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"Source" in that post refers to the AP's source for the recording they published.

Well then we are back to you ignoring the evidence that we've seen this picture a million times in the medical community. But you are going with the non-medical expertise that the CTers love.

I'll just repeat what I know, I've seen this at least a dozen or more times, sick building syndrome, multiple chemical sensitivities, new carpet fumes, everyone in the ED has a weird rash (they didn't), there are many tells like I said earlier.

The biggest tells:
No one has the same symptoms
Some nebulous rash, a scratchy throat and headaches dominate the complaints
One cannot find a correlating exposure
And not always but not an unusual finding, people are mad at some supervisor or employer action​
 
Well then we are back to you ignoring the evidence that we've seen this picture a million times in the medical community. But you are going with the non-medical expertise that the CTers love.

1. How does that follow from the particular post you quoted, and

2. Whose non-medical expertise have I "gone with"?

I'll just repeat what I know, I've seen this at least a dozen or more times, sick building syndrome, multiple chemical sensitivities, new carpet fumes, everyone in the ED has a weird rash (they didn't), there are many tells like I said earlier.

The biggest tells: No one has the same symptoms

Dishonest description. It's been reported that many of the complainers reported different symptoms, but you don't have enough information to justify reframing that as if there are absolutely no similar symptoms between any two alleged victims.

Some nebulous rash, a scratchy throat and headaches dominate the complaints
One cannot find a correlating exposure

I don't remember hearing much if anything about any rashes or scratchy throats "dominating" the complaints. I've heard headaches and hearing symptoms were the "big ones", with all the various extraneous minor symptoms on top.

And not always but not an unusual finding, people are mad at some supervisor or employer action

Context? First I'm aware that any of the so-called victims were mad at their boss.
 
And therein lies part of the problem I'm trying to bring attention to, which is this fixation on a "sonic attack". The earliest reports revealing physical symptoms like brain injury were already pointing out that sound could not have been responsible for those injuries. While it was reported that government investigators initially considered a sonic weapon because of the number of "victims" positively heard sounds when they began developing symptoms, it was also reported that other supposed victims did not hear sounds.
And when you hear the descriptions from those who claim that they heard sounds, they may not even have heard actual sounds: Auditory examples – sounds of tinnitus. This is why I think that it was a mistake to simply take the alleged recording of the alleged sonic attack, have one of the persons listen to it and answer the question: Is this the sound you heard? This procedure can be compared to a police lineup – without the lineup: Is this the guy you saw?! (And if you’re ever confronted with a proper lineup after that, you already know what the guy that you’re supposed to recognize looks like – mainly because you saw him at the first mock lineup …

So from a big-picture standpoint it would seem that, if something is going on here at all, …
Something is definitely going on!
… sound could easily just be one component - and not necessarily a primary or particularly damaging one at that. If one takes time to actually read the earliest articles and those with new information to impart this impression isn't hard to come by at all - but it seems as if a lot of people, including some of this thread, would prefer to instead focus on "ZOMG sonic attack!" and insist that some kind of physically impossible BattleStarTrekWars science-fiction sound-weapon-device is central to the entire issue because that makes it easier to laugh at.
Yes, instead of isolating the alleged victims from each other to prevent them from coordinating their stories – in order to find out if there is reason to assume that any kind of attack actually took place.
Based on the reports that we have been able to read so far, I think that there is ample reason to believe that the whole thing is a combination of:
1) Something happens to somebody, e.g. one or two lose their hearing, start suffering from tinnitus, which may not only happen quite suddenly, but also sound approximately like AP’s recording, i.e.: “People who experience tinnitus describe hearing different and sometimes variably changing and intertwining sounds like ringing, hissing, roaring, crickets, screeching, sirens, whooshing, static, pulsing, ocean waves, buzzing, clicking, dial tones and even music.” And in some people, it may happen quite suddenly and at a very young age.
2) These guys are on enemy territory. They may be spies or they may be trying to stir up resentment against the government so they fear discovery and maybe even retaliation. (I don't think that good old-fashioned bad conscience about what they’re doing would have anything to do with it; this is not The Tell-Tale Heart.)
3) Their colleagues hear about this and begin to suspect that every little anomaly (whether real or imagined as in the case of the “tingling” felt by the American tourist from Charlottesville, and whether consistent with the symptoms described by others or not) is a symptom of something debilitating brought upon them by the enemy.
4) And since these ideas are taken seriously by not only their union but also by their employer, it soon escalates.

