Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

[BobTheCoward]

These two things are fundamentally related.

Without his connection to the GOP his ratings would be in the toillet. That was my original point. It was in response to the idea of him forming his own party.

I don't think that an substantial number of his supporters as a GOP offering would follow him to a party of his own on the basis of their support for him as an individual.

Enough might to cripple the GOP, but not enough to make him a viable candidate in his own right.

His current ratings are lower than any other president at this stage in their term. His ratings are in the toilet. I understand the desire to want them lower, but it normally takes a significant news or economic event to push it lower.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Don't get Netflix. Can you provide a brief accouint?

Let me suggest IMDb or Wikipedia or Google for an overview of what’s in the movie.

Salient point: Roger Stone was pushing Trump to run for President well before that Correspondents Dinner. That’s not to say that might not have provided the final push.

 

[Stacko]

More delusional lies.

Trump said during an interview with Fox Business Network’s Lou Dobbs that some candidates in the upcoming Mexican elections were borrowing from his approach during the campaign during their own races.

“In fact, they wore a hat — a green hat that says ‘Make Mexico Great Again,’” Trump said. “They call them the Donald Trump of politics.*They have a couple of them, actually.”

However, Mexican media and politicians disputed Trump’s claims in the hours afterward.

Mexican newspaper “El Universal” said in a report Wednesday that “it is not known publicly that something similar is happening in the Mexican campaign.”

Univision anchor Enrique Acevedo also pushed back against the report.

“Not true. The only Make Mexico Great Again hats were made by the Trump campaign so staff could wear them during their visit to Mexico,” he tweeted Wednesday.*

 

[Hlafordlaes]

Let's give Trump his credit. The US under his leadership has made pocket-stuffing and public-stiffing a respectable high class sport again in many places where modernity had been creepily taking hold. A new kind of global leadership.

 

[quadraginta]

I don't know about that, he seems to be more liked by the GOP base than those he is feuding with. They like his name calling and other antics because he isn't some PC guy who bothers to be polite to his enemies. They also seem to have embraced the idea that most of the stories that look the most negative of him are fake, after all he invented the word fake.

As long as he is a member of the GOP.

Once he loses the blessings of that party he is going to lose most of that base.

 

[C_Felix]

So...apparently all of citizens of the US are getting a $4,000 raise?

 

[Hlafordlaes]

As long as he is a member of the GOP.

Once he loses the blessings of that party he is going to lose most of that base.

Boy, do I ever wish you were right. At this point, he could rename it the "Kiss the Golden Calf Party" and increase the evangelical vote, which, not surprisingly, has absolutely nothing to do with values, Christian or otherwise, and everything to do with "white."

 

[Belz...]

So...apparently all of citizens of the US are getting a $4,000 raise?

Eh?

 

[ponderingturtle]

As long as he is a member of the GOP.

Once he loses the blessings of that party he is going to lose most of that base.

Unless he is more in touch with the base than the party leaders. Exactly when in the primaries did he have the blessings of the party? In disputes between trump and the republican party trump has solidly won up till this point.

 

[Spindrift]

Unless he is more in touch with the base than the party leaders. Exactly when in the primaries did he have the blessings of the party? In disputes between trump and the republican party trump has solidly won up till this point.

Besides the election what has Trump solidly won against the party?

 

[abaddon]

Boy, do I ever wish you were right. At this point, he could rename it the "Kiss the Golden Calf Party" and increase the evangelical vote, which, not surprisingly, has absolutely nothing to do with values, Christian or otherwise, and everything to do with "white."

That is the kind of argument with which I would normally take high moral dudgeon. In this case, I cannot. Why? Trump.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

So...apparently all of citizens of the US are getting a $4,000 raise?

Or ... select few rich people are getting 4,000,000 raises and it averages out to 4,000 per citizen ...

 

[BobTheCoward]

Or ... select few rich people are getting 4,000,000 raises and it averages out to 4,000 per citizen ...

Even more silly, that is based on increased capital investment caused by lower corporate tax rates.

 

[Hlafordlaes]

That is the kind of argument with which I would normally take high moral dudgeon. In this case, I cannot. Why? Trump.

And his voters. Oh, those voters.

 

[pgwenthold]

So...apparently all of citizens of the US are getting a $4,000 raise?

OK, so why don't they pull a GWB and just send everyone a check for $4000?

Although I realize that not everyone actually got that $600 check from GWB, like the people who didn't make enough money to pay $3000 in taxes.

But that would be the way to put their money where their mouth is. Send everyone a $4000 check.

They do that, and I will acknowledge that we all benefit from the tax cut. I might think it is misguided, but at least I can say everyone gets that $4000.

 

[Spindrift]

OK, so why don't they pull a GWB and just send everyone a check for $4000?

Although I realize that not everyone actually got that $600 check from GWB, like the people who didn't make enough money to pay $3000 in taxes.

But that would be the way to put their money where their mouth is. Send everyone a $4000 check.

They do that, and I will acknowledge that we all benefit from the tax cut. I might think it is misguided, but at least I can say everyone gets that $4000.

That's funny. Of course, the GOP doesn't want to give the middle class anything, that would take money away from corporations.

The Dems can start filming their "Where's my $4000?" ads for the mid-term elections now.

 

[BobTheCoward]

OK, so why don't they pull a GWB and just send everyone a check for $4000?

Although I realize that not everyone actually got that $600 check from GWB, like the people who didn't make enough money to pay $3000 in taxes.

But that would be the way to put their money where their mouth is. Send everyone a $4000 check.

They do that, and I will acknowledge that we all benefit from the tax cut. I might think it is misguided, but at least I can say everyone gets that $4000.

Why should they do that when they say raise and not checks?

 

[pgwenthold]

That's funny. Of course, the GOP doesn't want to give the middle class anything, that would take money away from corporations.

The Dems can start filming their "Where's my $4000?" ads for the mid-term elections now.

I'm thinking of this now, how you could nail them to the wall on it.

Q:Why not just do what Bush did and send the tax cut afterward and send everyone a check for $4000?
A: Well, that $4000 is actually over 4 years.
Q: Oh, so it's a $1000 a year?
A: Yes, that is correct.
Q: OK, so send everyone a check for $1000.
A: The $1000 is an average, so obviously not everyone will get that much.
Q: So you are saying that some will get more and some will get less?
A: That is correct.
Q: How many do you estimate will be getting $1000 or more?
A: What?
Q: You have said that some will be getting more than $1000 a year, and some less. I am just wondering, how many do you estimate will be getting $1000 or more?
A: I don't have those numbers with me.....
Q: Well I do. According to [this source], 10% of Americans will get a tax cut of $1000 or more.
A: I don't know if that source is correct.
Q: So you have an alternative estimate?
[edit bickering over the quality of that estimate]
A: I would say, yeah, I think the number who would get a tax cut of $1000 or more is less than 20%, based on my recollection of what I've seen. But everyone is getting a tax cut.
Q: Fine. One last question: you keep asking what we would do with $4000, but you know that less than 20% of Americans would get that much. So how can you talk about the average tax cut when you know it does not apply to 80% of Americans?

 

[BobTheCoward]

The 4,000 is not from their taxes being cut.

 

[abaddon]

And his voters. Oh, those voters.

I am unsure of the correct terminology, since all of my contacts in the US are professionals, but they tell me that those are referred to as "trailer trash" and there are lots of them. Is that true? I don't know.