Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

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I jusr saw this is a Washington Post comments section,in a discussion of Dubya and clearly states why I feel that making opposition to Trump a Partisan/Liberal vs Conservative issue is a huge mistake:

I remember arguing fiercely with my right wing co-workers everyday over Bush, because everything written in this opinion piece is true. But Bush was never a racist (just look at his track record regarding immigration and Muslims), and Bush always has respect for our democratic institutions and norms (just look at how he handles dissent and how he handled himself the last 8 years). I think that the Resistance should embrace Bush. The fight against Trump is much bigger than traditional liberal vs. conservative fight. It's about saving our democracy. Trump is a existential threat to our democracy and must be dealt with first. We need all the help we can get, even if we don't agree over abortion or tax. We can fight that fight later.
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I have no doubt I am going to get blasted by some people here who are hardline ideogues of the "All Republican/Conservatives are evil" school of thought, IMHO they are part of the problem, not the solution, and ,in power, would become a mirror ,Bizarro version of the GOP.
 
dudalb said:
I have no doubt I am going to get blasted by some people here who are hardline ideogues of the "All Republican/Conservatives are evil" school of thought, IMHO they are part of the problem, not the solution, and ,in power, would become a mirror ,Bizarro version of the GOP.
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Well, at least you'll have moderates on your side, but I warn you: there are few and far between nowadays, and getting rarer by the minute.
 
Another doctor (must be a liberal whackjob) thinks Trump has a personality disorder .

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-personality-disorder-doctor-ex-133912743.html

President Donald Trump has a personality disorder—but no one in the GOP base cares that muchk, said a former Republican Senator who is also a medical doctor.

Tom Coburn, a doctor who went on to serve Oklahoma in the House of Representatives and then the Senate from 1995 to 2015, called out Trump's mental stability in an interview published Wednesday.

“We have a leader who has a personality disorder,” Coburn told The New York Times, “but he’s done what he actually told the people he was going to do, and they’re not going to abandon him.
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Terrific low score! Best low score ever! Trump succeeded topping all other presidents for first year unpopularity! Trump shooting for 25% at Christmas time so he can become Grinch president!

President Trump’s approval rating has hit a new low in Fox News polling.

Trump now has a 38 percent job approval rating in the Fox News poll released Wednesday, down from 42 percent last month. And his disapproval rating has hit a new high, up four points to 57 percent.

Fifty-six percent of those polled among white men without a college degree, a core constituency among Trump's base, now say they approve of the president, a drop from 68 percent in September and 71 percent last November.

Trump also got low marks for his handling of health care, with 60 percent disapproving of his approach on the topic.

White House chief of staff John Kelly earned a higher approval rating than Trump, with 42 percent approving of his job performance.

Melania Trump’s favorability rating also took a hit, falling from 51 percent in June in the same poll to 45 percent now.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...com&utm_campaign=buffer#.WfEfTNn7NJk.facebook
 
Argumemnon said:
Well, at least you'll have moderates on your side, but I warn you: there are few and far between nowadays, and getting rarer by the minute.
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I disagree we are getting fewer, I just think we need to stop being so moderate and get more militant when it comes to politics.
FOr some reason moderate centrists seem less willing to fight for their beliefs then the militants. That has got to change if Democracy in America..and probably the world..is going to survive.
 
Tero said:
Terrific low score! Best low score ever! Trump succeeded topping all other presidents for first year unpopularity! Trump shooting for 25% at Christmas time so he can become Grinch president!


http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...com&utm_campaign=buffer#.WfEfTNn7NJk.facebook

White House chief of staff John Kelly earned a higher approval rating than Trump, with 42 percent approving of his job performance.
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I guess we know who's next on the chopping block. An underling more popular than he is? Completely unacceptable.
 
dudalb said:
I jusr saw this is a Washington Post comments section,in a discussion of Dubya and clearly states why I feel that making opposition to Trump a Partisan/Liberal vs Conservative issue is a huge mistake:



I have no doubt I am going to get blasted by some people here who are hardline ideogues of the "All Republican/Conservatives are evil" school of thought, IMHO they are part of the problem, not the solution, and ,in power, would become a mirror ,Bizarro version of the GOP.
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So we can just limit it to the Republicans/Conservatives who stand up for Trump and try to justify or excuse everything he does. They are certainly "part of the problem", don't you think?

Sadly, that doesn't seem to leave a lot of Republicans/Conservatives who are not part of the problem.

