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The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 26

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Yep, my bad, wrong lawbook :o

The point is that a "Diffamazione" charge in Italy can only be brought forward by the offended party filing a "Querela", the deadline for filing a querela is "three months from the time the offended becomes aware that he/she is offended"...

Where does that leave us when it comes to "Waiting to Be Heard"?

Anyone wanting to file a claim of being defamed by it now, would have to convince the judges that he or she has been living under a rock or has been in a coma or something like that and therefore having no knowledge about the book, to successfully beat the entry clause of Art. 124 C.P.
As I wrote, that ship has sailed...:p

Is there an issue of when the alleged defamatory material is made "officially" available in Italy? Maybe I am wrong about that?
 
Is there an issue of when the alleged defamatory material is made "officially" available in Italy? Maybe I am wrong about that?

I don't think so, Raffaele Sollecito's book "Honor Bound" being published in the English language in the US apparently wasn't a roadblock for "Dr Mignini" to file a lawsuit... my two cents (Euro).
 
Does anyone know if the number of Knox/Sollecito related lawsuits brought against parties related to the defendants, bloggers, and other media personnel are an anomaly or is this pretty much par for the course in Italy?
 
Defamation in Italy:

"Articles 594 and 595 of the Italian Penal Code state defamation can be a civil or criminal offense. If the latter, it is punishable by imprisonment ranging between six months and three years.

....Article 595 of the 1930 Penal Code of Italy was drawn up at a time when freedom of expression was not seen as a right. {Italy was a fascist dictatorship at the relevant time.} The original aim of all criminal defamation laws then was to make criticism against monarchs a criminal offence and to silence dissent....

In contrast to U.S., Italian courts protect the nation’s public figures, national organizations and institutions. They’re also not afraid to sentence journalists to prison. Italian courts believe statements that are overly critical about public figures can be viewed as defamatory because they have the potential to undermine public confidence. By way of illustration, the Italian Court have indicted Amanda Knox’s parents for defamation for alleging in a 2008 newspaper interview that Italian police abused Amanda and was allegedly subjected to physical and verbal abuse during a police interrogation in 2007...."

Source: http://kellywarnerlaw.com/italy-defamation-laws/
 
I quoted media way back in July which mentioned the parties were negotiating a settlement.

Hence, the confirmation today, that it appears to have been settled.

The thing about settlements, is that they usually contain 'gagging clauses', which means both parties agree not to discuss it further, nor even to state that a settlement exists.

The pro-guilt PR campaign substitutes appearances for in situ news pieces.
 
'The fact does not exist' is the standard wording on a case being dismissed AIUI.

Nope. AK was acquitted for "the fact does not exist" concerning the slander case brought against her. From the Boninsegna MR:

Visto 1' art. 530 cpp,
assolve Knox Amailda Marie dal reato attribuitole al capo
a), perché i fatti non sussistono, e dal reato attribuitole al capo b),
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perché i fatti non sussistono e perché il fatto non costituisce reato,
quaiito alle accuse rivolte al dr. Giiiliaiio Migiiini.
Motivazioiie iii iiovanta gionii.
Firenze. 141 1 I20 1 6

Pursuant to article 530 of the Italian Code of Criminal Procedure,
acquits Knox Amanda Marie for the charge under letter a), because the facts do not exist, and for the charge under letter b), because the facts do not exist and because the act does not constitute an offense, as regards the accusations addressed to Dr. Giuliano Mignini.

il fatto non sussiste/i fatti non sussistono

English translation: (there is) no case to answer/charge to file
 
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Yep, my bad, wrong lawbook :o

The point is that a "Diffamazione" charge in Italy can only be brought forward by the offended party filing a "Querela", the deadline for filing a querela is "three months from the time the offended becomes aware that he/she is offended"...

Where does that leave us when it comes to "Waiting to Be Heard"?

Anyone wanting to file a claim of being defamed by it now, would have to convince the judges that he or she has been living under a rock or has been in a coma or something like that and therefore having no knowledge about the book, to successfully beat the entry clause of Art. 124 C.P.
As I wrote, that ship has sailed...:p


The correct adage is, 'your/my ship is coming in'.

Perhaps you mean 'the horse has bolted'?
 
