the 4th Amendment and/or the 14th Amendment's right to Due Process). Mueller should never have been appointed, even if there was thought to be probable cause for the allegations at the time, which prompted his appointment. As it turns out, there was never probable cause, and everybody should have known that. This is a classic case of "fruit of the poisoned tree."

 

[sunmaster14]

At some point it's going to sink in that this is not a conservative vs liberal or republican vs democrat issue.

This is an American issue. If you still defend this guy, you're defending treason.

Why?

Obviously, I'm a Russian mole. Can't you tell from my bad English?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Well, that's a non sequitur, but I'll bet you $100 even odds that Mueller's investigation is ultimately ruled illegitimate by a federal court in any trial that comes out of the charges announced today (illegitimate in the sense that criminal charges will be tossed because of the 4th Amendment and/or the 14th Amendment's right to Due Process). Mueller should never have been appointed, even if there was probable cause for the allegations prompting his appointment. As it turns out, there was never probable cause, and everybody should have known that. This is a classic case of "fruit of the poisoned tree."

Wow, isn't that a post from Lala Land. Who is going to make this ruling?

 

[BobTheCoward]

Why does the President need a legislative achievement? He can accomplish a great deal more in the short-term through his control of the administrative state (to the extent he can drain the swamp and get it under control). And he can accomplish a great deal more in the long-term through his control of nominations for the federal judiciary. Thanks to Harry Reid, Trump will end up getting more federal judges confirmed in his first year than any president in history. He is on track, over his first term, to completely erase the liberal shift in the judiciary that has accumulated since Ronald Reagan's presidency ended.

It matters because he said he would get these legislative achievements and he was the only man to do it.

I am disappointed in you. You said you backed Trump because it advanced your self interest. The fact you would you a cheap line of rhetoric such as "drain the swamp" is not becoming.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Well, that's a non sequitur, but I'll bet you $100 even odds that Mueller's investigation is ultimately ruled illegitimate by a federal court in any trial that comes out of the charges announced today (illegitimate in the sense that criminal charges will be tossed because of the 4th Amendment and/or the 14th Amendment's right to Due Process). Mueller should never have been appointed, even if there was thought to be probable cause for the allegations at the time, which prompted his appointment. As it turns out, there was never probable cause, and everybody should have known that. This is a classic case of "fruit of the poisoned tree."

I don't have my own money I am allowed to gamble with.

Also, there doesn't need to be probable cause. The only requirement for special counsel is that an investigation is warranted. The requirements for an investigation are substantially lower than.probable cause.

 

[dudalb]

I sorta of suspected something big was coming down on Russia from the massive deflection campaign we have been seeing from Trump and his puppets in the Congress about the Russian dossier.
Looks as though the stain of covering up treason is spreadin to the Congress.

"Treason never propers
What's the reason
If it prospers
None Dare Call It Treason'.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

One big problem for Trump:
if Manafort and Flynn are charged with withholding information on their security clearance, that makes others vulnerable, too, especially Kushner.
Mueller can pick the lowest-hanging fruit and escalate from there ...
until Trump feels forced to make a dramatic step to intervene.

 

[Stacko]

Clinton/Russia grand scheme:
- Have Russia hack into DNC Chairman's emails
- Release emails pretending they're pro-Trump
- Pay for opposition research
- Make dossier
- Not release dossier
- Say nothing
- Lose election
- Profit?​

Christ conservative conspiracy theories are dumb.

 

[dudalb]

I think it is clear that the Clinton campaign did pay for some negative research about Trump...but then paying for negative research has become SOP for every campaign nowdays.
They saw that the research was crap,and decided it would be self defeating to use it.
BTW what happened tonight indicates why this cropped up just now.