The only world that we live in, is the one that we perceive we live in. So, who or what are you, outside of what you believe? You can't even falsify the fact that you exist, let alone anything else. And when you're dead, it will be as if "you" -- that which is conscious and aware -- were never here. So you tell me, if you weren't just a figment of what you believed yourself to be. If so, then why should I listen to you ... as opposed to the parameters of my own inner-self? Don't you think we all should just learn how to listen to ourselves?
Don't you find bizarre though that the greatest Mythical Circles in Human History don't have a Myth about Science?
The world is how it is, regardless of how we perceive it.
I am who I am, regardless of what I believe.
How can you falsify a fsct? If it's a fact, then it's not false by definition, no?
The effects of my consciousness (small and petty as they are) will remain a while (like ripples on the the surface of a pond from a thrown stone). Sooner rather than later, they will be gone. So?
My misconceptions may be different from yours - couldn't you learn from my mistakes as well as your own?
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Well, what was the Star Wars saga all about then? Or, perhaps we're not speaking of one and the same? Or, maybe Science -- which, has displaced most of the age-old myths -- has yet to discover that it is?Don't you find bizarre though that the greatest Mythical Circles in Human History don't have a Myth about Science?
Iacchus, how does science work?
A humanist of your kind Iacchus, shouldn't have say that, not even as a joke.
Aha! Interesting question. I was having this discussion with some very well read people at the University. One of them claimed that we have in our hands only fragments of the myths that reflect the beginning of human consciousness ( Hi Merc!). Our discussion was about the myth of Orpheus.Or, perhaps we're not speaking of one and the same? Or, maybe Science -- which, has displaced most of the age-old myths -- has yet to discover it is?
Still,as far as I know there is no such a thing as the Myth of Science in any mythical circle.
This must put you into thoughts...
We have nothing to prove, but to ourselves. If we find Science a useful means of doing this, then so be it. However, we still can't accept anything outside of what we have accepted.
Actually, I'm not sure what you're getting at? Science is merely a tool, that "seems" to work well, within the mythical realm of the mind.
Well, in your opening post it's you that made a reference to the Myth of Science.
Are you saying it's not a myth? I'm saying that since Science is relatively new, that these older Mythical Circles -- or, whatever it is you're referring to here? -- which, predate Science, don't recognize it as such.
You are out of your league, Iacchus. Cleo is about 6 levels deeper than you on this. Cleo, I remember you started a thread on your conversations about myth and psychology. This was at the beginning of the time you were very busy with your trial and new business venture, so I must ask whether you ever checked for a response. I wanted to hear your reaction to it before I tried anything further.
Oh, and you (Iacchus) are conflating two different meanings of the word "myth".
Z
Variable Constant
As I understand it... a myth is simply a story or explanation which has been proven untrue - or which is widely understood to be untrue. As such, science is by no means a myth.
We have our minds, and we have our senses. Why you refuse to use them is a large part of the problem.
Beady
Philosopher
Er... Star Wars is not and never has been a myth (although the basic story was apparently stolen from the Japanese). It is, and will always be, a work of intentional fiction and a commercial franchise, whose ambient technology and society are based almost completely on fantasy and have virtually nothing to do with science.
While Lucas did get borrow a lot from Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress," he also was inspired by westerns and Flash Gordon style depression era serials.
Beady
Philosopher
Same difference, only more so. Not only is Star Wars not a myth, it's not original, either.
Well, what was the Star Wars saga all about then? Or, perhaps we're not speaking of one and the same? Or, maybe Science -- which, has displaced most of the age-old myths -- has yet to discover that it is?
Star Wars is not a myth, it is just a story, and in fact a fantasy story. It was also certainly not a story about "science" or that used "science" in the telling.
Star Wars can be seen as mythic, especially by those who follow Jungian archetypes as a form of mythology. We had a thread here some time ago in which the archetypes in Star Wars, Harry Potter, and many many other fictional stories were compared. Characters such as The Orphan Hero (Luke, Harry), The Plucky Heroine (Leia, Hermione), The Friendly Monster (Chewbacca, Hagrid), The Shadow (Darth Vader, Voldemort), The Wise Old Man (Obi-Wan, Dumbledore), The Faithful Friend (Han, Ron), and others are, according to Jung, mythological figures.
I wonder...Iacchus, could you give us your analysis of why you think science qualifies as a Myth? You might wish to check the dictionary first...
I wonder...Iacchus, could you give us your analysis of why you think science qualifies as a Myth? You might wish to check the dictionary first...
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You can't falsify facts by definition. Although I believe that someone has already said this in this thread.
If I am all that exists, then this doesn't matter, since all of existence will end when I die.
If other things besides me exist, then this is demonstrably false. Have you ever heard stories about someone who died before you were born? If you have, then it isn't like they "were never here", is it?
If you are all that exists, then my voice is part of the parameters of your inner self, and as such should be heeded just as much as you heed that voice which you "recognize" as your own. To do otherwise would be irrational.