Yep, my bad, wrong lawbook :o

The point is that a "Diffamazione" charge in Italy can only be brought forward by the offended party filing a "Querela", the deadline for filing a querela is "three months from the time the offended becomes aware that he/she is offended"...

Where does that leave us when it comes to "Waiting to Be Heard"?

Anyone wanting to file a claim of being defamed by it now, would have to convince the judges that he or she has been living under a rock or has been in a coma or something like that and therefore having no knowledge about the book, to successfully beat the entry clause of Art. 124 C.P.
As I wrote, that ship has sailed...:p
The correct adage is, 'your/my ship is coming in'.

Perhaps you mean 'the horse has bolted'?

Nope, that ship has sailed..., definitely ;)
 
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For those interested, the following source gives a brief review of the ECHR position on defamation law:

Source: https://fulbrightyearitaly.com/2015...nder-the-european-convention-on-human-rights/

Excerpt:

The ECHR has issued several rulings applying the proportionality principle to defamation in general and criminal defamation specifically.

First, the Court has held that enhanced penalties for defaming politicians {and other public officials} are not proportional even if the state can prove that they closely adhere to the interest of protecting the subject’s reputation. The Convention protects harsh criticism leveled at politicians because “freedom of political debate is at the very core of the concept of a democratic society which prevails throughout the Convention,” the Court wrote.

More specifically, “The limits of acceptable criticism are accordingly wider as regards a politician as such than as regards a private individual” because the politician “inevitably and knowingly lays himself open to close scrutiny of his every word and deed by both journalists at the public at large,” the Court wrote. The politician must therefore “display a greater degree of tolerance” of criticism.

Second, courts must accept the “good faith defense,” meaning that defamation laws cannot punish journalists who have sufficient reason to believe a particular piece of information was true at press time. This reflects a very pragmatic understanding of the media business, namely that news is a “perishable commodity” and that delaying publication even for a short period “may well deprive it of all its value and interest.”

For criminal defamation, the “good faith defense” is even stronger: criminal defamation statutes cannot punish journalists {or other persons} who believed the information they published was true. In other words, penal code provisions should only apply to intentional defamation; all other forms should be civil crimes.
The court has also never held that a jail sentence was proportionate to the crime of defamation, even in the case of intentional defamation. Jail sentences “endanger the very core of the freedom of expression and function as censorship for the entire media, hampering the press in its role of watchdog,” according to one scholar.
 
TJMK is reporting that Sollecito and Gumbel have been forced to issue an 'apology' (= in the publishing world this means 'pay damages' and issue a written statement in correction of the erroneous matter).

There's your problem right there. BTW, this did not address the point that no in situ reporting is saying what TJMK is saying.

Why do you think that might be? Hint: TJMK is bogus.
 
For those interested, the following source gives a brief review of the ECHR position on defamation law:

Source: https://fulbrightyearitaly.com/2015...nder-the-european-convention-on-human-rights/

Excerpt:

The ECHR has issued several rulings applying the proportionality principle to defamation in general and criminal defamation specifically.

First, the Court has held that enhanced penalties for defaming politicians {and other public officials} are not proportional even if the state can prove that they closely adhere to the interest of protecting the subject’s reputation. The Convention protects harsh criticism leveled at politicians because “freedom of political debate is at the very core of the concept of a democratic society which prevails throughout the Convention,” the Court wrote.

More specifically, “The limits of acceptable criticism are accordingly wider as regards a politician as such than as regards a private individual” because the politician “inevitably and knowingly lays himself open to close scrutiny of his every word and deed by both journalists at the public at large,” the Court wrote. The politician must therefore “display a greater degree of tolerance” of criticism.

Second, courts must accept the “good faith defense,” meaning that defamation laws cannot punish journalists who have sufficient reason to believe a particular piece of information was true at press time. This reflects a very pragmatic understanding of the media business, namely that news is a “perishable commodity” and that delaying publication even for a short period “may well deprive it of all its value and interest.”

For criminal defamation, the “good faith defense” is even stronger: criminal defamation statutes cannot punish journalists {or other persons} who believed the information they published was true. In other words, penal code provisions should only apply to intentional defamation; all other forms should be civil crimes.
The court has also never held that a jail sentence was proportionate to the crime of defamation, even in the case of intentional defamation. Jail sentences “endanger the very core of the freedom of expression and function as censorship for the entire media, hampering the press in its role of watchdog,” according to one scholar.