It remains to be seen if the recordings are actual recordings of something actually affecting the afflicted persons, or if they were created in order to give credence to the symptoms described by some of the first ‘victims’.
But we may not for sure until Wikileaks publishes the relevant reports.
 
Just gonna stick with my story that this is complete BS.

Last week I forgot to take my meds one day. I wasn't sure so I checked and saw that indeed I'd forgotten. I started feeling "weird" almost immediately after that realization.

It was all in my head just like this is for these people.

People walking in and out of sounds? And not just high pitched weird ones but very loud blasts of sound. Ya. No. Conspiracy theory written all over it.
 
And when you hear the descriptions from those who claim that they heard sounds, they may not even have heard actual sounds: Auditory examples – sounds of tinnitus. This is why I think that it was a mistake to simply take the alleged recording of the alleged sonic attack, have one of the persons listen to it and answer the question: Is this the sound you heard?

The AP article said they had asked several of the victims, did it not?

It's an irreducible possibility that the AP hoaxed the recordings or their circumstances. But assuming they did not, and they received them from some source they had no reason to suspect had hoaxed them, how could they not then take them to some of the alleged victims who purported to hear sounds and ask them if they recognized it? It seems like a fairly standard way to vet such a thing. The AP may have had no especial reason to consider the possibility of tinnitus if none of the alleged victims had ultimately been diagnosed with it during their treatment.
 
The AP article said they had asked several of the victims, did it not?

It's an irreducible possibility that the AP hoaxed the recordings or their circumstances. But assuming they did not, and they received them from some source they had no reason to suspect had hoaxed them, how could they not then take them to some of the alleged victims who purported to hear sounds and ask them if they recognized it? It seems like a fairly standard way to vet such a thing. The AP may have had no especial reason to consider the possibility of tinnitus if none of the alleged victims had ultimately been diagnosed with it during their treatment.

You're putting a lot of stock into recordings that don't really amount to credible evidence.
 
'Science fiction': Cuban officials dismiss claims of sonic attack on US diplomats
Guardian article HERE.

While Cuba denounced the expulsions as “unjustified” and accused the United States of insufficient cooperation, three interior ministry officials and a doctor heading the inquiry provided more details in an interview in Havana.

Cuba had deployed about 2,000 security officials and experts, from criminologists to audiologists and mathematicians, to investigate the incidents after it became aware of them in February, the investigators said.

The investigation has not ended but so far has failed to uncover any evidence to corroborate allegations of attacks that the United States says have caused hearing loss, dizziness, fatigue and cognitive issues for diplomatic personnel who were based on the communist-run island.

“This is slander by the United States,” said Col Ramiro Ramírez, responsible for the security of diplomats in Cuba.

Interesting to note that Cuba received 14 recordings, made by victims. They dont say how they were all done but gave the example of recordings made by cellphone. They determined there was nothing that could damage human health in any of them.
 
The AP article said they had asked several of the victims, did it not?
Maybe, but that's not the point. If you are seriously trying to find out if that was the sound they heard (or 'heard'), you should have presented them with several recordings, only one of which was the (alleged) actual recording. That was the point of my lineup analogy.

The AP may have had no especial reason to consider the possibility of tinnitus if none of the alleged victims had ultimately been diagnosed with it during their treatment.


I don't know what they have been diagnosed with or if they have received any treatment at all, but this seems to be a very good reason to suspect tinnitus:
An audible sound would need to be very loud – above 80 decibels or akin to a plane’s engine – to have a health impact, they said. Yet only the victims heard the noise, not their families living in the same houses, or their neighbors.
“We interviewed more than 300 people in the neighborhood, we also evaluated more than 30 medically, and no one heard these things,” Alazo said.
(From the recent article in Guardian that Sherkeu linked to)
 
'Science fiction': Cuban officials dismiss claims of sonic attack on US diplomats
Guardian article HERE.

Interesting to note that Cuba received 14 recordings, made by victims. They dont say how they were all done but gave the example of recordings made by cellphone. They determined there was nothing that could damage human health in any of them.


Also interesting that the Trump Administration withdraws a large part of the diplomatic staff in Havana, and yet:
Investigators said US actions did not add up with their accusations. More than 200 friends and relatives of diplomats based in Havana had asked for visas to visit them between February and July, despite the alleged attacks.
 
Merely not dismissing them out-of-hand, as some are quite adamant about doing.