I have no beef with them. When I can find one.
 
dudalb said:
I disagree we are getting fewer, I just think we need to stop being so moderate and get more militant when it comes to politics.
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Well I think that politics is getting more polarized. By definition that means there are fewer moderates.

FOr some reason moderate centrists seem less willing to fight for their beliefs then the militants.
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Well that come with being moderate, actually. If you're more willing to compromise and see opposing points of view, you'll also be less willing to fight for your own.

That has got to change if Democracy in America..and probably the world..is going to survive.
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See above. I think a big change is inevitable.
 
The derail into the definitions of 'delusion', 'lie' and 'delusional lie' has been removed to AAH. I will recheck the posts moved there to see if a thread can be made from them on that subject, but don't count on it.

Please remain on topic, and take discussions of definitions to a new thread rather than derail existing ones.

ETA I have also removed a derail about the nature of skepticism. We have lots of threads more suited to that discussion.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Agatha
 
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dudalb said:
FOr some reason moderate centrists seem less willing to fight for their beliefs then the militants. That has got to change if Democracy in America..and probably the world..is going to survive.
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Probably because America is, in a practical day-to-day sense, somewhat moderate/centrist. That leaves centrists less inspired to go to the barricades ("What do we want?" "What we already have!" "When do we want it?" "We already have it")

I'd phrase it as: We desperately need to make sure that citizens understand the concept behind separation of power, that disagreement need not be disloyalty nor count as offensiveness.

The greatest threat to democracy in the USA is:

a) The closing down of cross-faction speech. Disagreement isn't seen as a result of different weighting of value judgements and appreciation of historical precedents but a sign that you are evil and that your heresy must be purged in the righteous fire of a twitter mob.
b) To paraphrase Decatur: "My faction, may she always be in the right, but my faction; right or wrong!". The combination of factionalism, with a decrease in the appreciation of the value of constitutional protections bodes ill in the long term.

(both of the above are very closely related)
 
dudalb said:
I have no doubt I am going to get blasted by some people here who are hardline ideogues of the "All Republican/Conservatives are evil" school of thought, IMHO they are part of the problem, not the solution, and ,in power, would become a mirror ,Bizarro version of the GOP.
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The only republican to mount a successful victory so far against Trump is Roy Moore. Clearly we need to get people like him in the resistance, we will lose all the gays he wants to kill but it is worth it or something.

Until most republicans start accepting things like that fact based news isn't fake how is any republican supposed to resist him and win in an election? That is why the only people who speak against him strongly, but still vote with him, are those who have no political future.

You want a stand against trump, stop rubber stamping all his nominees no matter how corrupt and unqualified.
 
Spindrift said:
I don't know, you're the one who said there were "disputes between trump and the republican party trump has solidly won up till this point."

Disputes is plural, was that incorrect?
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There were lots of disputes in the primary, they all caved. Look how many people he traded insults with in the primaries who are now broken subservient tools of him.
 
ponderingturtle said:
There were lots of disputes in the primary, they all caved. Look how many people he traded insults with in the primaries who are now broken subservient tools of him.
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What disputes between Trump and the Republican party were there?

And I said "besides the election" which does include the primaries but if that's all you've got please give examples.
 
Trump's opioid crisis emergency announcement, so fake, it's disgusting to listen to the man. How many times can you listen to yet another BS con before you just get sick and tired of hearing the man's voice?

:eusa_sick:
 
Spindrift said:
What disputes between Trump and the Republican party were there?

And I said "besides the election" which does include the primaries but if that's all you've got please give examples.
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His ridiculous choices for department heads? Who else to put in charge of the nuclear arsenal than someone who when nominated for the job didn't even know that was included?

What has the party won against him?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Trump's opioid crisis emergency announcement, so fake, it's disgusting to listen to the man. How many times can you listen to yet another BS con before you just get sick and tired of hearing the man's voice?

:eusa_sick:
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Was it normal bluster or do I have to brace myself for crazy?
 
BobTheCoward said:
Was it normal bluster or do I have to brace myself for crazy?
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It was a very special episode of Mr. Trump Destroys America where he tells us about his poor unfortunate brother Fred the alcoholic and how if we can just get people not to start taking opioids then we wouldn't have a problem. This episode was brought to you by Purdue Pharma, makers of Oxycontin.
 
Spindrift said:
It was a very special episode of Mr. Trump Destroys America where he tells us about his poor unfortunate brother Fred the alcoholic and how if we can just get people not to start taking opioids then we wouldn't have a problem. This episode was brought to you by Purdue Pharma, makers of Oxycontin.
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Does it talk about punishing the kids of alcoholics by cutting off health care to their sick children?
 
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