In Sollecito's case, it was hardly 'good faith'.

The aim was to subvert the course of justice.
 
TJMK is reporting that Sollecito and Gumbel have been forced to issue an 'apology' (= in the publishing world this means 'pay damages' and issue a written statement in correction of the erroneous matter).

Citation? I'd like to see this "report' as I just looked at TJMK Front page and they say only this:

Breaking news. In statement publishable in due course Sollecito & Gumbel admit that passages in "Honor Bound" claiming Dr Mignini was pressing RS to sell out Amanda Knox were in fact lies. Prosecution in Florence court stated aggravated defamation was definitely committed, but Dr Mignini is said to be satisfied and drops criminal lawsuit (his choice, no acquittal). Augers bad for serial defamer Knox and publishers of both books.

Also, what source does TJMK provide for any of this? None that I can see.
 
Nope. AK was acquitted for "the fact does not exist" concerning the slander case brought against her. From the Boninsegna MR:





il fatto non sussiste/i fatti non sussistono

English translation: (there is) no case to answer/charge to file

The words "fatto/fatti" translate to "fact/facts" and to "act/acts".

"il fatto non sussiste/i fatti non sussistono" can be translated as "the act did not occur/the acts did not occur" meaning the act(s) of a crime were not committed.

For example, someone is charged with a murder, but the defense establishes through evidence that the alleged victim died from natural causes, would fall under this specification.

In the case of Amanda Knox's trial for calunnia against the police and Mignini, the specification "il fatto non sussiste/i fatti non sussistono" applied because the judge concluded that she believed that she was being coerced; there was no evidence from the prosecution to contradict that conclusion. Thus, there was none of the intent to commit calunnia; intent is a required element of the crime.
 
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TJMK really sticks in your craw, eh?

Nice dodge. In fact it does not. It simply invents things and has since this case was first covered by it.

Amongst other things Peter Quennell's PR campaign left the impression that Miss Represented was a psychological expert competent to make psychiatric evaluations. He's now "reporting" stuff that that is pure invention. He once said he had 100s of lawyers working on this case in Italy.

Now that you mention it: yes, overt lying does stick in my craw!
 
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TJMK is reporting that Sollecito and Gumbel have been forced to issue an 'apology' (= in the publishing world this means 'pay damages' and issue a written statement in correction of the erroneous matter).

You quote the word "apology" but I can't find it in the box heading. Am I looking for it in the wrong place? I am sure that is the meaning they would like us to infer by the words "statement publishable" "admit" and "lies", but I am mildly surprised the Italian media make no references to Sollecito having to pay damages. As a casual reader I would have inferred that they were aquitted of defaming the police and that Mignini has dropped the law suit. I suppose we might find out if RS and AG have to withdraw one or two points made in the book.
 
Citation? I'd like to see this "report' as I just looked at TJMK Front page and they say only this:

".... In statement publishable in due course Sollecito & Gumbel admit that passages in "Honor Bound" claiming Dr Mignini was pressing RS to sell out Amanda Knox were in fact lies. ...."

Also, what source does TJMK provide for any of this? None that I can see.

"In due course" = no sooner than when the sun becomes a white dwarf.
 
The words "fatto/fatti" translate to "fact/facts" and to "act/acts".

"il fatto non sussiste/i fatti non sussistono" can be translated as "the act did not occur/the acts did not occur" meaning the act(s) of a crime were not committed.

For example, someone is charged with a murder, but the defense establishes through evidence that the alleged victim died from natural causes, would fall under this specification.

In the case of Amanda Knox's trial for calunnia against the police and Mignini, the specification "il fatto non sussiste/i fatti non sussistono" applied because the judge concluded that she believed that she was being coerced; there was no evidence from the prosecution to contradict that conclusion. Thus, there was none of the intent to commit calunnia; intent is a required element of the crime.

Yes, I understand. My post is in regards to Vixen's theory that the case was settled out of court and therefore summarily dismissed instead of the judge making a ruling of acquittal.
 
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