The recording I've heard is the audio equivalent of a grainy, zoomed in picture of a speck in the sky, which might be a flying saucer but might be a plane, a bird or a flaw on the negative.

Someone made a recording. This is what it sounds like with the volume turned up. Okay, but a useful question might be is that what all their recordings sound like if you turn the volume up?
 
Interesting to note that Cuba received 14 recordings, made by victims. They dont say how they were all done but gave the example of recordings made by cellphone. They determined there was nothing that could damage human health in any of them.

It just occurred to me: Are the microphones of cellphones able to pick up sounds beyond the range of ordinary human hearing? I mean, the cameras aren't able to photograph the 'colors' ultraviolet or infrared and the screens can't display them anyway, so what would be the point?
 
Cuban investigators say U.S. sonic attack allegations 'science fiction' (Reuters, Oct. 25, 2017 - the article from Reuters was published by the Guardian, see above)

Florida officials travel to Cuba despite attacks that sickened U.S. diplomats (local.10.com, Oct. 18, 2017)

Cuban scientists deny sonic attacks (China Daily, Oct. 27, 2017)

Cuba's investigation finds no evidence of 'sonic attacks' against US diplomats (CGTN.com, Oct. 27, 2017)

“US authorities have said the responsibility lies with Cuba to investigate the affair and decide on the case but has failed to play their part as the affected country,” Lieutenant-Colonel Francisco Estrada, a senior Cuban Interior Ministry official, said on Thursday. “We don’t even have access to the victims or the witnesses.”
Cuba: US not cooperating in probe of harmed diplomats (presstv.com, Oct. 27, 2017) I just love the comments section of this one!!! :)
 
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The recording I've heard is the audio equivalent of a grainy, zoomed in picture of a speck in the sky, which might be a flying saucer but might be a plane, a bird or a flaw on the negative.

Someone made a recording. This is what it sounds like with the volume turned up. Okay, but a useful question might be is that what all their recordings sound like if you turn the volume up?

The AP claimed in its report that it had been given multiple different recordings, which it analyzed, and they noticed this particular set of tones was present in several of them. So they isolated and made a clip out of just this sound, which is what they released.

IOW, the sound on the AP's video is already de-noised and filtered.
 
It just occurred to me: Are the microphones of cellphones able to pick up sounds beyond the range of ordinary human hearing?

I highly doubt it. I tend to have trouble with the notion of infrasound having health effects on humans anyway; but leaving my own opinion aside - if there were infrasonic sounds occurring I highly doubt cell phone mics would've recorded them.
 
The AP claimed in its report that it had been given multiple different recordings, which it analyzed, and they noticed this particular set of tones was present in several of them. So they isolated and made a clip out of just this sound, which is what they released.

IOW, the sound on the AP's video is already de-noised and filtered.

They said the recording had been "digitally enhanced to increase volume and reduce background noise".

If you're considering a recording of a mysterious sound and don't know what it's supposed to sound like, how do you know what "background noise" to reduce? Maybe the background noise they're referring to is identifiable sounds in the room or traffic noise outside. You could remove that by just selecting a clip where things are quietest.
 
The investigators said the United States had supplied 14 recordings of the sound it says the victims heard during the attacks and recorded, for example, on cellphones.
These, however, did not contain anything that could damage human health, they concluded. The noises included the usual suburban sounds such as traffic, footsteps and voices.
They were also characterized by a deviation peak of 7 kiloHertz (kHz) in the frequency band of 3 kHz, similar to the song of a cricket.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ack-allegations-science-fiction-idUSKBN1CU02M

Now, what I would really like to know is: What would it look like if you “de-noised and filtered” (Checkmite) a recording of crickets?!
Out of the obvious 50-240 Hz AC hum/noise background parasitizing the recording device (I've a lot of it on my own records :(), what's curious is around the 7000 Hz peak. I'll focus on it if you're interested.

Let's take a look at the symptoms: "Some felt vibrations, and heard sounds — loud ringing or a high-pitch chirping similar to crickets or cicadas."
When I'm in Cuba and hear chirping similar to crickets or cicadas, I usually suspect them to be caused by … crickets or cicadas - unless I've been to a salsa or rumba concert the night before and forgot to bring ear plugs.

In my opinion we have found the true culprit, the bad guy who's behind the sinister super-sonic attacks!
 
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The rest is sil...
Sorry, what I meant to say was:
The rest is a few guys with tinnitus, mass hysteria and old-fashioned Miami revanchism!
 

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